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In the world of venture capital, where the conversations often focus on either the mega funds or these mega unicorn companies, there's a huge piece to the equation that's missing: The limited partners in the allocators that provide a lot of the capital to this ecosystem. They give money to the venture capital funds who then invest into the founders who then return that company upward. Marcos Fernandes provides a little bit of visibility to this ecosystem. www.lpuncovered.com

Episodes

  1. 5d ago

    Jessie Guo - Next Legacy

    Jessie Guo had no connections at Legacy Venture when she decided to reach out. She had just moved to the United States, finished her MBA at UC Davis, and knew exactly the kind of work she wanted to do. So she wrote a cold email to Russ Hall, the co-founder of Legacy Venture, introduced herself, and waited. He responded the same day. That exchange, now 12 years ago, set in motion a career that sits at an unusual intersection: rigorous venture capital investing in service of large-scale charitable giving. Every investor in Next Legacy Partners’ flagship fund-of-funds has committed to donating 100 percent of their distributions to nonprofit causes of their choosing. The firm picks the best venture managers it can find, generates real returns, and those returns go directly to charity. The total amount distributed to date has crossed three billion dollars. Jessie is an investment partner at Next Legacy, the firm formed when Legacy Venture merged with Next Play Capital in 2023. She spoke with Marcos Hernandez, host of LP Uncovered, about how the firm thinks about portfolio construction, what she looks for in emerging managers, and why she believes the best GP relationships are built long before a term sheet is signed. Enjoying LP Uncovered? Subscribe, it’s Free! From Beijing to the Bay Area Jessie began her career in Beijing, not in investment banking, though that was the original plan. As a finance major in 2008, she assumed her path would lead to a traditional banking role at CICC, China’s largest investment bank. Once inside, though, she found the standard banking work less interesting than a newer initiative taking shape within the firm. CICC was building a wealth management business, and a small team was tasked with exploring whether it could offer fund-of-funds products to high-net-worth clients. The timing was significant. In 2007, China had officially legalized the limited partnership structure, which had previously existed in a murky, informal state. Once the law was in place, venture capital funds began forming rapidly across the country. “Back then, seventy percent of the LP base in China were individuals. I remember thinking, wow, all these individuals who are interested in venture funds, how can they select all these VC funds?” Jessie became one of four people who helped CICC launch what became a fund-of-funds business. They started in an advisory capacity, helping wealthy clients evaluate and access venture managers, then built out an internal business plan for a dedicated vehicle. This experience proved to be an early lesson in manager selection at scale, and it shaped how she thinks about the job today. In 2012, Jessie left Beijing for California, where her husband had taken a postdoctoral position at Stanford. She drew a 100-mile circle around the university, applied to programs within it, and landed at UC Davis, which sits exactly 100 miles from Stanford. Unlike many of her classmates who used the MBA to change direction, Jessie had no interest in pivoting. “I feel like I was lucky enough to find my career aspiration and passion in LP. I knew when I came to the US that I was not looking for a pivot.” After graduating, she searched for organizations doing the kind of work she cared about. Legacy Venture, with its model of philanthropic investors channeling venture returns to charity, stood out. She sent Russ a cold email. He wrote back the same day. Twelve years later, she’s still there. The Merger and the Mission Next Legacy was formed when Legacy Venture and Next Play Capital merged in 2023. The two firms had known each other for over a decade before that, and the idea of combining began taking shape during the pandemic, when both teams started asking whether there was a more structural way to work together. Legacy Venture, founded in 1999, had spent two decades helping philanthropists and nonprofits invest in early-stage venture. Next Play Capital was built around a community of athletes, cultural luminaries, and sports industry leaders who wanted access to the same asset class. Both firms were impact-oriented in their own way, and that shared positioning made the eventual combination feel natural. “Both prior firms are very mission-driven. Even though if you look at the room of the investors, they can be very different, but very mission-driven and value-aligned.” The firm deliberately avoided putting the words “venture” or “capital” in the new name. Next Legacy Partners was chosen to signal that the community came first. Today, that community includes philanthropists, nonprofit organizations, professional athletes, and changemakers. They’re connected through a shared interest in early-stage technology, and a common purpose of giving back. Marcos noted during the conversation that very few firms in the allocator space actually follow through on the philanthropic commitments they describe on their websites, pointing to a figure he had seen of over two billion dollars in total distributions. Jessie updated the number. “We just crossed over three billion dollars.” How the Portfolio Is Built Next Legacy invests exclusively in venture capital, which means Jessie does not have to navigate across asset classes or shift allocations based on the macro environment. The entire portfolio is early-stage technology, and within that, the firm divides its exposure across three types of managers. Roughly one-quarter of the capital goes to what Jessie calls platform venture firms: large, multi-stage managers with broad market coverage whose portfolios include companies like Anthropic, SpaceX, and OpenAI. These funds are not cheap to access, and the question of whether a billion-dollar fund can still return venture-scale multiples is one the industry debates constantly. Jessie says it’s possible. “Certain investments and deals, if you actually bet on the right company, the return profile can still look pretty attractive even at the billion-dollar fund size. It’s a hard math problem, for sure. But we’ve also seen our billion-dollar fund size managers, if they are really the top ones, can still continue to perform well.” A second portion of the portfolio goes to what she calls classic venture firms: focused, early-stage managers with long track records in specific domains like enterprise infrastructure, fintech, or consumer technology. These are not generalists chasing every trend. They have a defined area of expertise, and founders in those sectors tend to seek them out specifically. The third bucket is emerging managers. Next Legacy runs a dedicated emerging manager fund-of-funds for funds in their first, second, or third cycles. Initial commitments here typically range from one million to five million dollars, with the expectation that successful managers graduate over time into the flagship fund, where the firm can write commitments of 15 million to 20 million dollars or more. For emerging managers, Jessie says the ones she finds most compelling have built a genuine community around themselves, whether that is a tight network of technical operators, or a following built through consistent, substantive thought leadership. “They are taking a very community-driven approach. They craft a very trusted community around themselves. That can help them to identify and get into the next generation of AI applications at a very early stage.” What Do Good GP Relationships Actually Look Like? Jessie is direct about what she finds frustrating from managers on the fundraising trail. With AI tools making it easy to automate outreach and generate templated follow-ups, she sees a growing gap between volume and quality in how GPs communicate with LPs. A growth-stage manager sending quarterly updates to a seed-focused, venture-only LP is not staying in touch. It is creating noise. “If the LP talked about being venture-only and early-stage focused, it doesn’t make sense for growth-stage managers to continue to give monthly or quarterly updates.” What she values instead is genuine curiosity about why Next Legacy does what it does. The conversations that have stuck with her over the years are not the ones about fund size or portfolio count. They are the ones where a manager took the time to understand the firm’s mission and asked about it seriously. “I really appreciate genuine curiosity from GP managers who want to understand why we are doing this. What matters for the long term when we are really discussing not just the fund investment, but the partnership that lasts over a decade or decades.” In the end, Jessie’s advice is straightforward: listen during meetings, track what you learn, and let it shape every conversation that follows. Orientation toward long-term partnership, built through events, co-investments, and community rather than quarterly updates, is ultimately what drives everything at Next Legacy. The returns fund the giving. The community sustains the returns. And for Jessie, the work continues to be exactly what she hoped it would be when she sent that first cold email 12 years ago: a career she actually cares about. More from Uncovered Media Thanks for reading LP Uncovered! 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    51 min
  2. Mar 4

    Courtney McCrea - Recast Capital

    In this Episode Courtney McCrea spent more than a decade watching the behemoths of venture capital grow too large for their own good. As fund sizes ballooned and general partners grew wealthier, she noticed a persistent paradox: returns were becoming increasingly muted. In 2019, Courtney saw the signal in the noise. The true alpha no longer resided with the multi-billion-dollar “asset gatherers,” but with the hungry, scrappy, and often overlooked emerging managers. As a co-founder and managing partner of Recast Capital, Courtney has shifted from being a traditional allocator to a “New Builder” in the asset management space. Her firm operates with a dual-track mission: a fund of funds that backs top-performing emerging managers and a productized support system designed to institutionalize the next generation of venture talent. For Courtney, the goal isn’t just to write checks—it’s to build an ecosystem where diversity of thought and experience drives superior returns. Enjoying LP Uncovered? Subscribe, it’s Free! Precision Over Scale: Redefining True Venture Returns Courtney distinguishes between two very different businesses currently operating under the “venture” umbrella. On one side are the large aggregators, firms like Andreessen Horowitz or Sequoia, which she describes as competitors to Blackstone or TPG (large asset managers). These firms prioritize stability and the ability to absorb $500 million checks from massive institutional LPs. However, with that scale comes a shift in the risk-return profile. When a firm manages $28 billion, a 1.8x return is a success; for Courtney, that isn’t venture capital. True venture returns are generated by firms that stay “right-sized.” Courtney focuses on managers who maintain the discipline to invest at the early stages where 10x or fund-returning outcomes are still possible. By backing these smaller, specialized funds, Recast provides institutional investors with a diversified pipeline to the blue-chip firms of tomorrow. Courtney argues that the market saturation at the top has created a vacuum of opportunity for specialist managers who possess the specific “founder-market fit” required to navigate sectors like artificial intelligence. Systemic Resilience: Productizing the Playbook The traditional LP/GP relationship is often transactional and siloed, but Courtney and her co-founder, Sarah, sought to break that mold by productizing the LP experience. Through their “Accelerate” program, Recast has supported 156 managers, offering a 12-month cohort-based curriculum that covers everything from fund formation to executive coaching. This framework recognizes that being an emerging manager is an inherently lonely endeavor, and that a cohesive community can serve as a powerful risk mitigation tool. By providing services like AI-driven operational audits and liquidity solutions, Courtney is helping managers build firms, not just funds. This “skin in the game” approach goes beyond capital; it involves a year-long engagement with a manager’s fundraising and development process. Courtney believes that by professionalizing the operations of these emerging firms, Recast effectively de-risks the asset class for other institutional allocators who might otherwise be wary of the “first-time fund” label. “If you have a tiger by the tail and you are a seed-stage investor, and that company is now a fund-returning position for you—lock that in. Get your invested capital off the table and play with house money.” The Human Algorithm: Betting on the Decision Maker When Courtney evaluates a potential manager, she isn’t just looking at a track record; she is looking for a “good community actor.” In the long-term marriage of an LP/GP relationship, alignment of character is as critical as alignment of interest. Courtney utilizes an “off-the-books” vetting process, tapping into a network of over 150 managers to gauge how a GP interacts with their peers. The “hidden signal” she seeks is a manager who lifts up others—someone who is active, engaged, and participatory. This human-centric lens extends to how managers pitch. Courtney often finds that emerging GPs spend too much time defending their thesis and not enough time emphasizing their unique qualifications. She looks for “GP-fund fit”—the specific life experiences, networks, and points of view that make a person the only one who should be making a specific set of decisions. In a market where anyone can write a check, Courtney bets on the decision-makers who have the discipline to be succinct, the patience to allow their wins to be absorbed, and the humility to sell when the valuation outpaces the reality. The Future Outlook As the venture landscape enters a new era of liquidity constraints and AI-driven disruption, Courtney remains focused on the fundamental math of the asset class. While the secondary market has matured into a viable path for mid-market companies to provide DPI, she maintains that venture capital cannot be timed. The “New Builders” who remain in the market through these cycles—those who focus on quality over voice and precision over scale—are the ones who will define the next decade of performance. Courtney’s work at Recast ensures that when the next financial cycle peaks, it will be the right-sized, diverse, and operationally sound managers who are standing at the top. More from Uncovered Media Thanks for reading LP Uncovered! Subscribe for free to receive new posts and support our work. This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit www.lpuncovered.com

    47 min
  3. Feb 16

    Octavio Sandoval - Illumen Capital

    In this Episode Octavio Sandoval is not interested in the charity of venture capital; he is interested in its inefficiencies. As a principal at Oakland-based Illumen Capital, Octavio is helping lead a charge to prove that bias in asset management is not merely a social failure—it is a data blind spot that leaves alpha on the table. Octavio’s trajectory from a founding student at a KIPP charter school in the South Bronx to the halls of Choate Rosemary Hall, Cornell University, and MIT Sloan provides him with a vantage point few institutional allocators possess. After years in capital markets and private wealth, Octavio realized that his CFA charter was better utilized uncovering overlooked value than simply compounding existing wealth. At Illumen, he oversees a strategy that combines a fund-of-funds model with a surgical direct co-investment arm, all underpinned by a proprietary bias-reduction curriculum. Enjoying LP Uncovered? Subscribe, it’s Free! The Alpha of the Blind Spot The venture capital market remains stubbornly exclusive, but Octavio views this through the lens of market friction. Illumen’s primary thesis is that inherent biases cloud investment decisions, leading to a misallocation of capital. By requiring portfolio GPs to undergo a bias-reduction curriculum, Illumen essentially installs a psychological patch for the venture industry’s operating system. Since Octavio joined in 2021, Illumen’s assets under management have tripled, growing from approximately $88 million to nearly $300 million. This scaling serves as a quantitative validation of the firm’s “Bias Alpha” thesis. In a tightening liquidity environment, institutional allocators are increasingly looking for managers who have a proprietary edge in sourcing; Illumen’s edge is the ability to see what the rest of the market is conditioned to ignore. The Logic of Network Underwriting While Illumen began as a pure fund-of-funds, it has evolved into a multi-vertical powerhouse through its co-investment strategy. Octavio leverages the deep underwriting of his portfolio GPs to identify high-potential founders, particularly women and underrepresented leaders who receive less than 2 percent of all venture capital. “We read every quarterly investor report and attend every annual general meeting,” Octavio says. The strategy is built on signal detection: when a trusted seed-stage fund takes its full pro rata in a Series A round priced by a strong external lead, it creates a de-risked entry point for Illumen. This “network underwriting” allows the firm to deploy capital with the speed of a direct investor while maintaining the diversified safety of an institutional allocator. “There is an old adage: When you ask for money, you get advice, and when you ask for advice, you get money. The best time to build a relationship with an LP is when you are not actively raising. It demonstrates coachability and allows the LP to feel invested in your journey long before a check is signed.” The GP Unit Economic In Octavio’s framework, the most critical metric for an emerging manager is not just a track record; it is the GP commitment. He views “skin in the game” as the venture equivalent of unit economics. For Octavio, a manager’s willingness to commit their own net worth to a fund is the ultimate signal of alignment and resilience. While the firm remains empathetic to managers from non-traditional backgrounds who may lack personal wealth, they utilize creative structures like management fee offsets to ensure that the “marriage” between LP and GP is built on a foundation of shared risk. It is a philosophy that prioritizes “scrappy DNA” over pedigree, looking for managers who have a history of overcoming the odds—a qualitative metric Octavio knows intimately from his own upbringing. The 15-Year Marriage As venture capital shifts away from the “grow at all costs” mentality of 2021, Octavio is looking for builders who understand that this is a relationship business, not a transactional one. He views the LP/GP bond as a 10- to 15-year marriage that requires radical transparency; what he calls “the good, the bad, and the ugly.” For the next class of builders, Octavio’s approach serves as a blueprint for the future of institutional investing: a blend of rigorous quantitative signals and a deep, intuitive understanding of human resilience. By focusing on sustainable unit economics and the “fight” of the investment thesis, Octavio is not just uncovering new founders, he’s re-architecting how the industry values them. More from Uncovered Media Thanks for reading LP Uncovered! Subscribe for free to receive new posts and support our work. This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit www.lpuncovered.com

    49 min
  4. 11/24/2025

    Regina Green - Catalyze

    In This Episode Regina Green shares her journey from her upbringing in Georgia to her extensive career at Goldman Sachs, where she navigated through various roles during tumultuous market conditions. She discusses the origins of Catalyze, a platform aimed at supporting underrepresented fund managers through their Fund Fellowship and the launch of GP Runway Fund, which provides non-dilutive capital to help them build sustainable firms. Regina emphasizes the importance of understanding the unique challenges faced by emerging managers and offers valuable insights for those looking to succeed in the finance industry. Thank you for reading LP Uncovered! Subscribe for free to receive new posts and support our work. Key Quotes “My parents also instilled the value of education as the one thing no one can take away from you.” “I now operate with the assumption that the person across the table sees the world differently, and I’m curious to learn what I can from them.” “Lead with what makes you different. The thing that will win an LP over is your unique story and the thing that differentiates you from the pack. Lean into that.” “I wanted to find a way to connect my passion for finance to something with a deeper purpose.” About Catalyze Founded in 2022, Catalyze is a national platform providing Capital Entrepreneurs — underrepresented and innovative investors – with the capital, capacity building, and community they need to build enduring firms. The company launched GP Runway Fund to provide flexible working capital loans to firms raising funds 1-3.Catalyze offers firm-building support through its Fund Fellowship program, Capital Solutions to bridge financing gaps for GPs, and Investment Consulting Services for LPs backing the next generation of investment firms. They partner with Capital Entrepreneurs and Allocators across private markets to improve the flow of capital to overlooked businesses. Who is Regina Green, and what shaped your early life and career? A lot of my life’s context is built around this idea of being just a little bit different. I grew up in the suburbs of Atlanta, but my parents weren’t southerners. My dad is from Brooklyn, New York, and my mom is from a tiny town in Southern Illinois also coincidentally, named Brooklyn. They were also a bit older than was typical for parents in the 80s, having been born in the 40s and 50s. They grew up in a very different cultural and legal world than I did. For example, my dad was recruited to IBM through a partnership with the National Urban League right after the Civil Rights Act passed. This history definitely informs how I think about diversity and inclusion today. Both my parents worked at IBM for most of their careers, for 30 and 40 years, respectively. This idea of longevity at one institution was normal for me. When people are shocked I spent 17 years at Goldman Sachs, my reaction is, “I barely made it half as long as my parents!” Between my parents’ backgrounds, their large families (my dad was one of nine, my mom one of seven), and me being an only child, I learned from a young age that people see the world through very different lenses. I hope this shaped a deep sense of curiosity and empathy. I now operate with the assumption that the person across the table sees the world differently, and I’m curious to learn what I can from them. This is vital in my work, where I’m evaluating potential fund managers. You’re investing in a “blind pool,” so you have to understand how their lived experience and unique perspective informs their investment thesis. My parents also instilled the value of education as the one thing no one can take away from you. I ended up getting a scholarship to NYU, which wasn’t a long-held dream, but a last-minute decision. I think moving to New York without any preconceived notions helped me assimilate really well. I majored in Math and Economics, interned at Goldman Sachs, and fell in love with macroeconomics. I started full-time in 2007 in sales and trading, which was a chaotic time to join Wall Street. My first couple of years were insane: watching competitors cease to exist was stressful, but it was also an incredible learning opportunity. It “leveled the playing field” because everyone, even senior folks, was coming in asking, “What’s the Fed going to do today?” After that role shrank due to market changes, I moved to the Conflicts Resolution Group for 10 years. Our team was the traffic cop, reviewing every significant investment or advisory assignment to ensure the firm avoided conflicts of interest or reputational risk. It was a unique, high-level seat where I got to learn about every single business line at the bank. You built your adult life in New York instead of returning South. What kept you there? It’s true, a lot of my friends have moved back home. I always say New York is where I learned how to be an adult. You quickly learn you can only buy as many groceries as you can physically carry home! But I love that it’s a surprisingly communal city. When you’re walking everywhere, taking public transportation, and spending time in places like Central Park, you feel a real sense of community. That feeling was amplified during COVID, seeing the city band together. I’ve built deep roots here, including a strong church community. You need that sense of community, or the stress and energy of New York will overwhelm you. It’s also a place with unparalleled access to theater, entertainment, and, most importantly, a diversity of industries and perspectives. You can always pivot or learn something new here. Plus, it’s a place people love to visit, and with three major airports, it’s easy to get anywhere. What compelled you to pivot to Launch with GS during the 2020 pandemic? In early 2020, I was the COO for the interest rate trading business. My job became figuring out how to keep our trading desk resilient during a global pandemic. It was one of the hardest seasons of my career, trying to solve an unprecedented problem: How does a trading floor, which relies on people yelling across the room, operate from home? Once we settled into a remote-work steady state, I was watching the news, overwhelmed by the fact that people who looked like me were serving as essential workers, risking their lives, while I was safe at home. It caused a lot of reflection. I love finance, but I felt the industry wasn’t serving people as broadly as it could. So many of my friends hate talking about it. I wanted to find a way to connect my passion for finance to something with a deeper purpose. As I was exploring the venture and growth equity world, an internal role at Goldman’s Launch with GS initiative opened up. They had been focused on gender equity and were expanding to include founders and fund managers of color. In the interview, they told me, “This is a new thing. Nobody knows how to do it. We’re going to figure it out together.“ It wasn’t just an investing role; it was a chance to build an ecosystem and infrastructure from scratch. Goldman didn’t really have an emerging manager practice, so my job was to be a bridge between the bank’s massive platform and this new ecosystem we were trying to support. It appealed to the creative problem-solver in me. What led you from Goldman to joining Catalyze? At Goldman, we successfully executed on the firm’s $1 billion commitment over five years, and then the program was concluded. From everything I had learned, I knew the ecosystem still desperately needed support, particularly for emerging fund managers. You can’t just decide to back diverse managers if you don’t also have an intentional way to incorporate new managers. It’s not like there’s a huge pool of underrepresented managers who have somehow already built institutional-quality firms while being underfunded. That infrastructure needs to be built, and that’s the gap I saw. I wanted to work with an organization tackling this challenge. Why is it so much harder to underwrite an emerging manager versus an established firm? Institutional allocators (like pension funds or banks) focus heavily on a repeatable track record. A first-time fund, by definition, doesn’t have that data. But it goes beyond that. Allocators also have a fiduciary duty, so they need to see that you have the professional controls, processes, and service providers in place to handle their money. They’re asking, “Are my funds going into the right accounts? Are you complying with all regulations?” All of that operational infrastructure—legal, compliance, fund administration—costs a lot of money and requires a meaningful team, which new managers just don’t have on day one. How did you connect with the Catalyze team, and how are you helping emerging managers scale? Historically, new venture managers would start with small “friends and family” funds, then raise from high-net-worth individuals, then family offices, and then finally graduate to institutions. That process, while slow, is important because it gives the manager time to learn and build their systems. In 2020, many institutions wanted to short-circuit that process to improve representation, but they either struggled to find satisfactory managers or were trying to invest without all of the typical infrastructure being in place. Catalyze was founded to provide that operational support and technical assistance. We’re not here to teach someone how to be a great investor; we’re here to bridge the information gap. We help talented managers avoid costly mistakes and build the firm infrastructure that institutional LPs (Limited Partners) actually care about. I got connected to the Catalyze team (Maegan and Brendan) through two separate mutual friends around the same time. I joined as a consultant to help build out a new product, the GP Runway Fund. We built it to solve the “chicken and the egg” problem: You need firm infras

    49 min
  5. 11/24/2025

    Sabrina Bainbridge - Spring Point Partners

    In this Episode You’ll learn about Sabrina’s personal journey from a STEM background to impact investing, a path shaped by her experiences in Teach for America and at Oxford. She details her core philosophy that economic systems must be fixed to allow communities to thrive and that those with lived experience are best equipped to solve complex problems. You’ll get an inside look at Spring Point Partners’ “whole toolkit” approach, which combines grants and flexible, risk-tolerant investments to advance social justice, and learn how the firm navigates the tension between social impact and financial returns. Finally, she shares her candid perspective on AI, noting her concerns about its effect on startup defensibility and the mentorship pipeline, and provides actionable advice for General Partners on managing long LP timelines. Thank you for reading LP Uncovered! Subscribe for free to receive new posts and support our work. Key Quotes “Talent is distributed evenly, but opportunity is not.” “People who have the lived experience are going to be the best people to solve that problem.” “I think I always understood at an innate level the power that financial access, inclusion, or education really provides.” “Your impact should match your return profile.” “I like to operate with the idea that honesty is kindness.” About Spring Point Partners Spring Point Partners is a social impact organization based in Philadelphia dedicated to fostering community-driven change and advancing social justice. The firm takes a collaborative approach by investing in transformative leaders and solutions, using grant-making, impact investing, and organizational development to support its partners. Guided by a commitment to equity, Spring Point focuses on key areas including leadership, economic justice, youth development, and animal welfare. What led you to the intersection of “doing good” and impact investing? I grew up in Oklahoma City, and I think that really shaped my worldview. Oklahoma’s economy is pretty one-note; it’s really focused on one major industry, which is energy, oil and gas. That has a lot of pros and cons for the state; it’s kind of a boom-and-bust economy. When I went to undergrad at Oklahoma State, I was a STEM major. I always actually thought I was going to be in STEM, but through that degree program, I started to notice all these trends about my home state around the lack of educational access, in particular for people of color and for women in STEM fields. I became really passionate about “How do we shift this? How do we fix this? How do we get more representation in science and in industries that I think are going to be really high-paying jobs in the future?” That led me to TFA (Teach for America) and then long-term into business school and the work that I do now. At the end of the day, money is a power and a tool. How do we better leverage and flow these capital systems to make sure that we’re maximizing value for the most people? What did your time with Teach for America (TFA) teach you? I taught high school science; biology, chemistry, and physics. Teach for America really opened my eyes in a lot of ways, both to the difficulties and complexities of education, but also to the fact that this is a system that fundamentally needs a lot of shifts and changes. As a 22-year-old with a lot of hubris, I thought: “If we have better access to education, we can fix so many things.” I still firmly believe that, but I quickly realized that we need to fix economic systems around our communities if we really want students to survive and thrive. In terms of professional skill sets, I gained so many. High schoolers are wonderful, really harsh people. Being heckled for years by 16-year-olds in front of them every single day really gives you a lot of confidence to get up on the stage or to do podcast interviews, knowing that it’s going to be a slightly friendlier audience. I also learned so much about stakeholder engagement and how to meet people where they are. With our work at Spring Point, we sit at the intersection of so many different tables. We’re meeting with GPs, we’re meeting with other LPs, we’re meeting with folks who maybe have an impact mandate, and people who couldn’t care less but want to see outsized returns. I learned a lot about adaptability and how to tailor messages through that work. What gave you the vision that long-term sustainability is also about the economics behind it? I think it actually started a lot earlier than even my TFA experience. My mom has been in commercial banking my entire life, and she was a really big role model for me. I grew up in a very finance-forward household. I didn’t realize that it was abnormal that I had a fake checkbook that I was balancing while growing up. I think I always understood at an innate level the power that financial access, inclusion, or education really provides. I started to look at economic opportunities, economic growth, and economic mobility. I quickly realized that money needs to be different. When I take off the impact lenses, the way money flows is capital-inefficient. That creates instability in our economy; we see booms and busts constantly happening. Are there ways that we can create better systems and processes to make financial markets a little bit more stable? When I left educational work, I questioned what my role was: “What is authentic for me?” At the same time, I was consulting with a lot of educational and tech startups and I realized I like startups, “there’s some interesting stuff happening here.” That led me to the path of business school. How did getting your MBA at Oxford shape your trajectory, and where did you land afterward? I chose that program specifically and intentionally. I wanted to go abroad. I had spent the majority of my life in the middle of the country. I wanted to expand my worldview and I wanted to understand global systems and global markets. Oxford was a great program for that, and they also had an interesting investment program for career pivoters like myself. It was fantastic. There’s a difference when you go to grad school and you’re actively taking yourself away from earning a salary. I said to myself: “Okay, we need to maximize the return on this investment.” For the Oxford MBA, you sit in the Saïd Business School, but you get access to the broader Oxford University. Oxford and Cambridge are set up like Harry Potter, where you have your program but then you have your college or your house. I was sitting at dinner with people who are researching subatomic particles and, as a science nerd, I was really excited to get to have those conversations. We had people from 64 countries in my program, so I gained a global perspective that challenged my worldview in a productive and healthy way. That led me to post-MBA. I ended up working at Plan International. I had a dual mandate. I was setting up an in-depth pilot in Kenya where we were running an accelerator and incubator and doing direct venture-style investing. Then I also acted as an international consultant across the federation. We had an endowment we were setting up in Europe, a debt bond facility in India, and we were doing direct social entrepreneurship work in Southeast Asia as well as Latin America. It was an interesting experience to get to try different financial tools in different geographies. Was there any pattern recognition from working across those different regions? The biggest takeaway I had is that people who have the lived experience are going to be the best people to solve that problem. If you’re an entrepreneur and you have experienced that pain point, you’re going to have the grit and the tenacity as well as the actual experience to be able to solve that problem. It is so hard to launch a company, so when I see founders or GPs that are “bandwagoning” onto something they know is an industry trend, my assumption is they’re not going to have the grit or the tenacity, and honestly, the insights to do it best. They’re not going to hit product-market fit quickly enough. I think that rings true in any geography that I’ve worked in, and I definitely see it here in the United States, especially as we’re seeing this proliferation of new technology as AI hits. How did that global footprint shift into your current work at Spring Point Partners? It’s been an absolute joy. Spring Point has been set up for flexibility, learning, and to develop systems and structures in order for markets to survive and flourish. It’s been the privilege of my career to work with so many thoughtful, wonderful, amazing people, both on our direct side and on our fund manager side. Everything seems so linear and perfect, but I also want to flag for people who are maybe going through career switches that there are a lot of vulnerable moments that go into that. When you’re on the other side, you see: “I went to business school and I’ve got the job I always wanted to have.” But there were a lot of nights at home where you question: “Can I do this? Am I good enough? Do I have the right skill sets?” I don’t know if there’s a perfect script other than continuously believing in and betting on yourself. You have to do the hard work. Don’t shy away from it. For example: I needed to learn accounting. Continue to bet on yourself, figure out what your strengths are, figure out what your deficits are, and continue to grind. Tell us more about Spring Point Partners Spring Point was founded in 2017. We’re a Philadelphia-based social justice organization. We do grants and investments. We have a really robust grants side of the house and that sits alongside and complements our investment strategy. Our core mandate is around economic justice and creating future growth markets that are more stable and altering perceived risk. We have a lot of tools at our disposal to do that. What I

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In the world of venture capital, where the conversations often focus on either the mega funds or these mega unicorn companies, there's a huge piece to the equation that's missing: The limited partners in the allocators that provide a lot of the capital to this ecosystem. They give money to the venture capital funds who then invest into the founders who then return that company upward. Marcos Fernandes provides a little bit of visibility to this ecosystem. www.lpuncovered.com