Beers and SEO with Barry and Steve

Steven Wilson-Beales, Barry Adams
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Barry Adams and Steven Wilson-Beales - two guys that have been at the forefront of digital publishing over the last 20 years, sit down and have a beer! Discussing the latest SEO news, audience growth, Google, AI visibility (and their favourite tipple) - this is your chance to hear an alternative take on the latest publishing trends. Expect some of the biggest audience specialists in news publishing - with so much misinformation around, it's time for an honest conversation. What is the future of publishing? How is AI affecting brand visibility? What are the best paywall strategies? Why is original journalism more important than ever before? If you have a question for Barry & Steve you can reach out via me@stevenwilsonbeales.com - don't be shy :)

Episodes

  1. 6d ago

    Should Publishers Block Google’s AI From Using Their Content?

    In this episode, Steve and Barry discuss the latest developments in AI search, Google's updates, and how publishers can adapt to the evolving landscape. They explore strategies for managing brand presence in AI overviews, the impact of Google's guidance on content creation, and practical steps for publishers to protect their content and reputation. key topics AI search landscape and recent updates Google's guidance on generative AI content and effort Managing brand presence in AI overviews Publisher options for opting out of AI summaries Implications of Google's updates for news publishers Strategies for maintaining visibility and traffic Understanding analytics and traffic data in AI context Preparing for potential Google core updates Balancing AI and traditional search results Building unique, high-quality content for long-term success 00:00 Introduction and Beer Talk 02:53 AI Overviews and Branded Searches 05:48 Google's Guidance on AI Content 11:50 Potential Core Update and Its Implications 17:47 AI Mode and Publisher Considerations 26:32 Understanding Business Decisions in AI Contexts 27:59 Navigating AI Access and Visibility 30:10 The Unique Challenges for Publishers 32:11 The Importance of Original Content 35:30 Measuring Dependency on Google 37:21 The Dangers of Misinterpreting Data 40:39 Building Direct Relationships with Audiences 42:29 Long-Term Value Over Short-Term Gains -------------------- Resources: https://www.publishingstrategies.co.uk/p/your-ai-reputation-is-being-built-offsite Connect with Barry & Steve SEO Summit 2026 - https://newsseo.io Barry's Consultancy service: https://www.polemicdigital.com/ Steve's Consultancy service: https://www.stevenwilsonbeales.com/

    Should Publishers Block Google’s AI From Using Their Content?

  2. Aug 4

    Why Your Competitor Research Is Completely Wrong

    In this episode, Barry and Steve explore the latest developments in Google Search Console, AI content generation, and competitor research, emphasising the importance of human insight and strategic thinking in digital marketing. Key topics - Google Search Console updates and features - AI-generated content and its impact on SEO - Social media visibility in Google Search - Competitor research strategies - The role of human insight in digital marketing Takeaways - Google now allows social media accounts to be added to Search Console, providing new visibility metrics. - AI tools can enhance content creation but should be used thoughtfully to avoid mediocrity. - Content with merit should be engaged with regardless of whether it is AI-generated or human-created. - Search Console data is indicative and should be used as a trend tool, not an exact measure. - Competitor research is most effective when combined with a deep understanding of your own product and strategic goals. Chapters 00:00 Introduction and Beer Talk 02:09 Announcements on AI Slop Functionality in Social Platforms 05:21 The Nuances of AI Content and Platform Flagging 08:30 The Creative and Strategic Value of Human Writing 12:00 Google Search Console's New Social Media Insights 14:01 Why Google Is Expanding Its Web Presence Data 17:29 The Impact of Google Search Console on Creators 20:49 AI Visibility Data in Search Console 24:15 Using Data to Inform Content Strategy 28:01 Google Search Profiles and Future Trends 31:51 Understanding Google's Data and Its Limitations 34:06 The Value of Competitor Research and Strategic Insights 37:24 Experience Your Competitors' Websites Firsthand 40:07 The Role of Risk-Taking and Innovation in SEO 43:24 The Limitations of Keyword Gap Analysis 44:58 The Importance of Human Judgment in SEO Strategy 45:50 Closing Remarks and Final Thoughts -------------------- Resources: https://www.publishingstrategies.co.uk/p/competitor-research-starts-with-your-own-product Connect with Barry & Steve SEO Summit 2026 - https://newsseo.io Barry's Consultancy service: https://www.polemicdigital.com/ Steve's Consultancy service: https://www.stevenwilsonbeales.com/

    Why Your Competitor Research Is Completely Wrong

  3. Jun 23

    Google is building an Audience Loyalty ecosystem

    In this episode, Steve and Barry Adams discuss Google's new audience loyalty ecosystem, the impact of AI on search and publisher traffic, and practical strategies for publishers to adapt to the evolving digital landscape. - Google's new audience loyalty features (preferred sources, follow, subscription linking) - Impact of AI on search traffic and publisher visibility - Strategies for publishers to build and retain loyal audiences - Prompt tracking and AI visibility challenges and opportunities - The importance of quality content and user experience in a changing landscape 00:00 Introduction to the Podcast and Topics 02:58 Google's New Publisher Engagement Strategies 06:00 The Impact of AI on Traffic and Content 09:11 Optimizing User Experience and Conversion Rates 12:10 Insights from the Glide Event 15:09 SEO's Role in Audience Engagement 17:54 The Future of Content and Publisher Strategies 22:58 The Impact of Zero-Click Searches 26:02 Google's Dominance in Traffic Generation 28:56 Trust in Information Sources 36:03 Navigating Prompt Tracking in AI 48:10 The Future of News and Editorial SEO Resources https://www.seoforgooglenews.com/p/google-audience-loyalty-ecosystem https://www.publishingstrategies.co.uk/p/ai-visibility-and-prompt-tracking -------------------- Connect with Barry & Steve SEO Summit 2026 - https://newsseo.io Barry's Consultancy service: https://www.polemicdigital.com/ Steve's Consultancy service: https://www.stevenwilsonbeales.com/

    Google is building an Audience Loyalty ecosystem

  4. May 21

    How to Grow a Podcast: Product, People and Promotion

    Join Barry and Steve on Beers and SEO as they discuss essential podcast tips for growing your audience. This episode provides valuable insights into podcast marketing and how to podcast effectively, covering strategies for both new and experienced creators. Learn how to grow a podcast and implement strong seo for podcasts to expand your reach and engagement. key topics Podcast SEO strategies and platform optimization Audience engagement and metrics analysis Content focus and niche monetization takeaways Understanding platform-specific SEO (Apple, Spotify) is crucial for visibility. Audience retention and engagement metrics are more valuable than downloads alone. Niche podcasts can be highly profitable with targeted advertising. Chapters 00:00 Introduction to Podcast SEO 02:14 Understanding Podcast Optimization 11:35 The Role of Video in Podcasting 16:10 Key Metrics for Podcast Success 22:45 Influencer Impact on Podcasting 25:45 Exploring Paywalls in Podcasting 28:09 Monetization Strategies for Podcasts 33:11 Favorite Podcasts and Their Impact Resources https://www.publishingstrategies.co.uk/p/podcast-seo -------------------- Connect with Barry & Steve SEO Summit 2026 - https://newsseo.io Barry's Consultancy service: https://www.polemicdigital.com/ Steve's Consultancy service: https://www.stevenwilsonbeales.com/

    How to Grow a Podcast: Product, People and Promotion

  5. Apr 21

    The Truth About AI Crawlers and Publisher Content

    On this month's pod we cover the impact of AI on news and publishers and focus on SEO strategies, AI crawling, and protecting content.We'll also share insights on optimising for AI, handling AI bots, and industry collaboration. With the various algorithmic updates and AI policy changes there's a lot to catch up on, so let's dive in! Key topics: - AI impact on news and publishers - SEO strategies for AI search - AI crawling and bot behavior - Content protection and regulation - Industry collaboration and regulation Chapters 00:00 Introduction to AI in News and Publishing 03:04 The Impact of Google's Core Updates 06:01 Back Button Hijacking and User Experience 10:05 AI Overview Accuracy and User Trust 17:12 AI Crawlers and Bots: Challenges for Publishers 30:09 Navigating AI Optimisation Strategies 31:53 The Value of AI Training Data 33:13 Challenges in AI Visibility for Brands 34:31 The Limitations of Prompt Tracking 35:47 The Importance of Collective Action in Publishing 37:41 Understanding the Low Value Exchange for Publishers 39:49 Optimising for AI Visibility in Direct Sales 41:32 The Dilemma of AI-Generated Content for Publishers 43:14 Technical SEO Strategies for AI Visibility 44:35 The Role of Semantic HTML and Structured Data 46:41 Chunking and Writing for AI vs. Humans 50:30 Crawlability and Internal Linking Strategies 53:20 Meta Tags and Open Graph Optimisation 54:12 The Future of LLMs and Markdown 57:11 Final Thoughts and Future Directions Resources AIO accuracies https://www.nytimes.com/2026/04/07/technology/google-ai-overviews-accuracy.html https://algorythmic.co/opinions/my-response-to-googles-response-to-the-nyt-ai-overview-story/ Denmark's strategy to front run Europe on Big Tech deals: https://podcasts.apple.com/au/podcast/denmarks-strategy-to-front-run-europe-on-big-tech-deals/id1800563534?i=1000745426241 3rd party scrapers selling to AI companies: https://www.linkedin.com/feed/update/urn:li:activity:7447249264881205249/ -------------------- Connect with Barry & Steve SEO Summit 2026 - https://newsseo.io Barry's Consultancy service: https://www.polemicdigital.com/ Steve's Consultancy service: https://www.stevenwilsonbeales.com/

    The Truth About AI Crawlers and Publisher Content

  6. Mar 26

    The Secrets Behind The Times' SEO Success with Luke Halls

    In this episode, we explore the SEO strategies behind The Times of London's success, the impact of AI on news publishing, and how to build a resilient, value-driven newsroom. Guest Luke Halls, Head of SEO at The Times, shares insights on audience engagement, content innovation, and future trends. Key Topics on the Pod! - The Times' SEO strategy and audience growth - Impact of AI on news content and search - Building trust and loyalty through quality journalism Chapters 00:00 Introduction and Guest Introduction 00:18 The Success of The Times in a Complex Market 01:05 Barry's Favorite Beers and Personal Stories 02:16 The Heritage and Reach of The Times 03:43 The Role of Search and App Engagement 05:49 Luke's Journey into Journalism and SEO 09:52 Luke's Role and Objectives at The Times 10:30 Using Data to Drive Loyalty and Subscriptions 12:07 Content Strategy and Audience Targeting 13:20 AI's Disruption and Opportunities in News 14:46 Topic Focus and Data-Driven Content Planning 15:34 Adapting to the AI and Search Landscape 16:37 Google Discover and Content Optimization 18:41 Creating AI-Resilient and Original Journalism 20:19 Live Coverage and Content Tree Approach 21:26 Balancing Breaking News and Quality Content 22:23 The Times' Approach to Paywalls and Subscription Models 28:29 Experimenting with Gift Links and Sharing 29:54 Content Experiments Without Targets 31:19 Monitoring Discover and AI Impact 33:12 Headlines, Headlines Optimization, and AI Tools 34:20 Headline Strategies for Discover and Search 36:12 Using Multiple Headlines and AI in CMS 38:00 AI for Menial Tasks and Content Automation 40:08 Google's Headline Rewrites and Search Impact 43:43 Future Trends in Search, Discover, and YouTube 45:30 Upcoming SEO Events and Educational Opportunities 47:35 Closing Remarks and Future Outlook -------------------- Connect with Barry & Steve SEO Summit 2026 - https://newsseo.io Barry's Consultancy service: https://www.polemicdigital.com/ Steve's Consultancy service: https://www.stevenwilsonbeales.com/

    The Secrets Behind The Times' SEO Success with Luke Halls

  7. Feb 18

    The Power of Google Discover to BOOST audience for Publishers with Reach's Nicola Agius

    In our latest discussion we've invited Nicola Agius (Director of SEO and Discover, Reach) to chat about three SEO-related news stories before we deep dive into Google Discover and its implications for publishers. We explore the recent core updates, the impact of AI on traffic, and the importance of maintaining a balanced SEO strategy. Apologies for a couple of connectivity issues - but we resolved them in the end! Some takeaways... The CMA's regulations may lead to more control for publishers over their content in AI-generated responses in Google. AI tracking tools can provide misleading data; focus on quality content instead. The volatility of Google Discover requires constant monitoring and adaptation. Smaller and regional publishers are gaining visibility in Discover, challenging national publishers. Quality and authority in content creation should not be compromised for short-term traffic gains. Publishers need a diversified traffic strategy to mitigate risks associated with reliance on Discover. -------------------- Connect with Barry & Steve Barry's Consultancy service: https://www.polemicdigital.com/ Steve's Consultancy service: https://www.stevenwilsonbeales.com/

    The Power of Google Discover to BOOST audience for Publishers with Reach's Nicola Agius

  8. Jan 13

    AI Survival Strategies for Publishers: How to SMASH 2026!

    Wow, we made it to our second podcast! This week we discussed AI Survival Strategies based on an article Barry wrote recently. We also talked about the evolving landscape of digital publishing, the importance of SEO, the role of Google Discover AND the necessity of diversifying traffic sources via video and social media. We also spoke about the critical need for publishers to build trust and authority with their audiences by investing MORE in original journalism. PHEW! Further Reading for the hard core dedicated: Barry's AI Survival Strategies for Publishers: https://www.seoforgooglenews.com/p/ai-survival-strategies-for-publishers Steve's take on the Reuters Journalism and Technology Trends and Predictions 2026 report: https://publishingstrategies.substack.com/p/reuters-journalism-technology-trends-predictions Thanks to everyone who''s supported this pod so far! Some Key Takeaways: AI survival strategies are essential for publishers today. Traffic from search engines remains significant despite changes. Publishers must not neglect SEO in favour of quick wins. Technical SEO is crucial for long-term success. AI should be viewed as an accelerant, not a solution. Diversifying traffic sources beyond Google is vital. Google Discover presents both opportunities and risks for publishers. Experimentation is key to success in Google Discover. Publishers need to focus on quality journalism over clickbait tactics. Understanding audience needs is essential for effective content strategy. Google Discover can lead to spikes in traffic but can be addictive for publishers. Experimentation is crucial for success in Google Discover. Newsletters can effectively drive subscriptions and engage audiences. Video content is becoming increasingly important in journalism. Publishers should embrace video to retain talent and engage audiences. Building trust with audiences is essential for brand authority. Understanding audience perception is key to brand success. Original journalism is necessary to stand out in a crowded market. AI can summarise content, but original stories provide unique value. Courage to innovate and experiment is vital for future success. --------------------- Connect with Barry & Steve Barry's SEO for News Newsletter: https://www.seoforgooglenews.com/ Barry's Consultancy service: https://www.polemicdigital.com/ Steve's Consultancy service: https://www.stevenwilsonbeales.com/

    AI Survival Strategies for Publishers: How to SMASH 2026!

  9. 12/11/2025

    Will AI Kill SEO? Publisher Growth Tactics for 2026

    Welcome people to our new video podcast from Barry Adams and Steven Wilson-Beales discussing some of the biggest digital publishing trends - but with a difference because we'll be drinking beer throughout so what could possibly go wrong? This week we discussed - Will AI Kill SEO? Are AI prompt tracking tools the solution to all Zero-Click woes? What publishers should be aware of as we enter 2026. SEO myths we are most tired of AND publishers we're most proud of. There's also a story about walking drunkenly through Redruth, Cornwall - but you'll have to watch to find out what happened. Some key takeaways: SEO is evolving with the introduction of AI and LLMs. AI's impact on SEO is significant but not the end of it. Publishers need to adapt to the changing landscape of search traffic. Case studies are essential for proving credibility in SEO. Traffic from Google Discover can be addictive for newsrooms. Understanding LLMs is crucial for future SEO strategies. Google Discover traffic can lead to unreliable spikes. Publishers often chase clicks at the expense of quality. Discover should be viewed as bonus traffic, not a strategy. YouTube offers significant opportunities for news consumption. Compelling titles and thumbnails are crucial for video engagement. Reddit can be a tricky platform for publishers to navigate. Keyword research remains vital for effective SEO. Successful publishers focus on audience needs and engagement. AI overviews pose a significant threat to traditional search traffic. Long-term strategies are essential for sustainable growth. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Connect with Barry & Steve! Barry's SEO for News Newsletter: https://www.seoforgooglenews.com/ Barry's Consultancy service: https://www.polemicdigital.com/ Steve's Consultancy service: https://www.stevenwilsonbeales.com/ Zylinderkopf: https://www.instagram.com/_zylinderkopf/

    Will AI Kill SEO? Publisher Growth Tactics for 2026
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Barry Adams and Steven Wilson-Beales - two guys that have been at the forefront of digital publishing over the last 20 years, sit down and have a beer! Discussing the latest SEO news, audience growth, Google, AI visibility (and their favourite tipple) - this is your chance to hear an alternative take on the latest publishing trends. Expect some of the biggest audience specialists in news publishing - with so much misinformation around, it's time for an honest conversation. What is the future of publishing? How is AI affecting brand visibility? What are the best paywall strategies? Why is original journalism more important than ever before? If you have a question for Barry & Steve you can reach out via me@stevenwilsonbeales.com - don't be shy :)

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  • Creator
    Steven Wilson-Beales, Barry Adams
  • Years Active
    2025 - 2026
  • Episodes
    9
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    © 2026 Steven Wilson-Beales, Barry Adams