Leading Through Uncertainty

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The world doesn’t come with a manual for unpredictable times, but great leaders know how to adapt when the rules keep changing. Leading Through Uncertainty is a podcast that dives into real stories and practical advice from people who’ve been there: senior leaders, industry experts, and Odgers insiders. We talk about what it really takes to lead when the future feels foggy, how to make decisions, keep teams motivated, and turn challenges into opportunities. No jargon, no fluff, just honest conversations to help you navigate the unknown with confidence. Hit play and join us for insights that matter when certainty isn’t an option.

  1. 8h ago

    How Sports Leaders Navigate Uncertainty, Investment & Innovation

    How will sports leadership evolve in an era of uncertainty, institutional investment, technological disruption and changing fan expectations? In this episode of Leading Through Uncertainty, Odgers Chief Operating Officer Kate Burns speaks with Euan Frizzell, Partner and Head of International Sports Practice at Odgers, about the future of leadership in sport, executive search, succession planning, fan engagement, AI and the growing influence of private capital across the sports industry. Drawing on more than 20 years of experience advising sports organisations, governing bodies, investors and global brands, Euan shares insights into what distinguishes today's most effective leaders and why adaptability is becoming the defining leadership capability in sport. In this episode: The future of sports leadershipHow institutional investment is reshaping sportCommercial growth versus performance on the pitchThe power and economics of fan engagementWhy adaptability matters more than everEmerging sports, esports and new audiencesAI's impact on executive search and talent assessmentSuccession planning and future-ready leadership teamsThe role of governance, advisory boards and non-executive directorsHow sports organisations attract talent from outside the industry Key questions answered in this interview What will redefine sports leadership over the next decade? What are the biggest blind spots facing sports leaders today? Why is fan engagement becoming increasingly valuable? How is investment changing the leadership demands on sports organisations? What leadership skills matter most in uncertain times? How is AI changing executive search and talent assessment? What does successful leadership in sport look like today? How should boards prepare for continued uncertainty? About the Guest Euan Frizzell is a Partner at Odgers and leads the firm's international sports practice outside the United States. He advises sports organisations, governing bodies, investors and global brands on executive search, leadership strategy, succession planning and organisational transformation. About Leading Through Uncertainty Leading Through Uncertainty is Odgers' leadership interview series exploring how senior leaders navigate complexity, transformation and opportunity across industries and markets worldwide.

    How Sports Leaders Navigate Uncertainty, Investment & Innovation

  2. Sep 3

    How Great Leaders Navigate Uncertainty

    In this episode of Leading Through Uncertainty, Chris Hamilton sits down with investor, board adviser and former global CEO Subhanu Saxena to explore what effective leadership looks like in an era defined by disruption, complexity and constant change. Drawing on a career that spans engineering, consulting, banking, consumer goods, pharmaceuticals and healthcare investing, Subhanu Saxena shares practical lessons on navigating uncertainty, leading business turnarounds, building resilient organisations and developing future leaders. During the conversation, they discuss: Why leaders should stop trying to predict the future and focus on adaptabilityLessons from leading a major business turnaround at PepsiCoWhat investors look for in leadership teams todayHow to identify organisational inflection points before problems escalateThe role of boards in developing leadership talentWhy diversity of thought matters when navigating uncertaintyThe leadership capabilities organisations need for the next decadeBuilding cultures where people can thrive as themselvesThe importance of purpose, authenticity and self-awareness in leadership A standout insight from the conversation: "If things go well and everyone thinks the same, that's fine. But when you hit a problem, you want someone to come up with a contrarian view." Whether you're a CEO, board member, investor or aspiring leader, this discussion offers valuable perspectives on leading people, navigating change and creating organisations that can succeed in uncertain environments.

    How Great Leaders Navigate Uncertainty

  3. Aug 25

    How AI, Alternatives and Private Credit Are Transforming Asset Management | Kevin McKeon

    How will artificial intelligence reshape asset management? Is private credit facing a correction? And what does the future of leadership look like in an increasingly uncertain investment landscape? In this episode of Leading Through Uncertainty, Anne Murphy is joined by Kevin McKeon, Head of Odgers' US Financial Services Practice, to explore the forces reshaping asset management today. Drawing on his experience advising leading investment firms across asset management, alternatives and wealth management, Kevin shares insights on: The rapid growth of alternative investmentsRetail investor demand and product innovationThe future of private credit AI's impact on fundraising and investment researchHow compensation models are changing Leadership and board priorities amid technological disruption Talent implications for asset managersWhat successful firms will look like over the next decade Whether you are an asset management executive, board director, investor, private markets professional or financial services leader, this conversation offers practical insights into navigating uncertainty while preparing for long-term growth.

    How AI, Alternatives and Private Credit Are Transforming Asset Management | Kevin McKeon

  4. Jul 31

    Should Tech Leaders be Experts or Experimenters?

    In the APAC debut episode of Odgers’ Leading Through Uncertainty podcast, Karen Chiew and Paul Clayson explore how technology leadership is evolving amid disruption, AI acceleration, and market uncertainty. Together, they discuss whether today’s technology leaders need to be technical experts, commercial translators, continual learners, or experimenters willing to test, adapt and lead through ambiguity. The conversation covers: Why technical expertise alone is no longer enoughThe leadership traits proving most valuable in uncertain timesHow AI is reshaping executive talent and organisational prioritiesThe changing role of CIOs, CTOs and digital leadersWhy curiosity, adaptability and experimentation are becoming leadership imperatives

    Should Tech Leaders be Experts or Experimenters?

  5. Jul 2

    How Boards and CEOs can Build Stronger Leadership

    In this episode of Leading Through Uncertainty, Liz Stewart sits down with Luís Sitima, Global co-Head of the Leadership Advisory Practice at Odgers and Managing Partner of Odgers Portugal, to explore how leadership is evolving in response to ongoing disruption, shifting organisational priorities and the accelerating pace of change. From digital transformation to the future of work, culture and performance, this conversation offers practical insights for CEOs, C-suite leaders and senior decision-makers navigating complexity across global organisations.

    How Boards and CEOs can Build Stronger Leadership

  6. Jun 30

    Leading Through Uncertainty: A Conversation with David Cates, President & CEO of Denison Mines

    In this episode of our Leading Through Uncertainty series, Rob Quinn, Head of the Global Mining Practice at Odgers, sits down with David Cates, President & CEO of Denison Mines, to discuss leading through volatility in the mining sector. David shares how Denison is advancing Canada's first in situ recovery (ISR) uranium project, why innovation often comes from constraint, and how clarity of purpose helps organizations stay focused amid changing markets. The conversation also explores building teams driven by impact, balancing long-term growth with near-term execution, and why disciplined leadership is essential for sustained success in an uncertain world. Listen now to gain insights into the leadership principles shaping the future of mining.

    Leading Through Uncertainty: A Conversation with David Cates, President & CEO of Denison Mines

  7. Jun 29

    Why Risk-Averse Leadership Is Media’s Biggest Strategic Threat

    How is AI reshaping the media industry? Is the creator economy disrupting traditional media? And what skills do leaders need to stay competitive? In this episode of Leading Through Uncertainty, Kate Burns (COO, Odgers) is joined by Jules McKeen, Head of Global Media & Entertainment, to explore the biggest shifts in media, content, and leadership. From AI and content monetisation to the rise of creators and platform convergence, this conversation breaks down what’s really changing — and what leaders should do next. Key topics covered: AI’s impact on content creation, jobs, and creativity The rise of the creator economy and its impact on traditional media How media companies monetise content, IP, and audiences Why hiring for curiosity and adaptability is critical The convergence of media, technology, and platforms The future of podcasts, video, and digital content Key questions answered: How is AI changing the media industry? Is the creator economy disrupting traditional media? What skills do modern media leaders need? How are companies monetising content today? Are podcasts still growing, or evolving into video? How should leaders navigate uncertainty and change?

    Why Risk-Averse Leadership Is Media’s Biggest Strategic Threat

  8. Jun 8

    What Makes an Effective Chief People Officer?

    In this episode of Leading Through Uncertainty, Kate Burns sits down with Áine Hurley, Head of People & Culture Practice at Odgers, to explore how the role of the Chief People Officer (CPO) is evolving – from HR leadership to a critical driver of business strategy, culture, and performance. From AI transformation to hybrid working, leadership purpose and organisational culture, this conversation offers practical insights for CPOs, CHROs, CEOs and senior leaders navigating change across global organisations. Key topics covered: How the Chief People Officer role has changed The growing influence of HR at board level AI’s impact on people strategy and capability Culture, performance and organisational transformation The future of work, hybrid teams and leadership challenges This discussion draws on experience across FTSE companies and international organisations, with valuable insights for business leaders in the UK and globally. Key questions answered in this video: What does a Chief People Officer do? How is the CPO role evolving in 2025? What impact does AI have on HR and leadership? What makes a successful Chief People Officer? Who owns culture in an organisation? What challenges do HR leaders face today?

    What Makes an Effective Chief People Officer?
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The world doesn’t come with a manual for unpredictable times, but great leaders know how to adapt when the rules keep changing. Leading Through Uncertainty is a podcast that dives into real stories and practical advice from people who’ve been there: senior leaders, industry experts, and Odgers insiders. We talk about what it really takes to lead when the future feels foggy, how to make decisions, keep teams motivated, and turn challenges into opportunities. No jargon, no fluff, just honest conversations to help you navigate the unknown with confidence. Hit play and join us for insights that matter when certainty isn’t an option.

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