The Human Side of Facilitation

Tom Cleary

Do you work with groups? It might be training, running meetings, workshops, or team sessions. You might be a full-time trainer, manager, coach, leader, HR professional, or have a role where running group work is an unexpected addition to your role! Whichever one you are, if you work with groups and care about doing it well, welcome I'm Tom, and I've spent 16+ years working with groups - as a teacher, trainer, and facilitator. This podcast is about the bits of that work that don't get talked about enough. Not just techniques or frameworks, but the actual human experience of doing this. The wobble moments when what always worked before... suddenly doesn't. The psychological side of holding space for difficult topics. How we stay creative and authentic when we're managing our own stuff while facilitating others. How to maintain our own wellbeing and not take our work home with us too much. It's reflective, it's honest, and it's about developing together rather than me having all the answers. I definitely don't. But together, we do. The people drawn to this work tend to be thoughtful, introspective and kind; are growth-oriented; use emotional intelligence; are reflective about their practice; care about their work, the people they work with and making the world a better place. And I love to hear from people like that. Episodes explore aspects like psychological safety, working with creative practices, those challenging moments we all face, and what it actually takes to create conditions where people can learn and grow. If you want to be on the podcast, reach out! tomclearyuk.substack.com

  1. 3d ago

    Co-delivery, Tricky Groups(?), and the Impact of Training... A Conversation with Jen Rawlinson

    “Energy, not time, is the fundamental currency of high performance.” - Jim Loehr & Tony Schwartz Jen Rawlinson, a trainer and the Director of Flourish in Mind Training, joins me today. We’ve been waiting a while for our diaries to finally overlap with a time to do this, and I’ve been looking forward to this conversation, as Jen is such a supportive and positive person in the world of training. We cover a lot of topics here, which is very useful as I’ve been collecting ‘sound bites’ for some upcoming compilation episodes, where there’s a topic (such as ‘wellbeing as a facilitator’) and I can take parts from multiple guests who talk about that, add in some research, and make a focussed episode I hope will be useful to listeners. When listening to Jen’s episode, there were at least 15 topics she mentions that this could happen with! We chat about introversion, recovering our energy after training, successful co-facilitation, reading/mis-reading groups, and the impact of what we do. Along with very human stories and examples from Jen’s work. Jen and I would love to hear from you… · You can email me at tom@tom-cleary.co.uk · Subscribe on Apple Podcasts or Spotify · Find out more about Thoughtful Facilitation: https://www.tom-cleary.co.uk/thoughtful-facilitation Listeners can find out more about Jen at: · https://www.linkedin.com/in/jennifer-rawlinson-b92712a0/ · www.flourishinmind.co.uk This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit tomclearyuk.substack.com

    Co-delivery, Tricky Groups(?), and the Impact of Training... A Conversation with Jen Rawlinson
  2. Sep 23

    It Takes a Village... and Some Wolves? A Conversation with Jen Le Marinel

    “Going outdoors opens new horizons. It can be a journey into an unfamiliar world - a world of differences where norms and routines are left behind and where people dress, feel, think and behave differently. Going outdoors can also be a voyage of discoveries where people find things out about themselves, about each other and about the natural world.” — Roger Greenaway I don’t class myself as a particularly outdoorsy person (I enjoy being outdoors, I love the sea and woodlands... but I also like a nice pub or hotel soon after being in them!), but I may have to reassess that after a fascinating conversation with Jen Le Marinel today. Jen is founder of nature-based coaching and training business Wildfire Walks and author of Be More Tree: Wild wisdom for busy women. After quitting her corporate financial services career nearly a decade ago, Jen has worked with hundreds of clients both individually and in groups to help them access more courage, more resilience and more joy, through helping them to reconnect with their inner wildness. She’s a coach, facilitator, speaker and wild guide, and believes that when we remember, and embrace, that inner wildness, we can truly thrive. Join us as we talk about all sorts of aspects of groups and facilitation... my favourite still being facilitating with wolves! I went from thinking how different mine and Jen’s worlds of facilitation are... to seeing a thousand connections and similarities. Watch out for the wolves! I’d love to hear from you – your stories, thoughts, comments, ideas, resources, anything… · You can email me at tom@tom-cleary.co.uk · Subscribe on Apple Podcasts or Spotify · Read and comment on Substack: https://substack.com/@tomclearyuk · Find out more about Thoughtful Facilitation: https://www.tom-cleary.co.uk/thoughtful-facilitation Listeners can find out more about Jen at: · Website: www.wildfirewalks.com LinkedIn: Jen Le Marinel / · https://www.linkedin.com/in/jen-le-marinel-wildfirewalks/ Facebook: · www.facebook.com/wildfirewalks · Book: https://www.waterstones.com/book/be-more-tree/jen-le-marinel/9781805760672 This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit tomclearyuk.substack.com

    It Takes a Village... and Some Wolves? A Conversation with Jen Le Marinel
  3. Sep 9

    “The actor is the greatest ally of the facilitator"... A Conversation with Amy Du Quesne

    “The actor is the greatest ally of the facilitator. It is the actor who most transports the role-players into the world of the workshop, draws and holds focus, compels belief by their utter commitment to the part, and demands engagement from the players.” — Paul Heinrich I’d never historically thought about acting as having so many overlaps with facilitation… but the more I interview acting specialists and work alongside them, the more I see the connections and how much we can both learn from each other. I’ve had the pleasure of working with this week’s guest over the past few months, co-facilitating multiple sessions. Amy Du Quesne brings her acting skills into facilitation, helping bring scenarios, stories and characters to life. During our most recent work, we were talking about the worlds we both work in and realised we had more in common than we thought. So I wanted to invite Amy on to discuss some of these topics. We take a bit of a diversion into AI vs human actors, about her work with her husband James, explore how she creates a safe space in her workshops when people arrive putting a lot of pressure on themselves, and talk about how she uses her ‘extreme empathy’ in a positive way when portraying characters in the groups we work with. I’d love to hear from you… · You can email me at tom@tom-cleary.co.uk · Subscribe on Apple Podcasts or Spotify · Read and comment on Substack: https://substack.com/@tomclearyuk · Find out more about Thoughtful Facilitation: https://www.tom-cleary.co.uk/thoughtful-facilitation Listeners can find out more about Amy at: · https://www.instagram.com/amyduquesne/ · https://app.spotlight.com/2694-5649-1705 · https://www.imdb.com/name/nm6052907/ · aquesne@hotmail.com Link to the short film ‘Filter’ https://filmshortage.com/dailyshortpicks/filter/ This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit tomclearyuk.substack.com

    “The actor is the greatest ally of the facilitator"... A Conversation with Amy Du Quesne
  4. Aug 26

    Magic, Russian and Action Learning... A Conversation with Bonnie Grotjahn

    “The magic happens when people feel included, not obliged.” — Priya Parker Today’s guest gave me a dilemma… after our pre-meeting and reading her questionnaire responses about which topics she could cover, how was it all going to fit in one episode?! It doesn’t, so we decided to book another one, so we can come back to elements we didn’t cover. In this one, Bonnie Grotjahn (a psychotherapist, counsellor and action learning facilitator) shares her story of facilitation which started in a University support group, took her through facilitating the Alternatives to Violence Project in Russia, to now running groups on topics like loss and life changes. I loved the way she touches on the magic and impact of facilitation across so many aspects of life. I’d love to hear from you – your stories, thoughts, comments, ideas, resources, anything… · You can email me at tom@tom-cleary.co.uk · Subscribe on Apple Podcasts or Spotify · Read and comment on Substack: https://substack.com/@tomclearyuk · Find out more about Thoughtful Facilitation: https://www.tom-cleary.co.uk/thoughtful-facilitation Listeners can find out more about Bonnie at: · LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/bonnie-grotjahn-1383901b/ · Website: https://boatherapy.weebly.com/ This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit tomclearyuk.substack.com

    Magic, Russian and Action Learning... A Conversation with Bonnie Grotjahn
  5. Aug 12

    Psychodrama, Vulnerability and Emergence... A Conversation with Kevin Thomas

    “If you cannot increase reflective power in people, you might as well not teach, because reflection is the only thing that in the long run changes anybody.” — Dorothy Heathcote Psychodrama? It wasn’t a term I was familiar with until today’s guest reached out. Especially as a convert to using drama and roleplay in sessions (having previously been someone who would have found any reason possible to leave a session if they used the dreaded ‘R’ word!) As I looked into it, I found it really interesting, especially as a lot of my work intersects with it. It’s also something on my own professional development list - wanting to refine and develop elements of what I’ve labelled as “creative facilitation techniques”, and something a lot of people I work with want to develop in too. Today’s guest is Kevin Thomas, Founder and Principal of Green River Coaching & Consulting. I really enjoyed this conversation with Kevin and I hope you do as well. We’d love to hear from you - what are your thoughts on this topic? You can connect with me, here: * You can email me at tom@tom-cleary.co.uk * Find out more about Thoughtful Facilitation: https://www.tom-cleary.co.uk/thoughtful-facilitation * LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/tom-cleary-coaching/ * Subscribe on Apple Podcasts or Spotify And with Kevin here: * greenrivercoaching.com * pioneerpsychodrama.org * https://www.linkedin.com/in/kevinrthomas/ This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit tomclearyuk.substack.com

    Psychodrama, Vulnerability and Emergence... A Conversation with Kevin Thomas
  6. Jul 29

    Legal Training, Introversion and TEDx Talks… A Conversation with Scott Walker

    What comes to mind when you think of a lawyer? What about a professional speaker? And why would an introverted lawyer want to do a TEDx Talk? I’m speaking with Scott Walker today. Scott is a legal trainer, professional speaker, lawyer and visiting lecturer. He is passionate about helping law firms understand how introversion and extroversion shape how we work, communicate, and serve clients, and why personality awareness is the key to creating a more inclusive, human-centred legal profession. In fact you can hear his focus on the human side a lot during the episode. We talk about his work, how introversion fits into the legal profession… and how does it influence working with groups? And what’s the cost to the trainer of doing that? Scott and I would love to hear from you – do any of today’s topics resonate with you? You can email me at tom@tom-cleary.co.uk | Subscribe on Apple Podcasts or Spotify | Read and comment on Substack: https://substack.com/@tomclearyuk | Find out more about Thoughtful Facilitation: https://www.tom-cleary.co.uk/thoughtful-facilitation You can contact Scott on: · https://uk.linkedin.com/in/scottwalker1 · https://www.youtube.com/@scottwalkersolicitor · https://www.facebook.com/scottwalkersolicitor/ And watch his TEDx Talk is available on YouTube “Why does the world need an introverted lawyer? | Scott Walker | TEDx The University of Law Moorgate” This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit tomclearyuk.substack.com

    Legal Training, Introversion and TEDx Talks… A Conversation with Scott Walker
  7. Jul 15

    Facilitating Wild Swimming & the Marketing Sanctuary... a Conversation with Kaye King

    How does a marketing mentor have such a strong connection to the human side of group dynamics? And does facilitating swimming lessons have anything to do with running a marketing sanctuary? I’m proven wrong about some of my assumptions about who will make a great guest for the podcast – marketing was definitely not a topic I searched for specialists in for guests! But when I saw a group that this week’s guest was facilitating, I very quickly invited her to talk about it with me, as she held the space so beautifully. Kaye King is a marketing mentor, specialising in supporting solo business owners who want to make the world a better place, and her online community can help with both their marketing, along with their sense of connection and being supported. I’d love to hear from you – do any of today’s topics resonate with you? You can email me at tom@tom-cleary.co.uk | Subscribe on Apple Podcasts or Spotify | Read and comment on Substack: https://substack.com/@tomclearyuk | Find out more about Thoughtful Facilitation: https://www.tom-cleary.co.uk/thoughtful-facilitation Kaye would love for you to get in touch to continue the conversation. Email: hello@marketingmentorkaye.com Connect on LinkedIn: www.linkedin.com/in/kaye-king-marketingmentor. Or visit her website: Website: https://www.marketingmentorkaye.com/ This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit tomclearyuk.substack.com

    Facilitating Wild Swimming & the Marketing Sanctuary... a Conversation with Kaye King

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Do you work with groups? It might be training, running meetings, workshops, or team sessions. You might be a full-time trainer, manager, coach, leader, HR professional, or have a role where running group work is an unexpected addition to your role! Whichever one you are, if you work with groups and care about doing it well, welcome I'm Tom, and I've spent 16+ years working with groups - as a teacher, trainer, and facilitator. This podcast is about the bits of that work that don't get talked about enough. Not just techniques or frameworks, but the actual human experience of doing this. The wobble moments when what always worked before... suddenly doesn't. The psychological side of holding space for difficult topics. How we stay creative and authentic when we're managing our own stuff while facilitating others. How to maintain our own wellbeing and not take our work home with us too much. It's reflective, it's honest, and it's about developing together rather than me having all the answers. I definitely don't. But together, we do. The people drawn to this work tend to be thoughtful, introspective and kind; are growth-oriented; use emotional intelligence; are reflective about their practice; care about their work, the people they work with and making the world a better place. And I love to hear from people like that. Episodes explore aspects like psychological safety, working with creative practices, those challenging moments we all face, and what it actually takes to create conditions where people can learn and grow. If you want to be on the podcast, reach out! tomclearyuk.substack.com

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