Most biotech CEOs assume nation-state hackers are a big-pharma problem. Raja Mikkili and Anne Elise Herold Li explain why the opposite is true: the small and mid-size companies doing the innovative R&D are the more interesting target, because they are the R&D labs the big companies shop from. Continuing the conversation that started at BIO, they break down what a nation state actually wants from a biotech (the roadmap, not the ransom), why the West Pharmaceutical breach should have been an industry wake-up call, how far down the supply chain you now have to audit, what AI-versus-AI attack recon looks like, and the four-sentence clause buried in collaboration agreements that quietly gives your data away. Raja Mikkili is Vice President, Core Technologies and Security at Arcutis Biotherapeutics, where he leads cybersecurity strategy, data analytics, AI, and technology initiatives. His 20-plus-year career spans aerospace and defense, pharmaceuticals, private equity, and construction, including DoD- and FDA-compliant security programs at EaglePicher Technologies and Zydus Pharmaceuticals. Anne Elise Herold Li is Managing Partner of the New York office and Shareholder at Brownstein Hyatt Farber Schreck. A Chambers-ranked, first-chair IP trial lawyer focused on biotech, pharma, and medical devices, she holds an M.P.H. from Emory, teaches biotechnology law at Fordham, and is admitted to the U.S. Supreme Court. CHAPTERS 00:00 The vulnerability no one reads 01:33 What nation states actually target in biotech 06:23 Why small biotechs are the bigger prize 10:23 The West Pharmaceutical wake-up call 14:51 Auditing your supply chain down to the roots 19:19 Honeypots, dummy data, and vendor firewalls 23:14 AI attacking AI: recon at machine speed 27:56 The new Cold War: China and the BIOSECURE Act 31:06 The COINS Act and who gets audited 32:54 Why anonymized data is exactly what they want 35:34 Career paths and hardest challenges 42:11 Data ownership: the four-sentence vulnerability Open Door Salon is where global healthcare is discussed by the people who build, fund, and fight for it. Hosted by Lori Ellis. Newsletter (seven key takeaways for every episode): https://opendoorsalon.substack.com/ Website: https://opendoorsalon.com/ LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/opendoorsalon Raja Mikkili: https://www.linkedin.com/in/rmikkili/ Anne Elise Herold Li: https://www.linkedin.com/in/anneeliseli/