Erik, Jack, and special guest Hardy Bender catch up on everything Idaho outfitters need to know this week. Hardy previews the IOGA Annual Meeting, happening this December at Tamarack Resort near Donnelly and McCall — early-bird pricing ends at the end of the month, chartered flights are being arranged out of the Lemhi Valley, and this year's sessions range from digital marketing basics to AI-driven operations management, alongside old favorites like cowboy poetry and the exhibitor fair. On the policy side, Erik explains that the Forest Service has delayed rollout of the Explore Act's predetermined fee option, meaning most operators should budget for the traditional AGR-based fee model this season rather than the new per-person-per-day structure. Jack breaks down the newly published proposal to rescind the 2001 National Roadless Rule, walking through what it does and doesn't change — including why Idaho's own 2008 Roadless Rule keeps most in-state impacts limited, while forests along the Montana, Wyoming, Oregon, and Washington borders could see more road-building conversations down the road. The team also covers a Forest Service reorganization consolidating fire and aviation authority under a single Deputy Chief, sobering fall steelhead and Chinook return numbers on the Snake and Columbia systems, a nearly 700,000-acre fire season and strained state suppression budgets, and a proposed Oregon State Marine Board rule clarifying guide licensing requirements in Hells Canyon. The back half of the episode features Erik's conversation with Mark Deming, Chief Marketing Officer of NRS, the Moscow, Idaho-based river gear company. Mark traces NRS's path from a 1970s mail-order operation built on duct-taped-together necessity (the Bill's Bag, the NRS strap) to a globally recognized outdoor brand that still designs, builds, and ships almost everything in-house. The two talk about NRS's employee-owned culture, the evolving outdoor customer base, the rise of pack rafting as the next big category, the company's approach to conservation advocacy, and why NRS has chosen to stay rooted in Moscow rather than scale up elsewhere. Hardy closes out with a look ahead to February's Lobby Day and Big Thaw fundraiser in Boise, and Erik reminds everyone to renew their IOGA membership.