Positive. Business. Action.

Hugh McPherson and Guests

This is where agritourism meets real-world action. Hosted by Hugh McPherson, a longtime leader in the agritourism and attractions space, this podcast dives into the stories behind family farms, campgrounds, fall festivals, and entertainment businesses. Hugh shares honest conversations, practical ideas, and lessons learned from over 30 years in the industry—along with interviews with people who are out there making it happen. It’s positive, lighthearted, and packed with takeaways you can actually use. You’ll feel right at home here. Join us! https://linktr.ee/positive.business.action

  1. Sep 25

    AI Is Changing Agritourism: How Smart Farms Are Using AI to Save Time & Make More Money

    AI is already becoming a practical tool for farms and agritourism businesses—helping save time, organize information, make decisions, and improve day-to-day operations. In this episode, Hugh McPherson is joined by Amir Maan of Maan Farms and Jordan Pierce of Stucky Farm and Agritourism Solutions to discuss how they're using AI right now. From turning voice notes into work orders to building an AI assistant through WhatsApp, they share real examples involving equipment, marketing, pricing, weather, operations, and more. • Turn voice notes into organized farm work orders• Use a WhatsApp AI assistant called Iris to organize information• Work with PDFs, emails, Google Sheets, and business data• Preserve institutional knowledge and make it easier for employees to access• Use AI to evaluate equipment purchases• Visualize landscaping and farm improvements before spending money• Create contractor-ready project concepts• Identify equipment and planter settings from photos• Create radio ads that fit specific time limits• Analyze ticket pricing and historical sales data• Combine weather, attendance, and sales data to find patterns• Use AI for forms, compliance, and technical tasks• Understand AI security, access control, and prompt injection The discussion goes beyond saving time. AI can help analyze ticket pricing, early-bird offers, same-day pricing, attendance, weather, and historical sales data. For seasonal businesses, years of sales and weather information can help identify patterns and evaluate different pricing scenarios. The group discusses prompt injection, public-facing chatbots, access permissions, and sensitive business information. As AI becomes more integrated into business operations, knowing what information an AI system can access—and who can access it—is critical. AI can reduce repetitive administrative work, organize information, and help owners spend more time focused on people, guests, operations, and growth. The goal isn't to replace your team. It's to give your team better tools. 00:00 – Introduction03:13 – Meet Jordan and Amir05:07 – Voice notes into work orders06:46 – WhatsApp AI assistant09:50 – Capturing information in the field11:59 – AI with PDFs and Sheets13:30 – Getting employees to use AI15:32 – AI access control18:28 – Building AI assistants19:41 – AI for equipment planning20:55 – AI for landscaping24:23 – AI for radio commercials25:07 – Farm photos to project concepts28:58 – AI security33:55 – LLMs.txt37:44 – Preserving equipment knowledge41:41 – AI for business decisions42:10 – AI and ticket pricing44:24 – Guest behavior patterns45:31 – Historical ticketing data49:33 – Weather data50:28 – Weather, attendance & sales52:40 – AI for forms and compliance54:17 – Agentic AI challenges55:49 – The future of AI for farms More Information About Hugh: https://maplelawnfarms.com/ Positive Business Action Linktree: https://linktr.ee/positive.business.action Maan Farms: https://maanfarms.com/ Stucky Farm and Agritourism Solutions: https://stuckeyfarm.com/ Positive. Business. Action. features practical conversations with entrepreneurs, business owners, and industry experts about business growth, marketing, leadership, technology, agritourism, customer experience, and operations. 💬 How are you using AI in your business? Share your biggest AI win—or the task you wish AI could handle for you. #AI #ArtificialIntelligence #Agritourism #FarmBusiness #FarmTechnology #AIFarming #Agriculture #SmallBusiness #BusinessGrowth #Marketing

    AI Is Changing Agritourism: How Smart Farms Are Using AI to Save Time & Make More Money

  2. Aug 21

    Panic Early: The Secret to Stress-Free Agritourism Events

    What if the secret to a smoother opening weekend isn't working harder at the last minute—but getting almost everything done a week early? In this episode, Hugh McPherson shares a simple management philosophy for agritourism businesses: “Panic Early.” Instead of waiting until the day before opening to finish setup, Hugh recommends treating the week before your event like opening week. The goal is to have roughly 98% of the work completed, tested, and ready before guests arrive. Why? Because early preparation creates a valuable buffer. That extra time allows you to discover broken equipment, missing supplies, technology problems, staffing issues, and operational gaps while you still have time to fix them. It also reduces last-minute payroll, overtime, stress, and the temptation to throw more people at problems. Most importantly, it gives owners and managers more freedom to focus on what matters when opening day arrives: marketing, guests, customer experience, and leading the team. What “panic early” really means for farms, festivals, and attractions How completing 98% of your setup early creates a safety buffer Why last-minute work can become an expensive payroll problem How early preparation creates more time for marketing and planning Why POS systems, printers, card readers, internet, and payment processing should be tested before opening How to catch equipment failures and missing supplies before customers discover them Why attractions and critical equipment should be inspected and tested in advance How opening and closing checklists reveal forgotten equipment and supplies How early preparation builds confidence and independence within your team Why a great system allows you to step away and trust your team to operate successfully “Panic early” isn't really about panic. It's about creating enough time to solve problems before they become emergencies. When you prepare early, you don't eliminate problems—you give yourself the time and space to handle them. The result? Less stress. Less last-minute labor. Fewer surprises. Better guest experiences. And perhaps the biggest benefit of all: a business that can run successfully without the owner having to personally solve every problem on opening weekend. 00:00 – Opening banter and today's topic: “Panic Early”00:48 – What “panic early” means for agritourism events01:20 – Why event weeks create avoidable chaos02:28 – The cost of Friday-night scrambling03:27 – Treating the week before like event week04:54 – Getting 98% of setup finished early05:24 – Why discipline matters more than circumstances06:23 – Creating time for marketing and planning06:51 – More time for guests instead of firefighting07:14 – Matching preparation to different festivals08:01 – Why early prep makes the season easier08:19 – Building a team you can trust09:45 – Preparing themed attractions before the rush10:12 – Hooking up, inspecting, and testing equipment11:06 – Catching POS and payment problems early12:07 – Testing actual transactions12:33 – Finding a broken lemonade machine before opening13:25 – Catching missing supplies before guests arrive14:10 – Using opening and closing lists15:10 – Testing the Super Mega Slide conveyor15:37 – Finding unexpected problems in the maze16:00 – Final takeaway: Panic early, less stress “Panic early is the best management practice.” “You can choose to do it, or you can choose to do it the way you've always done it.” “Panic early. Less stress.” If you operate a farm, festival, corn maze, seasonal attraction, or agritourism business, this episode offers a simple management change that can make your entire opening process smoother. Prepare early. Test early. Fix problems early. Then enjoy the weekend. #Agritourism #FarmBusiness #EventManagement #Leadership #SmallBusiness #FarmMarketing #CustomerExperience #AgritourismBusiness #BusinessGrowth

    Panic Early: The Secret to Stress-Free Agritourism Events

  3. Aug 10

    The Email Apocalypse: Why Your Emails Aren’t Reaching Customers—and What to Do About It

    Email marketing has changed dramatically—and if you're a farm, agritourism business, attraction, or small business relying on email to reach customers, the rules are no longer what they used to be. In this episode, Domenick Chiaravalloti, Head Email Strategist at emailmarketing.com, explains the “email apocalypse”—the dramatic shift in how Gmail, Yahoo, and other inbox providers evaluate emails and decide what reaches the inbox. The good news? You don't necessarily need to send more emails or build a massive list. You need to send better emails to people who actually want to hear from you. You'll learn: How email deliverability and sender reputation work Why opens, clicks, replies, and forwards matter How misleading subject lines can hurt engagement Why simple, focused emails can outperform cluttered newsletters How too many links and competing offers can hurt your results Why unsubscribes aren't necessarily a bad thing How to segment customers based on purchases, behavior, attendance, and interests How farms and seasonal businesses can use segmentation effectively Why list growth starts with a compelling offer—not just a newsletter signup How to avoid attracting the wrong subscribers Tools for diagnosing deliverability problems Why a smaller, engaged list can outperform a massive list Domenick introduces a simple framework for building stronger email relationships: E — Earn TrustGive people a reason to keep opening your emails. L — Lead to VictoryMake the desired action clear and easy. F — Fulfill PromisesDeliver what you promised your audience. The core lesson is simple: one email, one clear purpose, one clear offer, and one desired action. 00:00 – Introducing Domenick02:26 – Domenick and emailmarketing.com03:04 – What was the “email apocalypse”?04:31 – Why every email needs a purpose06:36 – What email engagement really means10:08 – Writing better subject lines13:20 – Why simple emails perform better17:30 – How inbox providers evaluate senders20:34 – The risks of shared email platforms24:47 – Why smaller lists can be more valuable26:04 – Why unsubscribes can help30:25 – Don't bury the lead35:50 – Tools for diagnosing deliverability39:15 – Understanding segmentation42:35 – Segmentation for farms49:49 – Why offer clarity beats cleverness52:00 – Growing your email list57:18 – Why email lists can outperform advertising61:32 – Contests and list growth64:00 – The ELF framework67:00 – Domenick's three-point strategy69:00 – Final takeaways71:10 – Where to find Domenick Connect with Domenick:https://emaildeliverability.com/?el=emailmarketing.com&ip_address=24.112.140.223 Learn More About the Farm:https://maplelawnfarms.com/ Positive Business Action Linktree:https://linktr.ee/positive.business.action More information at inboxpro.io/hugh Positive Business Action features practical conversations with entrepreneurs, business owners, and industry experts about business growth, marketing, agritourism, leadership, technology, customer experience, and entrepreneurship. What's your biggest email marketing challenge—deliverability, open rates, list growth, or segmentation? Share your answer and send this episode to a business owner who needs to rethink their email strategy. #EmailMarketing #EmailDeliverability #Agritourism #FarmMarketing #SmallBusinessMarketing #DigitalMarketing #EmailStrategy #BusinessGrowth

    The Email Apocalypse: Why Your Emails Aren’t Reaching Customers—and What to Do About It

  4. May 27

    Mastering Delegation: How to Stop Micromanaging and Scale Your Business

    Why do so many business owners struggle to delegate—even when they know they need to? In this episode, we break down the real reasons entrepreneurs hold onto tasks for too long and how effective delegation can completely transform your business, leadership, and personal freedom. From overcoming control issues to building systems your team can actually follow, this conversation is packed with practical strategies for creating a more empowered and scalable operation. Whether you’re stuck doing everything yourself or trying to build a stronger leadership team, this episode will help you stop being the bottleneck and start building systems that work without you. • Why business owners struggle with delegation and control• The hidden cost of “I’ll just do it myself” thinking• Hugh McPherson’s 80% rule for effective delegation• How to systematize tasks with checklists, maps, and clear expectations• Preventing reverse delegation when tasks “jump back” onto you• The difference between oversight and micromanagement• How to empower employees to make decisions confidently• Why humor and light teasing can strengthen team culture• Practical ways to remove yourself from daily operational tasks• Signs your team members are ready for more responsibility 00:00 – Introduction and delegation challenges00:32 – Why owners struggle to let go01:13 – Common delegation excuses01:57 – The classic “weed whack” delegation story02:50 – The consequences of poor delegation03:35 – Hugh McPherson’s 80% delegation rule04:24 – Pride, control, and leadership bottlenecks05:09 – How over-control limits team growth06:15 – Reverse delegation and “monkeys jumping back”07:10 – Organizing tasks with systems and lists07:35 – Letting go of perfectionism08:18 – Trusting employee judgment09:01 – Breaking micromanagement habits09:46 – Empowering employees with responsibility10:59 – Recognizing when tasks return to the owner11:50 – Teaching commander’s intent12:37 – Creating clarity during delegation13:02 – Building confidence through communication13:42 – Avoiding “blank slate” confusion14:36 – Recognizing leadership potential in employees17:02 – Signs employees are ready for more authority17:24 – Scaling responsibility successfully18:36 – Humor and culture in leadership19:56 – Turning mistakes into learning opportunities21:57 – The importance of systems and oversight23:35 – One task every owner should stop doing immediately24:30 – Systems that reduce owner workload26:14 – Detecting reverse delegation27:07 – Owners as the biggest bottleneck28:02 – Final thoughts: you’re the problem—and the solution • Hugh McPherson Workforce Turnaround Book https://a.co/d/0bnEqEsr 🎧 Listen to the full episode and explore more resources here:Positive Business Action Linktree: https://linktr.ee/positive.business.action The biggest obstacle to effective delegation usually isn’t your employees—it’s your inability to let go. When you create clear systems, communicate expectations, and trust your team, you unlock the ability to scale your business without carrying every task yourself. #Leadership #Delegation #BusinessGrowth #Entrepreneurship #Management #SmallBusiness #TeamBuilding #LeadershipDevelopment #BusinessSystems #Productivity

    Mastering Delegation: How to Stop Micromanaging and Scale Your Business

  5. Apr 23

    How to Market Your Agritourism Event: Sell More Tickets & Build a Stronger Brand

    Mastering Agritourism Event Marketing with Channing Muller How do you turn a farm event into an experience people can’t stop talking about—and can’t wait to come back to? In this episode, Channing Muller shares proven strategies for elevating your farm, festival, or agritourism business through smarter marketing, stronger branding, and unforgettable guest experiences. From creating pre-event buzz to maximizing post-event engagement, this conversation is packed with practical tactics you can apply immediately. If you want to attract more visitors, improve conversions, and create a consistent brand people remember, this episode is for you. • How to create compelling event content that drives attendance• Why cohesive branding matters across multiple events and platforms• Using landing pages, email segmentation, and referral programs effectively• How signage should guide—not overwhelm—your guests• Building anticipation with FOMO and social proof• The connection between strong marketing and higher profitability• How to create content pillars that keep your audience engaged year-round• Using tools like Canva and OpenAI’s ChatGPT to simplify content creation• The biggest mistakes businesses make with logos, signs, and email campaigns 00:00 – Introduction to Channing Muller and her expertise00:50 – How journalism shaped her marketing approach02:05 – Matching digital storytelling with onsite experiences03:26 – Building anticipation and leveraging FOMO04:52 – Why showcasing event highlights matters06:11 – Planning engagement before the event begins07:42 – Content delivery through photos, videos, and social proof09:16 – Why capturing content during events is critical10:17 – Shortcut strategies for better festival marketing11:19 – Connecting marketing efforts directly to profitability12:02 – Leads vs. potential attendees13:00 – Segmenting audiences for better messaging15:04 – Avoiding the “blast everyone” email mistake16:42 – Personalization and voice in email campaigns19:07 – Using Canva Magic Resize + AI support20:44 – Why custom landing pages outperform generic ones23:00 – Writing email subject lines that get clicks25:22 – Teaser images and click-to-reveal tactics27:29 – Fun, engaging promotions that drive attention28:52 – Referral programs and share incentives34:37 – Unifying diverse event branding37:25 – Building content pillars for long-term consistency41:07 – The “nugget theory” of signage44:12 – Ethical and practical use of AI tools49:37 – Maintaining brand consistency52:24 – Smart logo placement and subtle branding55:37 – Why less branding is often better branding58:39 – Encouraging organic social sharing59:23 – Creating content between events64:44 – The single most important landing page element66:33 – Evaluating ad spend and ROI69:02 – Building one strong brand across multiple events73:48 – Capturing content for future marketing75:28 – Channing’s “Productivity in Pockets” guide • TicketSpice for registration and referrals• Channing’s Website:https://dcmcommunications.com• Productivity in Pockets Guide: https://dcmcommunications.com/productivity-in-pockets-agritourism-edition/ Find Channing on social media!https://www.instagram.com/dcmcommunications/https://www.linkedin.com/in/channingmuller/🎧 Listen to other episodes and explore more resources here:Positive Business Action: https://linktr.ee/positive.business.action Link in bio Great marketing isn’t about doing more—it’s about creating the right message, for the right people, at the right time. From stronger branding to smarter event promotion, mastering these strategies can transform your agritourism business from “just another event” into an unforgettable destination. #Agritourism #EventMarketing #FarmMarketing #BusinessGrowth #MarketingStrategy #CustomerExperience #Branding #Entrepreneurship #FestivalMarketing #SmallBusiness

    How to Market Your Agritourism Event: Sell More Tickets & Build a Stronger Brand

  6. Apr 15

    Stop Underpricing: How to Charge More and Grow Your Agritourism Business

    Unlocking Pricing Strategies in Agritourism with Maureen Ballatori What if the biggest opportunity in your agritourism business isn’t more visitors—but how you price your experience? In this episode, Maureen Ballatori, CEO of Agency29, breaks down the psychology behind pricing and how farms and attractions can increase revenue, stand out, and create unforgettable guest experiences. From premium pricing to decoy strategies and brand differentiation, this conversation is packed with practical, real-world insights you can apply immediately—whether you’re a small farm or a growing attraction. • The psychology behind how customers perceive pricing• How to confidently implement premium pricing and anchoring• Using decoy pricing to influence purchasing decisions• Why premiumization is key to standing out in agritourism• How to test new ideas without taking on major risk• Real-world pricing strategies from farms and entertainment venues• Common pricing mistakes and mindset shifts to avoid• How branding and experience design impact revenue• Creating memorable moments that increase customer spend and loyalty Timestamps: 00:00 – Introduction: psychology of pricing00:24 – Maureen’s background in agriculture and marketing01:14 – Consumer perception and pricing strategy01:40 – Agritourism’s role in farm business03:03 – Revenue insights and financial breakdowns07:50 – Financial discipline and saying no11:11 – Premium offerings and anchoring13:38 – Trial-and-error pricing strategies15:15 – Bundling and pricing tactics for small farms17:08 – Premiumization and high-end experiences18:36 – Learning from other industries22:30 – Branding, novelty, and collectibles30:40 – Decoy pricing in action32:59 – Social media-driven food and experiences37:37 – Focus and brand mastery41:45 – High-ticket experiences44:24 – Testing and piloting ideas50:08 – Timing, anticipation, and memory51:39 – Increasing engagement and spending55:15 – When to pivot or double down58:55 – Spilled Salt60:00 – Creative branding and closing thoughts To learn more from Maureen Ballatori, visit: • Agency29 - https://agency29.com/• Maureen Ballatori Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/maureenballatori Tune in to Maureen's podcast Spilled Salt! Available on your favorite podcast platform!• Spilled Salt 🎧 Find all episodes, resources, and platforms here:Positive Business Action Linktree: https://linktr.ee/positive.business.action Pricing isn’t just about numbers—it’s about perception, experience, and value. When done right, it becomes one of the most powerful tools to grow your business and stand out in a crowded market. #Agritourism #PricingStrategy #BusinessGrowth #Entrepreneurship #MarketingStrategy #CustomerExperience #SmallBusiness #Branding #FarmBusiness #RevenueGrowth

    Stop Underpricing: How to Charge More and Grow Your Agritourism Business

  7. Apr 6

    Are You Properly Covered? Agritourism Insurance & Risk Management Explained

    What’s the biggest risk in agritourism—and are you actually covered for it? In this episode, we sit down with Kim Ayers from Risk Services Levitt to break down the essential role of insurance and risk management in protecting your farm, your guests, and your business. From liability coverage to signage, vendor risks, and real-world claims, this conversation clears up common misconceptions and gives you practical strategies to reduce risk, stay compliant, and operate with confidence. Whether you're running a corn maze, pumpkin patch, or full-scale agritourism attraction, this episode is a must-listen for safeguarding your operation and planning for growth. • The essential insurance coverage for agritourism operations• Differences between farm liability, general liability, and umbrella policies• How attractions like corn mazes, jump pads, and inflatables impact coverage• The importance of proper signage and inherent risk notices• Best practices for handling incidents, documentation, and claims• How business structures (LLCs, corporations) affect liability exposure• Managing risks with third-party vendors like food trucks and rentals• Choosing the right insurance carrier as your business grows• Avoiding coverage gaps with strong contracts and risk planning 00:00 – Introduction to agritourism risk management02:06 – Key risks when opening farms to the public03:37 – Farm liability vs. general liability04:13 – Overview of essential policies06:10 – Scaling attractions and insurance impact07:38 – Application tips and working with agents08:59 – Preparing for audits and projections10:33 – Signage requirements and updates11:26 – Inherent risk protections12:56 – Incident response: what to do (and avoid)14:00 – Guest safety and reporting protocols17:44 – Managing attractive nuisances19:41 – Real-world claims examples23:27 – Documentation and handling incidents25:19 – De-escalation and liability prevention27:56 – Claims development over time29:47 – Insurance market cycles34:49 – Industry trends and challenges37:49 – Business structures and coverage gaps41:13 – Landowner vs. operator liability43:14 – Vendor and subcontractor risks45:51 – Certificates of insurance explained47:57 – Growth and evolving coverage needs49:16 – Umbrella insurance simplified53:50 – Industry outlook and opportunities Any questions? Get in contact with Kim Ayers! https://www.leavitt.com/louisiana/staff/kim-ayers?r=search?p=staff • Risk Services Levitt• Understanding Umbrella Liability Insurance• Inherent Risk Signage (Sample State Guidelines) Find all episodes, resources, and platforms here:Positive Business Action Linktree: https://linktr.ee/positive.business.action Link in bio Effective agritourism operations aren’t just about creating great experiences—they’re about managing risk proactively so you can grow with confidence and protect what you’ve built. #Agritourism #RiskManagement #Insurance #SmallBusiness #FarmBusiness #Liability #Entrepreneurship #BusinessGrowth #SafetyFirst #Operations

    Are You Properly Covered? Agritourism Insurance & Risk Management Explained

  8. Mar 26

    How to Build a Strong Company Culture and Grow Through Crisis

    Building Culture, Innovating Through Crisis, and Growing with Purpose | Ticket Spice What does it take to turn a family business into a thriving tech company—while building a culture people actually love being part of? In this episode, Eric Knopf and Shadi Hayek from TicketSpice share how they transformed their business through resilience, innovation, and a deep commitment to culture. From navigating the uncertainty of COVID-19 to developing new products and strengthening their team, they reveal how intentional leadership and bold experimentation helped them not only survive—but grow stronger. You’ll also learn how focusing on people, customer experience, and continuous improvement can unlock new opportunities in the evolving experiential event industry. • The origin story of TicketSpice and the meaning behind the brand• How COVID-19 forced innovation and accelerated product development• Building and scaling a positive, resilient company culture• Why hiring for character and consistency matters most• Practical ways to retain talent and create a strong team environment• Trends shaping the experiential event and tech industries• Leveraging personalization and real-time engagement to increase revenue• The top ways to capture more revenue and reduce missed opportunities• Creating a family-like culture in a growing tech company• Why bold experimentation (even imperfect) drives long-term success 00:00 – Welcome & introduction02:06 – Eric’s background and early insights into web-based software04:26 – The genesis of TicketSpice06:15 – Evolution into specialized event platforms09:11 – Branding and the origin of “TicketSpice”12:17 – COVID-19 impact and crisis response13:12 – Lessons learned from the pandemic16:00 – Pivoting to virtual and hybrid event solutions17:29 – Building a resilient team culture24:23 – Maintaining culture during growth25:00 – Creating a team that genuinely cares28:28 – Hiring for character and community32:32 – Talent acquisition strategies35:17 – Encouraging recognition and positivity37:11 – Leadership, trust, and transparency42:26 – Trends in experiential events50:31 – Data, automation, and personalization54:53 – Maximizing revenue opportunities56:48 – Upselling and enhancing experiences58:29 – Post-event engagement strategies59:49 – Rapid-fire questions61:27 – Embracing experimentation63:00 – Closing thoughts Find more information about the services TicketSpice provides here:https://bit.ly/TicketSpiceFind all episodes, resources, and platforms here:Positive Business Action Linktree: https://linktr.ee/positive.business.action Great businesses aren’t built by accident—they’re built through intentional culture, adaptability, and innovation. #BusinessGrowth #CompanyCulture #Leadership #Entrepreneurship #CustomerExperience #TechStartup #SmallBusiness #EventIndustry #Innovation #TeamBuilding

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This is where agritourism meets real-world action. Hosted by Hugh McPherson, a longtime leader in the agritourism and attractions space, this podcast dives into the stories behind family farms, campgrounds, fall festivals, and entertainment businesses. Hugh shares honest conversations, practical ideas, and lessons learned from over 30 years in the industry—along with interviews with people who are out there making it happen. It’s positive, lighthearted, and packed with takeaways you can actually use. You’ll feel right at home here. Join us! https://linktr.ee/positive.business.action

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    Hugh McPherson and Guests
  • Years Active
    2026
  • Episodes
    21
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