The Lawyers Podcast

Awais ul Haq

Welcome to The Lawyer Podcast, the show for legal leaders who are building the future of the industry. Being a great lawyer is different from running a great law firm. On this show, we move beyond case law to discuss the business of law. We interview managing partners, general counsels, and industry innovators about scaling operations, leveraging technology, and mastering leadership. Whether you are looking to streamline your intake, hire better associates, or simply grow your revenue, The Lawyer Podcast gives you the playbook. Hosted by Awais Haq.

  1. Aug 22

    The Ultimate Guide to Referral Marketing for Lawyers | With Delisi Friday

    In this episode, host Awais dives deep into the world of referral marketing for law firms with legal business development expert Delisi Friday. Together, they explore how trial lawyers and legal practices can build, nurture, and scale a referral network to drive consistent firm growth. Delisi breaks down the key difference between marketing and sales, outlines the four distinct referral audiences, and explains why even direct practice-area competitors can become invaluable referral partners. The conversation also covers practical strategies for handling bad-fit cases, navigating ethical fee-sharing considerations, and utilizing free channels like LinkedIn to turn cold connections into warm business relationships.Beyond basic networking tactics, the discussion addresses the common hurdles faced by solo practitioners and associate attorneys trying to become rainmakers. Delisi highlights how to leverage simple tools and team resources to automate staying top-of-mind with past clients. Finally, they address the evolving landscape of the legal industry, examining why referral marketing remains superior to traditional paid advertising and why human connection will remain irreplaceable despite the rise of AI and private equity in law.Timestamps- 01:08 – Who is Delisi?- 02:35 – What is Referral Marketing?- 04:29 – Marketing vs. Sales- 06:00 – Attorney-to-Attorney Referrals- 10:09 – Rejecting Bad-Fits- 14:20 – Partnering with Competitors- 17:24 – Ethics & Referral Fees- 21:37 – Time, Team, and Tools- 25:44 – How Do New Attorneys Get Referrals- 30:25 – Winning on LinkedIn- 39:00 – Referrals vs. Paid Ads- 43:29 – Inside the Pocket Docket- 47:44 – AI and Private EquityAbout the GuestDelisi Friday runs *First Call Friday* and is the creator of the *Pocket Docket* community, helping trial lawyers grow their practices through targeted referral marketing. With a deep background in legal business development, including years spent scaling personal injury firms and serving as Chief of Staff for top attorney John Robbins, she specializes in training solos, associates, and established firms on turning relationships into sustainable revenue.About the HostAwais Haq is the CEO of Time Technologies LLC, a law firm marketing agency and legal tech partner built exclusively for U.S. law firms to help them automate intake, streamline legal workflows, and grow predictably.#LawFirmMarketing #ReferralMarketing #LegalBusiness #LawyersOnLinkedIn #AttorneyNetworking #LegalGrowth #PersonalInjuryLaw #LawFirmGrowth

  2. Aug 15

    Growing an Estate Planning Law Firm | With Andrew Rosenberg

    What does it take to run an estate planning firm for over 30 years while staying as authentic to yourself as can be? This episode features Andrew Rosenberg, an Estate Planning Attorney from South Florida. We explore the process of writing his book “If You Don’t Plan, You’re Stupid,” culture and relationships within Rosenberg Law, as well as maintaining boundaries in a professional setting. Andrew shares with us his unique way of employing humour and transparency within his interactions, and maintaining strong, authentic relationships with clients. There are also two very charming dogs here. Timestamps- 00:01:08 - Intro- 00:02:18 - Writing “If You Don’t Plan, You’re Stupid”- 00:07:28 - Finding a Readership- 00:08:56 - More of Writing “If You Don’t Plan, You’re Stupid”- 00:13:20 - Reading Level and Legalese- 00:18:07 - Humour with Clients- 00:25:30 - Boundary with Clients and Staff- 00:28:29 - Chasing After Clients- 00:33:42 - Dealing With Pricing Objections- 00:38:04 - Relationship With a Clients’ Family- 00:42:06 - Qualification and Disqualification CriteriaResources & Downloads📥 Growth Playbooks: https://tinyurl.com/y8uk44fr📊 Book a Strategic Law Firm Growth Audit: https://tinyurl.com/3k7dzhcaMeet the GuestAndrew Rosenberg is an estate planning, elder law, and probate located in Coral Springs, Florida with over 30 years of legal experience. Known for his approachable, humorous style and blunt trademark "If You Don't Plan, You're Stupid," Andrew runs an innovative legal practice focused on strong client relationships, practical marketing, and accessible legal education. Meet the HostAwais Haq is the CEO of Time Technologies LLC, a law firm marketing agency and legal tech partner built exclusively for U.S. law firms to help them automate intake, streamline legal workflows, and grow predictably.#EstatePlanning #LegalMarketing #LawFirmGrowth #ElderLaw #AndrewRosenberg #ClientRetention #LegalPractice #EstatePlanningAttorney

  3. Aug 8

    Does Culture Beat Strategy in Modern Law Firms? | With Kaela King

    In this episode, I sit down with Kaela, Managing Partner at the prestigious personal injury law firm Cooper Elliott. Kaela shares her unique career history, having transitioned from a background in education lasting a decade and non-profit leadership to serving as a two-time federal law clerk, litigator, and ultimately managing partner. She discusses how skills like "backwards planning" and project management carried over from teaching to law, why Cooper Elliott prioritizes the human touch over offshore or total AI automation for client care, and how she co-manages a litigation firm while maintaining an active trial practice. The conversation covers key insights of a legal character, career advice for students and young attorneys, and how to stay true to your personal values in whatever circumstances you may be.Timestamps- 00:00:50 – Introduction- 00:04:01 – Taking a Non-Linear Path- 00:06:00 – Role of AI in Cooper Elliott- 00:10:48 – Flexibility and Figuring Things Out- 00:12:10 – Advice for Law Students- 00:17:25 – Talent and Growth- 00:18:20 – Co-Managing a Law Firm- 00:21:50 – Value that the Client Gives You- 00:25:25 – Unqualified Clients and Tire-Kickers- 00:27:50 – Having a Predictable Timeline- 00:30:27 – Making Decisions in a Law Firm- 00:33:36 – Best Hiring Practices- 00:36:20 – Culture in Cooper Elliott- 00:38:54 – Why Choose Cooper ElliottAbout the GuestKaela is a Trial Lawyer and Managing Partner at Cooper Elliott, a complex personal injury law firm based in Ohio. Prior to her legal career, she spent a decade as an educator in high-poverty school districts and directed an education-focused non-profit. After earning her law degree, she served as a two-time federal law clerk before entering private practice. At Cooper Elliott, she specializes in plaintiff-side litigation while co-leading the firm’s strategy and operations.About the HostAwais Haq is the CEO of Time Technologies LLC, a law firm marketing agency and legal tech partner built exclusively for U.S. law firms to help them automate intake, streamline legal workflows, and grow predictably.#LawFirmManagement #TrialLawyer #LegalCareer #ManagingPartner #LegalMarketing #LawSchoolAdvice #Litigation #CareerTransition

  4. Aug 1

    Why Lawyers Burn Out On Perfectionism | With Bob Martin

    Lawyers and professionals spend far too much time growing their practice, and thus forget to reflect on the real point of it all: who they want to become and the life they really want to live. Lawyers tend to over-rely on transactional relationships and chase social media validation. Maintaining this stiff, stagnant facade leads to burnout and a loss of their actual identity. On the contrary, long-term fulfilment may lie in something a little more balanced: professional growth which doesn’t come at the cost of self-awareness, intentionality and deep human connection.Moving past the facade of success, fame and wealth, a meaningful career is built on more internal matters. An attorney must reflect upon themselves and where they are, and they must be curious about people, experiences, discomforts. No matter what, one’s core values must stay constant and present.In this episode, we sit down with Bob Martin - retired trial attorney, clinical social worker, meditation mentor, and law professor. He breaks down how lawyers can navigate perfectionism, build authentic relationships, maintain neuroplasticity and design their practices with real motivation.Timestamps: 00:01:55 – The Transactional Culture 00:06:45 – Social Media Pressure on Lawyers 00:08:18 – Designing a Life vs. Just Growing a Practice 00:09:58 – Authentic Identity & The Social Mask 00:19:23 – AI Affirmations vs. Genuine Relationships 00:21:40 – Moving Past Failure00:26:31 – Critical Thinking and Brain Plasticity 00:32:10 – Discomfort and Burnout 00:37:05 – Generosity and Negative Thoughts 00:41:43 – Gratitude 00:47:13 – Redefining Success in the Legal ProfessionResource & Downloads: 📥 Growth Playbooks: https://tinyurl.com/y8uk44fr📊 Book a Strategic Law Firm Growth Audit: https://tinyurl.com/3k7dzhcaAbout the Guest:Bob is a retired Trial Attorney, Clinical Social Worker, Meditation Mentor and Law Professor at Elon University. He draws on a lifetime navigating the specific space between power, pain and transformative inner growth, thus able to provide a distinct perspective on living truly, overcoming societal pressure, and finding genuine peace in high-pressure professions.Connect with Bob Martin on LinkedIn: /bob-martin-jd-msw-cmt-995b30127About the Host:Awais Haq is the CEO of Time Technologies LLC, a law firm marketing agency and legal tech partner built exclusively for U.S. law firms to help them automate intake, streamline legal workflows, and grow predictably.Connect with Awais Haq on LinkedIn: /awaishaq-edtechgrowth#LegalMarketing #LawFirmGrowth #LegalTech #LawyerMindset #LegalOperations #WorkLifeBalance #LegalCareer #MindfulnessForLawyers #AttorneyGrowth

  5. Jul 25

    Building a Law Firm that outlasts you | With Scherrie Prince

    You need secure, technical setups that can specifically handle growth in order to scale a law firm. At the same time, relying only on generic SAAS and fully automation where there is no human in the loop at all is inadvisable. It fails to build the necessary deep trust and protection for clients navigating important life events and crises. At the end of the day, your firm’s real growth comes from four pillars: specialized positioning, smooth intake, ethical AI integration, and high-touch client service. In this episode, we sit down with "Legacy Architect" Sherry L. Prince to break down the exact strategies for merging business and estate planning, bringing AI into your workflows safely, and building a firm designed to last. Timestamps:- 00:00:00 – Scherrie Prince- 00:02:50 – Connecting with People- 00:04:41 – Qualifying Prospects - 00:07:43 – Niche Specialization- 00:08:28 – Differentiating with White-Glove Service- 00:09:59 – Recurring Value- 00:12:18 – Why AI Can't Replace Strategy- 00:15:10 – Using AI ethically - 00:17:41 – Integrating Tools Safely via APIs- 00:19:00 – Skepticality of Lawyers- 00:21:57 – Overcoming Camera Hesitation- 00:23:40 – Law Students should learn Marketing- 00:24:36 – Vanity Metrics and Audience- 00:27:00 – A Lawyer's Sales Funnel - 00:29:15 – Strategic Partnerships- 00:32:00 – Delegating tasks to Staff- 00:35:31 – The Importance of a Physical Office- 00:38:43 – Is AI taking over Junior Legal Jobs- 00:41:46 – Is Law still a Good Degree for Students- 00:43:38– The Future of Lawyers- 00:50:14 – Is the Agentic AI Age Real?Resource & Downloads:📥 Growth Playbooks: https://tinyurl.com/y8uk44fr📊 Book a Strategic Law Firm Growth Audit: https://tinyurl.com/3k7dzhcaAbout the Guest:Sherry L. Prince is an attorney, author, speaker, and the "Legacy Architect." She specializes in helping business owners and families merge their business and estate plans to protect their assets and build lasting generational wealth. About the Host:Awais Haq is the CEO of Time Technologies LLC, a law firm marketing agency and legal tech partner built exclusively for U.S. law firms to help them automate intake, streamline legal workflows, and grow predictably.Connect with Awais Haq on LinkedIn: /awaishaq-edtechgrowth#LegalMarketing #LawFirmGrowth #LegalTech #LawFirmROI #LegalOperations #LawFirmAutomation #EstatePlanning #LegalAI #AttorneyMarketing

  6. Jul 16

    How Donald Trump's Attorney Lands Ultra-High-Net-Worth Clients

    Many lawyers make the mistake of competing on price. This turns their firms into stressful volume operations instead of building high-value practices based on relationships. Dealing with difficult clients, losing time to endless cold calls, and failing to define a clear niche makes it incredibly difficult to grow and maintain a premium legal firm. Google Ads do not attract ultra-high-net-worth (UHNW) individuals and you cannot chase them with those; you must instead position yourself as a trust partner and create an exclusive environment where these clients come to you. You must combine strict client due diligence, clear boundaries in tiered agreements, and your network. This means you can then stop chasing leads and start commanding value. In this episode, host Awais Haq sits down with Evan Turk, founding attorney of Turk Law Group and personal attorney to Donald Trump. Evan shares his 15-year journey from the finance and insurance world to building a boutique estate planning, asset protection, and tax optimization firm in West Palm Beach, Florida. He also discusses his active advocacy work with the American Rights Alliance, a charity dedicated to defending First Amendment civil liberties. Strategic Timestamps: 00:01:07 – Financial and Insurance Roots 00:03:33 – Framing the Value Statement 00:08:05 – The Sunday Polo Strategy 00:18:51 – Selling to Wealthy Clients 00:20:41 – Client Due Diligence Reports 00:22:33 – Tiered Law Firm Pricing 00:25:11 – Using Zoom and AI 00:26:39 – Hiring for Core Roles 00:30:35 – Running a Referral-Only Firm 00:36:15 – Defending First Amendment Rights 00:41:43 – Breaking Down the Divide Resources & Contact 📥 Download Our High-Authority Growth Playbook: https://tinyurl.com/y8uk44fr 📊 Book a Strategic Law Firm Growth Audit: https://tinyurl.com/3k7dzhca 💼 Connect with Awais Haq on LinkedIn: /awaishaq-edtechgrowth 🔗 Visit the Turk Law Group Website: www.turklawgroup.com 👤 ABOUT THE GUEST — EVAN TURK Evan Turk, Esq. is the founding attorney of Turk Law Group in West Palm Beach, Florida. With over 15 years of experience, he has built a successful boutique practice focusing on asset protection, estate planning, and tax-optimized structures for high-net-worth families. Transitioning from a background in finance and insurance, Evan developed a referral-based business model. He is also a personal attorney to Donald Trump and an active leader in the American Rights Alliance. 👤 ABOUT THE HOST — AWAIS HAQ Awais Haq is the CEO of Time Technologies LLC, a law firm marketing agency and legal tech partner built exclusively for U.S. law firms. Time Technologies helps firms grow through digital marketing, automated intake systems, and optimized workflow automation. #EstatePlanning #AssetProtection #LawFirmGrowth #LegalMarketing #HighNetWorth #FirstAmendment #LawFirmOperations #LegalTech #BusinessOfLaw #TimeTechnologies

  7. Jul 11

    How AI is Rewriting Law

    Many attorneys fall into the trap of viewing legal AI as a "wait and see" game, only to watch their traditional practice fall behind. In the meantime tech-driven law firms start to dominate the industry. Relying purely on traditional hourly billing or letting AI handle legal analysis puts your firm at serious risk for ethical compliance violations and fails to satisfy what modern clients expect. The truth is, your law firm operations infrastructure needs to be built on secure automated workflows, time architecture, and authentic thought leadership. These are the true drivers of sustainable business growth and client acquisition. If you aren't actively changing your business model to lower your delivery costs and maximize efficiency, you are effectively subsidizing your competition's growth in an incredibly competitive market. In this exclusive interview, we move past basic legal tech hype to focus on law firm management and practice growth strategies. Learn how to combine expert legal judgement, rapid business feedback loops, and human trust to position your boutique practice or independent firm as the go-to authority in your target market. Resources & Contact📥 Download Our High-Authority Growth Playbook for Google Ads:https://www.timetechnologiesllc.com/resources/whitepapers/the-disappearing-dollars-or-google-gclid?utm_source=linkedin&utm_medium=podcast&utm_campaign=gclid 📊 Book a Strategic Law Firm Growth Audit: https://www.timetechnologiesllc.com/contact?utm_source=youtube&utm_medium=podcast&utm_campaign=contact💼 Connect with Awais Haq on LinkedIn: /awaishaq-edtechgrowth👤 ABOUT THE GUEST:Danny Carpio is an organizational architect, systems-builder, and licensed lawyer who helps professional businesses thrive amidst tech disruption. Moving away from traditional corporate routes, he focused his career on long-term risk strategy, creating custom training models and highly efficient workflows for independent practices. Today, as a strategic advisor and founder of KSmart, he teaches professionals how to be completely honest with their business setups, build strong local operations, and focus on reclaiming control of their time.👤 ABOUT THE HOST — AWAIS HAQAwais Haq is the CEO of Time Technologies LLC, a law firm marketing agency and legal tech partner built exclusively for U.S. law firms. Time Technologies helps firms grow through law firm digital marketing, automate their intake with law firm marketing automation and intake technology, and run smarter operations through legal workflow automation.#legal #ai

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Welcome to The Lawyer Podcast, the show for legal leaders who are building the future of the industry. Being a great lawyer is different from running a great law firm. On this show, we move beyond case law to discuss the business of law. We interview managing partners, general counsels, and industry innovators about scaling operations, leveraging technology, and mastering leadership. Whether you are looking to streamline your intake, hire better associates, or simply grow your revenue, The Lawyer Podcast gives you the playbook. Hosted by Awais Haq.