The Epstein Files with Sam and Amy

Amy Nelson and Samantha Ettus

A daily chat about the Epstein Files between two friends - Sam and Amy - who don't know any more than you do about the truth but who know many, many people who've played a role in the saga. Sam is a best-selling author and entrepreneur. Amy is a litigator and VC backed founder. Drink your coffee and tune in as we run down our take on the ever-evolving world of Jeffrey Epstein and his crimes.

Episodes

  1. FEB 25

    The Epstein Files with Sam and Amy: Day 10

    More than 12 Epstein victims were seated in the chamber as guests of Democratic lawmakers at the State of the Union — and Trump didn't acknowledge them once. Sam notes that virtually no mainstream outlet covered this either, meaning the silence was effectively doubled. Amy isn't surprised: ignoring victims has been the tool of choice for powerful men throughout this entire story. Pam Bondi and the limits of DOJ independence. Sam and Amy dig into who actually has the power to release the files. Amy makes the legal case that the DOJ is an independent agency — and that Pam Bondi could technically release everything tomorrow, get fired, and still have done the right thing. But the pattern holds across administrations: Merrick Garland didn't release anything either, and neither did any attorney general before him. Bill Gates apologizes — sort of. In an internal town hall at the Gates Foundation, Gates reportedly apologized to staff for two extramarital affairs and for bringing Gates Foundation executives into multiple meetings with Epstein — including meetings that took place after Epstein's 2008 guilty plea. Sam and Amy discuss what it means that he's finally saying something, why fear of criminal liability may have kept others quiet, and whether Epstein used the relationship as leverage. They also push on whether Gates himself should be considered predatory, given his history of relationships with women who worked under him. The billionaire referral network. How did Epstein get so deeply embedded with so many powerful people? Sam and Amy theorize that there was an informal whisper network among billionaires — Epstein as the fixer everyone quietly passed along. Once someone like Leon Black vouches for you, the vetting is assumed. The darker implication: if Leon Black is introducing you to Epstein, he's made a judgment about what kind of person you are. Stephen Hawking and the island question. Hawking's repeated visits to Epstein Island are back in the headlines. Amy asks the question she keeps coming back to: why would anyone who could afford Richard Branson's island or a luxury resort go to what she describes as a "gaudy, trashy" private island with nothing to do — unless that was the point? Sam adds nuance: for academics and scientists, an invitation to a private island surrounded by billionaires was likely extraordinary, not suspicious. Nobel laureate steps down from Columbia. Richard Axel, who won the 2004 Nobel Prize for his work on the brain's olfactory system, resigned from his position at Columbia due to his Epstein affiliation. Amy sits with the frustration of it — that a scientist doing genuinely life-saving work is losing his platform while politicians with far more direct involvement stroll through the State of the Union untouched. She and Sam land on a new term for the people at the center of all this: not "the billionaire class" — the untouchables. Did Elon Musk visit the island? Musk is denying he ever went. Amy says she believes him — not because he's innocent of wanting to go, but because she thinks the timing or invitation may have fallen through. Sam notes something more interesting: Musk keeps targeting Reid Hoffman on social media, using Epstein specifically as the weapon. The backstory behind that feud is the subject of the next episode. Next episode: The Musk vs. Hoffman battle, why Epstein is at the center of it, and five new developments from the files.

    18 min

  2. FEB 25

    The Epstein Files with Sam and Amy: Day 9

    Sam and Amy kick off a new format — breaking down the biggest Epstein-related news from the past 24 hours, rapid-fire. The State of the Union confrontation. More than a dozen Epstein victims, including Virginia Giuffre's brother and sister-in-law, were invited by Democratic lawmakers to attend Trump's State of the Union address. Sam and Amy discuss whether Trump will acknowledge them or simply look away — and note that Pam Bondi has already set that precedent. Norway's former Prime Minister attempts suicide. Jagland, who is under investigation in connection with Epstein, attempted to take his own life after learning he was being investigated. Amy reflects on what this moment means for the victims who have spent 20 years fighting to stay alive while waiting for any accountability at all. Following Epstein's money — and who's blocking the trail. Nearly all of Epstein's fortune is now believed to trace back to Les Wexner. Amy explains that the DOJ could subpoena every relevant bank record in a matter of days — and almost certainly already has them. The question is why they won't release them. She also revisits the Leon Black "tax advice" payments of $20 million a year, calling it what it is: not a real thing. Columbus, Ohio keeps delivering. A newly opened hospital wing in Columbus bears Les Wexner's name — and its OB-GYN department is named after Dr. Mark Landon, an OB-GYN who was on Epstein's retainer at $35,000 per quarter. Nurses at Ohio State are calling for Wexner's name to be removed. The doctors are not. Fifty pages the public may never see. A woman interviewed by the FBI in 2019 accused Trump of forcing her to perform oral sex at age 14. Her 50-page FBI interview — covering abuse by both Epstein and Trump — has not been released. Sam asks the question everyone is asking: what would it actually take to get these files out? Who polices the DOJ? Amy breaks down the uncomfortable legal reality: the DOJ is currently violating the federal law requiring release of the Epstein files, and there is effectively no mechanism to hold them accountable. No president from either party has meaningfully pushed for full disclosure — and Amy is increasingly skeptical any ever will, given how many powerful people the files likely implicate. The episode closes with a preview of tomorrow: Sam and Amy will read some of the more explicit accusations from the files without commentary, and dig into a report that Virginia Giuffre recently traveled to Pacific Palisades to confront a woman she says trafficked and assaulted her.

    18 min

  3. FEB 25

    The Epstein Files with Sam and Amy: Day 8

    The Epstein Files with Sam & Amy: Accountability, Cover-Ups, and the Men Protecting Each Other The news cycle around the Epstein files keeps accelerating — and Sam and Amy are keeping pace. In this episode, they break down the latest developments, from Peter Attia's quiet departure from CBS to Prince Andrew's arrest, and ask the question that keeps coming up: why does it take this long for consequences to catch up with powerful people? Amy and Sam dig into the deposition of Les Wexner — the Victoria's Secret founder who flew congressional representatives to his Ohio home rather than appearing in Washington — and unpack a jaw-dropping email that may be the most self-incriminating thing in the entire files. Sam brings the conversation to Harvard, Haverford, and Dartmouth, where buildings named after Epstein associates are now facing pressure to come down. They also examine the informal economy Epstein built around himself — not just trafficking young women, but trafficking relationships, settlements, and access — including a $45 million DOJ deal in which Epstein allegedly pocketed $25 million as a fixer despite being a convicted sex offender. And they ask why prominent men like Bill Gates, Reid Hoffman, and Bill Ackman continue to minimize or defend their connections, even as emails in the thousands tell a very different story. Raw, legal-minded, and deeply reported — this is the conversation the mainstream media still isn't fully having.

    18 min

  4. FEB 18

    The Epstein Files with Sam and Amy: Day 7

    We spent hours in the Epstein files. Here's what we found. Not what you'd expect. Not what the headlines tell you. After reading through emails, documents, and court filings, one thing became undeniable: we are not playing the same game as the people in these files. We're not even playing by the same rules. The distance between ordinary life and the world Epstein occupied isn't just financial. It's structural. It's the difference between a system built to protect you and one built to protect them. In this episode, Sam and Amy dig into what the Epstein files actually reveal, including the mechanics of how someone like Epstein operated, who he connected, and why it took this long for any of it to see daylight. What we covered: Epstein wasn't just a predator. He was a fixer. He brokered access to elite schools, private islands, and power brokers at the highest levels of government and finance. He earned $25 million negotiating a settlement between a Rothschild bank and the U.S. government. The abuse and the legitimacy were never separate. They were the same operation. The list of names connected to Epstein is long, but Sam makes an important point: this is a minority of the wealthy and powerful. Most people aren't part of this. The danger is letting the scale of the scandal collapse into cynicism, where we assume everyone at the top is corrupt and stop demanding accountability for the ones who actually are. The conversation got heavy when Amy raised the question of statutes of limitations for child sexual abuse. Her position is clear: there shouldn't be one. Most victims are too young to report before the window closes. The law, as written, protects perpetrators. That's not an accident. It's a choice. And the cultural piece matters here. If Epstein had faced real consequences years earlier, the network doesn't grow the way it grew. The silence wasn't just individual. It was systemic. Where things stand now: Heads are starting to roll. Figures connected to Epstein's network are facing real scrutiny for the first time. Casey Wasserman is already in the crosshairs. The accountability that should have come decades ago is arriving slowly, imperfectly, and with enormous resistance from people who have a lot to lose. But it's arriving. This episode is not a conspiracy theory. It's not a celebrity gossip breakdown. It's a serious look at what happens when power goes unchecked, why victims don't come forward, and what it will actually take to change the systems that made all of this possible.

    17 min

  5. FEB 15

    The Epstein Files with Sam and Amy: Day 6

    Goldman Sachs just let their chief legal counsel resign in five months. She called Jeffrey Epstein "Uncle Jeffrey." Kathy Ruemmler was the White House Counsel under Obama. She was the Deputy Attorney General who prosecuted Enron executives for lying. She famously said of them: "They could have chosen to tell the truth. They chose to lie." And then she spent years lying about her relationship with Jeffrey Epstein. Over 10,000 emails just dropped. Not a "loose professional relationship" like she claimed. He bought her shoes. A Hermès bag. They signed emails "XOXO." He counseled her on her love life, her career decisions, whether to give up her $10,000-a-month New York apartment to become Attorney General. Goldman Sachs stood by her. Until yesterday. When she "resigned." But here's the thing: She doesn't leave until June 30th. Five more months. Five more months of her salary. Five more months representing Goldman Sachs. And CEO David Solomon said he "reluctantly accepted" her resignation, calling her a "mentor" whose departure is "such a huge loss." We've spent years watching powerful institutions protect powerful people while the rest of us beg for basic accountability. And this moment feels different. Not because it's worse than what came before. But because they're not even pretending anymore. They're looking at us and saying: "We know. We don't care. What are you going to do about it?" In this episode, we break down: The Goldman Sachs debacle: Why a Fortune 500 company is defending someone with 10,000 emails to a child traffickerWhat it means when a board of directors (including the former Starbucks CEO) unanimously backs this decisionWhy "she resigned" is the corporate crisis playbook when accountability would cost too much The scope we're just discovering: Ohio Senator John Husted took over $100,000 from Epstein co-conspirator Les Wexner months before voting to block the Epstein filesColumbia University gave Epstein's girlfriend a spot in their dental school (impossible to get into for anyone else)The former Norwegian head of state is facing criminal charges while American institutions circle the wagons The Doug Band revelation: Who was sharing a Blackberry with President Clinton in the early 2000sWhat 10,000+ emails actually reveal when you read them carefullyWhy powerful people believed the truth would never come out Why this is a watershed moment: Europe is prosecuting. America is protecting.The corporatocracy isn't hiding anymore. They're standing there telling us no.What happens when every institution we're supposed to trust is compromised This isn't partisan. It's Trump. It's Clinton. It's Goldman Sachs and Harvard and Dartmouth and the Olympic Committee. It's Casey Wasserman still running LA's Olympic bid despite documented ties to Epstein. It's Les Wexner's name still on Ohio State buildings. We are going to keep covering this until the victims get justice. Not because we think the DOJ will deliver it. But because the rule of law only exists to the extent we enforce it. And right now, enforcement means removing people who abuse power from positions of power. The wave is starting to grow. A bipartisan coalition (Ro Khanna and Thomas Massie) is refusing to let this go. They're willing to lose their seats over it. That's what it takes. So no, we're not "over this." People are just beginning to understand the scope. And we're not stopping until there's accountability.

    18 min

  6. FEB 12

    The Epstein Files with Sam and Amy: Day 5

    Casey Wasserman is overseeing LA's $7 billion Olympic project while his name appears in Epstein flight logs. We need to talk about who gets a pass in America. In this conversation, I sit down with Samantha Ettus to discuss something most people won't touch: Casey Wasserman's documented connections to Jeffrey Epstein, his current role leading the LA Olympic Committee, and what this tells us about accountability in America. We're not speculating. We're reading from court documents. Flight logs. Sealed records that paint a picture no one wants to see. Here's what we cover: The Wasserman Question Why is a man whose name appears in Epstein documents leading a $7 billion public project? Who decided this was acceptable? And why aren't more people asking these questions? The Accountability Gap From the legal system to corporate boards to Olympic committees, we examine who gets held accountable and who gets a pass. Spoiler: It's not random. The Epstein Network We discuss the broader implications of the Epstein case, the institutions that protected him, and the moral responsibilities of those who knew—and those who know now

    18 min

  7. FEB 11

    The Epstein Files with Sam and Amy: Day 4

    In this episode, we dive into the shocking revelations from the recently leaked Epstein files and examine the web of powerful figures connected to this devastating case. We explore the bipartisan Epstein Transparency Act led by Ro Khanna and Thomas Massey, discuss the troubling complicity of those who remained silent, and question the media's role in holding power accountable. From high-profile names to everyday enablers, we confront the uncomfortable truths about systemic abuse and why transparency matters now more than ever. This isn't just a political issue—it's an American issue demanding justice for victims.

    19 min

  8. FEB 10

    The Epstein Files with Sam and Amy Day 3

    This episode explores the disturbing revelations from the Epstein files and examines how wealth, power, and status have led some influential figures to make morally compromising choices. We discuss the complicity of those who turned a blind eye to serious wrongdoing to protect their positions, the normalization of unethical behavior among elites, and why accountability remains so elusive. While not everyone in power is guilty, the silence and inaction of many raise critical questions about our values and what it takes to protect the vulnerable. Join us for an unflinching look at power dynamics, moral responsibility, and how we can demand better from our leaders.

    21 min

  9. FEB 6

    The Epstein Files with Sam and Amy: Day 2

    In this explosive episode, Amy and Sam dig deeper into the newly released Epstein files, examining why powerful institutions continue to protect perpetrators while exposing victims. We start by revisiting Melinda Gates' final interview before her divorce was announced — the one we recorded with her on What's Her Story. When asked what she and Bill last argued about, Melinda carefully answered "time" and who would spend it on what. Now we understand the full context: Bill's connections to Epstein, the Russian escorts, the STDs. The impossible position she was put in as spouse to someone implicated in the files becomes heartbreakingly clear. Then there's the Amy Robach problem. Remember when she was caught on hot mic saying she had the Virginia Giuffre story three years before it aired? ABC killed that interview because they didn't want to lose access to Will and Kate. The network chose a royal photo op over exposing a pedophile. Now that Amy is an independent journalist with her own platform, where is that evidence? If she gave it to DOJ, it probably fell into a black hole. If she gave it to victims' lawyers, it'll likely disappear under an NDA. Either way, there's no public accountability. The New York Times has its own reckoning to face. Former publisher Arthur Sulzberger appears in the files, with Brad Karp (the now-disgraced former chairman of Paul Weiss) and journalist Michael Wolff discussing how Sulzberger could be their "silver bullet" — their leverage, their way to kill stories and prevent transparency. How can the Times report on any of this when their own leadership is implicated? And how does their current CEO, a woman, live with herself knowing her boss and his family were in bed with Epstein? This brings us to the larger question: why won't DOJ prosecute? We're approaching 20 years of failure to hold powerful men accountable, going back to the original Florida investigation. The feds stepped in, gave Epstein a sweetheart non-prosecution deal that covered him and all his co-conspirators — an agreement so broad that Ghislaine Maxwell could legally argue she should never have been charged. The same pattern played out with Diddy: federal Rico charges that are notoriously hard to prove, when state charges could have been devastating. It's almost like someone is intentionally choosing the path of least resistance. But here's what gives us hope: the children are watching. Ronan Farrow became the journalist who took down Harvey Weinstein perhaps because he watched his father — Woody Allen — continue to operate freely in Hollywood after marrying Ronan's stepsister. Ronan saw the world welcome Woody into rooms, including dinners with Jeffrey Epstein, and he said enough. He held the grownups accountable when no one else would. The next generation won't stay silent about what their parents' generation allowed. Your children will know what institutions you chose to represent, what cases you chose to take, what stories you chose to kill. The uncomfortable truth is this: the rule of law only exists to the extent we're willing to enforce it. When powerful men at law firms, media outlets, and government agencies protect each other, they're telling the rest of us the rules don't apply to them. And they're right — unless we demand accountability. The silence ends when we refuse to be complicit. #EpsteinFiles #Accountability #PowerAndPrivilege #InvestigativeJournalism

    20 min

  10. FEB 5

    Welcome to The Epstein Files with Sam and Amy

    Samantha Ettus and Amy Nelson interviewed Melinda Gates on their podcast, What's Her Story with Sam and Amy. It turned out to be Melinda's last pre-divorce discussion. We asked her what she and Bill fought about - and Melinda did NOT say Jeffrey Epstein. But now we know. With this as a starting point, Sam and Amy invite you to join their daily dive into the Epstein Files. From the salacious to the tragic, this saga never seems to end. Who will it catch next

    22 min
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A daily chat about the Epstein Files between two friends - Sam and Amy - who don't know any more than you do about the truth but who know many, many people who've played a role in the saga. Sam is a best-selling author and entrepreneur. Amy is a litigator and VC backed founder. Drink your coffee and tune in as we run down our take on the ever-evolving world of Jeffrey Epstein and his crimes.

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