Steve Jaffe didn't become an expert on layoffs by studying them. He became one by living through four of them. His first layoff devastated him. His fourth barely knocked him off course. In this episode of Pink Slip Pavilion, host Ashley Waddington sits down with Steve Jaffe, author of The Layoff Journey: From Dismissal to Discovery – Navigating the Stages of Grief After Job Loss, to talk about what really happens emotionally after losing your job and why the advice we're often given immediately after a layoff may be exactly what we're not ready to hear. Update your résumé. Start networking. Apply for jobs. Get back out there. But a layoff isn't just a career setback. It's a loss that can shake your identity, confidence, routine, relationships, and sense of what comes next. Steve learned that firsthand. His first layoff came in 2001 during the dot-com crash. He was doing good work, his client was happy, and his agency was happy. But when the client went bankrupt and layoffs followed, Steve internalized the decision. What did I do wrong? He carried shame and embarrassment and eventually spent 18 months out of work. More than two decades and three additional layoffs later, his perspective had completely changed. One of his biggest realizations: Layoffs are math, not merit. Hard work and strong performance don't necessarily protect you from restructuring, shrinking budgets, recessions, pandemics, or changing industries. Losing your job doesn't mean you failed. Over four layoffs, Steve learned how to process the grief of job loss, separate his identity from his job title, rebuild his confidence, and focus on what he could control. Those lessons eventually became The Layoff Journey, a resource designed to help others navigate the experience he wishes he'd understood the first time around. In this episode, we cover: • What four layoffs taught Steve about job loss • Why getting laid off can trigger grief • Shame and embarrassment after losing your job • Why layoffs are often about math, not merit • Separating your identity from your job title • Why you may need to heal before starting the job search • Rebuilding confidence after job loss • How unresolved emotions can affect job interviews • Navigating rejection, ghosting, and unemployment • Building resilience through career setbacks • Deciding whether to pivot, reskill, or stay on your career path • Focusing on what you can control after a layoff • Turning job loss into an intentional redirect • Finding community and support during layoff recovery Steve's message: Heal before you hustle. The layoff wasn't your choice. What comes next can be. If you're navigating a layoff, worried one may be coming, or still carrying the emotional weight of a past job loss, this conversation offers a different way to move forward. Not simply bouncing back, but processing what happened, rebuilding yourself, and intentionally deciding where you want to go next. CONNECT WITH STEVE JAFFE: Book: The Layoff Journey: From Dismissal to Discovery – Navigating the Stages of Grief After Job Loss Website: thestevejaffe.com Instagram: @stevejaffethelayoffjourney LinkedIn: Steve Jaffe Substack: Steve Jaffe Pink Slip Pavilion is a podcast about layoff recovery, job loss, career transitions, career reinvention, entrepreneurship, and turning career disruption into growth. New episodes release every Wednesday.