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Jim O'Leary
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This is where we tell the truth about American healthcare. I created this show because something is clearly broken. We spend trillions of dollars every year. We pay the highest prices in the world.  And patients are still confused, frustrated, and overcharged. That’s not an accident. On this podcast, I break down how the system really works — who controls the money, who sets the prices, and why costs keep rising no matter who is in office. We talk about: Prescription drug pricingPharmacy benefit managersInsurance incentivesHospital consolidationMiddlemen and hidden markupsReal policy solutions that could lower costsI bring in pharmacists, policy experts, physicians, and people on the front lines. We connect the dots between what Washington says… and what patients actually experience. This isn’t about politics. It’s about power. Who has it. Who profits. And how we put it back where it belongs — with patients and doctors. If you want clear explanations without the spin… If you’re tired of paying more every year… If you believe healthcare should be transparent and affordable… You’re in the right place. Subscribe now. Because once you understand how the system really works, you’ll never look at healthcare the same way again.

  1. 5d ago

    The Podiatrist Who Fired Her Insurance Company (And Doubled Her Profit)

    When you call an electrician, you get a price in five minutes. When you call your surgeon for a knee replacement, you get a blank stare. One of them works for you. The other one works for an employer and an insurance company. And until the specialist side of medicine wakes up to that, patients will keep getting shortchanged on both cost and care. In this conversation, I sit down with a board-certified podiatrist who lived the insurance-based model, watched her credit card bills stack up despite a full schedule, and rebuilt her entire practice from the ground up as a new mother in a new city. We talk about the moment she realized she wasn't actually working for her patients, the hidden reason a specialist can only spend six minutes with you, the shocking price gap between a lab your specialist orders and the exact same lab through her own practice, and the direct specialty care model that's quietly spreading across the country. If you're a patient tired of feeling rushed, or a specialist wondering if there's another way to practice medicine, this episode is the map. In this episode, you'll learn: The reason your specialist has only six minutes for your appointment, and what changes the moment they walk away from the traditional modelThe hidden cash-price gap on labs, imaging, and prescriptions that even most doctors don't know existsThe one mindset shift every specialist has to make before they can build a practice that actually works for them and their patientsConnect with Dr. T Nguyen Website: www.teadpm.cpm Website: www.drteapodiatry.com Chapters: 00:00 – Cold Open  01:18 – Meet The Guest  02:22 – Eight Years Of Training And The Real World  04:25 – The New Mom Wake-Up Call  05:46 – Opening Her Own Practice In 2018  07:24 – When You Realize You Work For The Insurance Company  09:47 – Turning The Clock Back To The 1960s  11:13 – The First Year And The Stacked Credit Cards  13:00 – Learning To Have The Money Conversation  14:47 – Why Catastrophic Insurance Should Be The Point  16:15 – Why Direct Care Doesn't Break The System  17:35 – Why Doctors Became The Enemy  18:51 – Why Social Media Changed Everything For Doctors  19:41 – Inside The Practice: Membership, One-Off, And Surgical  21:48 – Ambulatory Surgery Vs Hospital Surgery  25:11 – How She Learned To Price Her Services  27:55 – The Hair Salon Price Comparison  29:15 – Preventive Podiatry And Diabetic Limb Salvage  33:00 – Why Nobody Values A Podiatrist Until They Need One  34:00 – Running A Practice With A Virtual Assistant  36:25 – How To Start Down The Direct Specialty Care Path  38:11 – Building A Patient Funnel Without Insurance  41:48 – Coaching Other Doctors To Do The Same  44:18 – Why Cosmetic Surgery Got Cheaper Than Everything Else  45:47 – The $250 Lab That Should Have Been $12  48:33 – The $9 Vs $19,700 Cancer Drug Story  53:21 – The Biggest Mistake Doctors Make When Going Direct  55:37 – Why Defensive Ordering Is Bankrupting Patients  57:57 – DSC Alliance And Health Sharing Options  59:39 – Why One In Five Claims Get Denied

  2. Oct 12

    Why Your $30,000 Knee Surgery Should Actually Cost $3,000 (And Who's Pocketing The Difference)

    In 1973, Congress passed a law that sounded like a gift. Pay one fee, we'll cover all your medical care. The public loved it. What almost no one realized at the time was that they would never see the price of a medical service again. And when you can't see a price, you can't shop, you can't compare, and you can't win. In this conversation, I sit down with a physician who saw exactly what was coming, walked away from a lucrative anesthesia practice in 1997, and built something almost every expert said was impossible: a facility that posts every price online, that charges a fraction of what the local hospitals charge, and that has quietly become the model that self-funded employers all over America are now flying their employees to. We talk about the counterintuitive relationship between price and quality that almost no one understands, the reason the insurance companies fought harder than the hospitals to shut him down, the surprising truth about why so-called nonprofit hospitals are still ten times more expensive than his, and the movement now spreading state by state that will decide the future of American medicine. If you want to see what American healthcare looks like when it actually works, this is the episode. In this episode, you'll learn: The 1973 law that quietly stripped every American patient of the ability to shop for their own careThe hidden reason the cheapest healthcare in your area is almost always the highest quality, not the other way aroundThe one type of buyer quietly rewriting how surgical care is priced in this country, and why the biggest hospitals in America cannot ignore them anymoreConnect with our guest Keith: Website: surgerycenterok.comAtlas Billing Company: atlasbillingcompany.comFree Market Medical Association: fmma.orgX (Twitter): @SurgeryCenterOKChapters: 00:37 – The Anesthesiologist Who Walked Away  01:44 – The Rise Of The Administrator Class  02:48 – Bankrupting Patients For Carpal Tunnels  04:22 – The Mission That Started It All  05:31 – How To Build A Bundle In One Phone Call  08:16 – Why You Can Shop For Healthcare  09:00 – Why The Insurance Companies Fought Back Hard  11:07 – The Near-Death Experience Of 2005  13:22 – Launching The Website That Changed Everything  14:39 – The Canadians Who Showed Up First  16:06 – Undercutting Nonprofits 10 To 1  17:18 – "Not For Profit" Just Means "Doesn't Pay Tax"  19:31 – Why Physician-Led Care Wins  23:21 – The Nashville Operating Room Tragedy  26:05 – When Billing Machines Get In The Way Of Care  30:00 – Why Price And Quality Are Inverse  33:25 – The Indiana Website That Exposed Everything  37:38 – How Hospitals Spend The Overpayments  39:54 – Site Neutrality And CMS's First Real Move  42:56 – The VA Vitals Story  43:26 – If Your Doctor Works For A Hospital, They Don't Work For You  44:23 – The Free Market Medical Association  50:26 – The Patient Who Just Wanted To Pay Cash  53:11 – The Fiduciary Bomb Coming For Employers  55:57 – Smith Direct Surgical Care Goes National  59:50 – Why Self-Funded Plans Will Lead The Change  01:03:29 – Why We Need To Go Back To The Sixties  01:05:32 – Paying Surgeons What They're Worth  01:07:12 – Why We Turn Some Surgeons Off  01:09:00 – The Movement Spreading State By State  01:10:12 – Why Patients Fear Anesthesia Most

  3. Oct 5

    The $2,000 Trap Congress Set For Disabled Americans (And Nobody Wants To Fix It)

    Every problem in American healthcare I have ever tried to fix somehow traces back to something Congress did decades ago and never went back to look at again. Some of it was well-intentioned. Some of it was worse than that. But all of it is still costing patients today. In this conversation, I sit down with the one person in my life who has seen the American healthcare system from every angle: as a patient, as a mother, as a spouse, and as someone who has watched what really happens inside emergency rooms, operating rooms, and hospital corridors. We walk through the sixty-year-old rule quietly overflowing emergency rooms and prisons with mental health patients, the two-thousand-dollar trap Congress set for disabled Americans, the recent operating room tragedy that should terrify anyone with a surgery coming up, and the one rule change that could quietly fix nine out of ten of these problems overnight. If you have ever felt like nobody in Washington is on your side, this episode gives you exactly what to say when you pick up the phone. In this episode, you'll learn: The 1965 law quietly overflowing your local emergency rooms and prisons with patients who should be getting care insteadThe hidden operating room chain of custody that recently paralyzed four healthy patients going in for a routine surgeryThe single reform every major law in Washington should be required to include from day one that would end the worst legislation without a single new fightChapters: 00:00 – Cold Open  00:14 – Why Congress Should Make Us Nervous  00:36 – The 1965 Rule That Broke Mental Health  02:37 – Why Hospitals Turn Away The Ones Who Need Care Most  04:59 – The $900 Million Bribe Vs Our $48 Rule  06:36 – Medicaid Expansion And The 90 Cent Trap  08:15 – The $2,000 Asset Limit That Traps Disabled Americans  09:52 – The Level Playing Field Standard  11:15 – Why We Need To Sunset Every Big Law  14:00 – The Knee Replacement Tragedy Nobody Expected  15:41 – When The Chain Of Custody Breaks  17:08 – Why More People In The Kitchen Means Worse Food  19:35 – The Fine Line Between Safety And Cost  20:35 – When Common Sense Beats Policy  22:04 – The Vecuronium Override That Killed A Patient  24:32 – Why Overrides Should Never Be Solo  25:20 – The Twin Delivery Emergency  26:56 – When The Patient Trusts You Anyway  28:39 – Inside The 340B Program Scandal  31:39 – How 1,800 Cancer Clinics Vanished  34:00 – Why Nonprofit Hospitals Are Sitting On A Fortune  36:24 – Section 6001 And The Physician Ownership Ban  38:48 – Why The 15-Minute Appointment Fails Patients  40:20 – The Epic Mandate That Broke Nursing Too  43:35 – Why Congress Listens To You And Not Me

  4. Sep 28

    Why Medicare For All Would Break American Healthcare Overnight

    American healthcare is the only industry in the country where the people running the business don't actually know what anything costs. Hospitals price everything based on what they get reimbursed, not what they actually spent. And that one broken loop is quietly making everything else worse. In this conversation, I sit down with someone who has spent fifteen years inside hospital operations, on both sides of billion-dollar mergers, deep inside group purchasing organizations, and at the front lines of some of the biggest turnaround stories in the industry. We talk about the hidden rebate game quietly inflating your bills, the reason spine surgeons keep offering to give up vendor money just so their operating rooms will function, the popular political fix that would collapse American medicine overnight, the hundred-billion-dollar program running with almost no oversight, and the one type of person Washington keeps refusing to bring into the room. If you want the operational reality of how American healthcare actually works from someone who has lived inside it, this is the episode. In this episode, you'll learn: The hidden invoice game between hospitals and their biggest suppliers that quietly keeps your bills inflatedThe popular political fix that most Americans think will solve everything but would actually collapse the system faster than anything elseThe one type of expert who could untangle American healthcare in a year, and the exact reason Washington will not let them in the roomConnect with Andrea: LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/andrea-bates-dha-mph-7655a988 Chapters: 00:00 – Cold Open  00:57 – The Single Best Idea To Lower Healthcare Costs  02:10 – Why Hospitals Don't Know What A Case Actually Costs  04:53 – The Stark Law Wall Between Doctors And Hospitals  07:08 – Inside The Group Purchasing Organizations  09:31 – The OR Turnover Story Every Surgeon Knows  10:56 – The Anti-Kickback Loophole Nobody Talks About  11:30 – Why Medicare For All Would Break The System  14:53 – The Navy ER That Had Free Care And No Access  16:11 – When Medicare Reimbursement Actually Loses Money  17:42 – Why Full Service Lines Are Disappearing  20:14 – The Rural Hospital Problem Nobody Solves Right  22:07 – The Truth About Tavr And Cardiac Ablations  24:22 – The Consolidation Wars Between Hospitals And Insurers  25:15 – Buying, Divesting, And What Consolidation Really Delivers  28:30 – Why Physicians Shouldn't Be Employed By Hospitals  29:56 – The Federal Ban On Physician-Owned Hospitals  33:19 – Why The Airline Analogy Actually Works  36:35 – The Nashville Operating Room Tragedy  39:18 – The Vanderbilt Override Death  41:38 – Why Systems Need A Real Hard Stop  43:14 – Why Lower Drug Prices Won't Change Your Premium  47:40 – Why Healthy Adults Are Leaving The Exchange  50:23 – Give People Options, Not Mandates  52:31 – The Real Fix For Catastrophic Care  54:26 – Why Politicians Shouldn't Be Running Healthcare  56:05 – Finding Common Ground In A Divided Room  58:04 – Bring In The Operators, Not The Think Tanks

  5. Sep 21

    Why Every American Kid Is Heavier Than Their Grandparents Were (And It's Not About Food)

    In 1974, five percent of American children were overweight. Today it is twenty percent. In fifty years, with more nutrition science, more fitness knowledge, and more information than any generation has ever had, we have gotten four times worse. That should tell you something. This is not a math problem. It never was. In this conversation, I sit down with a board-certified pediatrician who walked away from the traditional model of writing meal plans, ordering labs, and telling children they need to change. We talk about the hidden weight of shame that quietly makes every well-meaning message worse, the sixteen-year-old girl who taught her the biggest lesson of her career in nine words, the parent traps that make dinner a battlefield, and the simple shift that separates parents who watch their kids struggle from parents who quietly build a home where their kids thrive. If you have a child, love a child, or spend any time around children, this episode will change what you say to them tomorrow. In this episode, you'll learn: The one sentence almost every parent says to a struggling child that quietly makes the problem worseThe hidden reason today's children move less, socialize less, and struggle more than any generation before themThe single shift that separates families who battle over food from families who quietly heal without ever saying the word weightConnect with Wendy: Website: www.WendySchoferMD.com For direct consult access: WendySchoferMDScheduling.as.me/consult Chapters: 00:00 – Cold Open  00:36 – From 5% To 20% In 50 Years  02:42 – The First Question She Asks Every Family  05:02 – Why Prescribing Change Creates Shame  07:00 – The 16-Year-Old Who Shut It Down In 9 Words  10:27 – Why You Tell Me What To Do, I'll Tell You Where To Go  11:39 – What Your Grandkids Are Really Telling You  13:23 – Why She's The Slowest Doctor In The Room  14:20 – Help Without Harm  19:32 – The Rise Of Looksmaxing And Jaw Surgery  20:57 – Why Pediatrics Is Never One Patient  23:22 – Slowing Down In A World That Won't  26:23 – The Play Kids Don't Get Anymore  28:48 – What Every Adult Is Modeling In Public  31:26 – E-Bikes, Old Bikes, And The Missed Muscles  33:09 – The Day The Sun Never Set  36:16 – Grandparents Are For Good Things Only  37:57 – When You Don't Have A Village, You Build One  43:07 – The Parent's Own Relationship With Food  46:23 – Why First-Time Moms Are Set Up To Struggle  48:22 – The Fake Perfection On Every Screen  52:10 – The Direct Primary Care Difference  55:37 – Chronic Disease At The Roots  56:23 – How Improv Became A Care Skill  58:39 – When You Say It Out Loud, It Shrinks

  6. Sep 14

    Why Your Doctor Can't Look You In The Eye Anymore

    Before Obamacare, patients used to say "let me call my doctor." Nobody says that anymore. Now the phrase you hear is a version of "I can't get in," "they rushed me," or "they didn't listen." Every single one of those frustrations traces back to one thing: the quiet destruction of the doctor-patient relationship. In this conversation, I sit down with a fierce advocate who watched three cancer diagnoses, lost her own radiologist to suicide, and then made it her life's work to stand up for the people who spend theirs standing up for us. We talk about the crushing weight almost every physician carries but never names, the untold epidemic quietly killing hundreds of American doctors every year, the one thing every patient can do at their next appointment that costs nothing and matters more than they realize, and the massive number nobody in Washington wants you to see. If you have ever loved a doctor, been cared for by one, or wondered why healthcare feels so cold now, this episode will change what you say at your next appointment. There is also an inaugural physician retreat coming up October 9 through 12 in Ossining, New York, gathering doctors from Australia, the UK, Italy, and eighteen states across fifteen specialties. Use code VIP100 for one hundred dollars off, or VIP150 for one hundred fifty dollars off when you register with a friend. Full details at standupfordoctors.org, linked in the show notes. In this episode, you'll learn: The hidden burden almost every physician carries that patients rarely see, and what it does to them over decadesThe one small gesture from a patient that can literally save a doctor's life on a bad dayThe bigger truth about Washington that quietly explains why American healthcare keeps getting worse no matter which party is in chargeConnect with Kim Downey Youtube: www.youtube.com/@StandupforDoctors LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/kim-downey-a9307b72 Chapters: 00:00 – Cold Open  00:29 – Why Restoring The Doctor Patient Relationship Fixes Everything  02:03 – The Cancer Diagnoses And The Radiologist Who Was Lost  03:45 – Getting To The Core Of What's Broken  05:03 – Burnout, Moral Injury, And The Words Doctors Hate  08:46 – The Loneliness Of Being A Physician  09:26 – The God Complex Nobody Understands  11:10 – Inside The First Book  12:33 – The Anesthesiologist Story Nobody Talks About  14:53 – What Every Medical School Dean Should Do On Day One  20:06 – Why The EMR Broke Everyone In The Hospital  23:45 – The Only People Winning In American Healthcare  26:32 – Why Physicians Feel Trapped Even Though They Aren't  28:59 – You Are Not Alone  33:13 – What This Does To Physician Families  39:32 – What Every Patient Can Do This Week  42:05 – The Truth About Congress And Healthcare  43:59 – The Cards Every Doctor Saves In A Drawer  46:46 – Being Your Own Advocate At Every Visit  48:01 – Why Direct Primary Care Changes The Equation  49:45 – Inside The Physician Retreat  53:13 – Bringing Creativity Back To Medicine  56:33 – Why This Is A Global Fight  58:35 – Closing Thoughts

  7. Sep 7

    The Hidden Reason Your Emergency Room Is Overflowing With Mental Health Crises

    If you use a wheelchair to fly on almost any American airline, you have to hand your legs over to a stranger. If they break your wheelchair, and they do, you arrive at your destination without a way to move. If you need to use the bathroom on a single-aisle plane, in most cases you can't. So people dehydrate all day, wear diapers, or have accidents in their seats. This is not the exception. This is the rule. In this conversation, I sit down with someone who has lived the reality of American disability policy from the inside, and who now leads a policy fight in Washington to fix a system that quietly traps millions of Americans in poverty and pushes millions more into emergency rooms, prisons, and homelessness. We talk about the dollar limit that keeps disabled Americans from saving for retirement, marrying, or even owning a second car. We talk about the perverse Medicaid formula that rewards states for enrolling healthy people over the ones who most need care. We talk about the sixty-year-old rule quietly starving America of the mental health beds we desperately need, and the one policy shift that could unlock real work, real independence, and real dignity for millions. If you love someone with a disability, or you want to understand where American healthcare, mental health, and disability policy actually went wrong, this is the episode. In this episode, you'll learn: The airline reality most Americans have no idea exists, and what happens when the disabled traveler has to fly aloneThe single-number rule buried in a nineteen-sixties law that quietly forces disabled Americans to stay poor to stay aliveThe well-intentioned reform from decades ago that is a hidden reason your emergency rooms are overflowing with mental health crises todayConnect with Rachel: X: @RachKBarkley LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/rachel-barkley-005a4921 Director of Able Americans https://ableamericans.us/ Chapters: 00:10 – The Advocate Who Became A Patient  01:23 – The Airline Reality Nobody Talks About  03:45 – When Your Wheelchair Arrives Broken  04:14 – Why There's No Bathroom For You  05:11 – The 2033 Rule Written By The Industry  06:22 – Level Playing Field Is Not A Handout  08:07 – What Actually Counts As A Good Outcome  09:26 – Why Expensive Patients Fall To The Bottom Of The List  12:22 – The Medicaid Lesson Most People Never Learn  15:13 – The Reagan Waiver That Changed Everything  17:06 – Why States Chase The 90 Cent Dollar  18:49 – Hospital At Home As A Model For Disability Care  20:35 – Give The Dollars To The Person  23:00 – Why Most Care Should Never Involve Insurance  24:10 – The Trap Called The Asset Limit  26:52 – Who Designed The $2,000 Rule  27:54 – Why This Is An Equal Protection Problem  29:23 – The Direct Primary Care Fix For Medicaid  32:23 – The $1,200 Catheter Only Medicaid Covers  36:39 – The Mental Health Rule From 1965  39:29 – Why The ER And The Jail Became The Hospital  42:21 – The ADA And The Woman In The Wheelchair Nobody Ignores  44:21 – The Six-Foot-Six Husband Who Married A Three-Foot Woman

  8. Aug 31

    How To Find The Right Specialist When You Get A Rare And Terrifying Diagnosis

    She was thirty years old, marathon-fit, and one week into being a first-time mom. Two weeks later she was paralyzed from the shoulders down. The first doctor she met handed her a book on dying with dignity and told her family to prepare. If her mother hadn't pushed back, she wouldn't be alive today. In this conversation, I sit down with one of the most inspiring guests I've ever had on this show to walk through the exact turning points of her survival, the questions every patient needs to ask when they're handed a rare and terrifying diagnosis, and the fight she is now leading in Washington to fix a broken safety net that traps millions of Americans in more paperwork than they can survive. We talk about the red flag that told her family to get a second opinion, the type of specialized center you have almost certainly never heard of but need to know exists, the way insurance denials of critical rehab time can quietly ruin a recovery, and the reason nine billion dollars a year is being stolen from Medicaid while hundreds of thousands of disabled Americans sit on a waiting list. If you've ever been handed a diagnosis nobody prepared you for, or love someone who has, this is the episode. In this episode, you'll learn: The one warning sign that told her family the first doctor was wrong for her, and how to spot it in your own careThe category of specialized center almost no patient knows exists, that separates the best recoveries from the worstThe single fix that could rescue millions of Americans stuck in a system designed to break themConnect with Rachel: X: @RachKBarkley LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/rachel-barkley-005a4921 Director of Able Americans https://ableamericans.us/ Chapters: 00:51 – Marathon Fit, First-Time Mom, And Then Paralyzed  03:45 – The Neck Scan Nobody Ordered  04:11 – The Book On Dying With Dignity  05:37 – How Her Family Found The Right Surgeon  08:05 – Why Volume Matters When The Diagnosis Is Rare  11:25 – How To Actually Find A Specialist For A Rare Disease  13:48 – Trust The Gut Feeling  16:28 – The Second Opinion That Changed Everything  18:11 – The Night Before The Eight-Hour Surgery  19:15 – The Zit Analogy And The Successful Extraction  20:24 – Waking Up Paralyzed From The Shoulders Down  22:15 – The Impossible Blood Clot Decision  22:34 – The Pulmonary Embolism That Would Have Killed Her At Home  24:02 – Choosing The Rehab Hospital That Would Take Her Baby  25:07 – Why Insurers Are Cutting Rehab Days That Save Lives  27:30 – The Surgeon Who Gave Her Hope  28:33 – The Doctor With Real Time For Her  31:39 – Christopher Reeve Model Systems Explained  34:56 – The Two And A Half Months That Rebuilt A Life  36:03 – Why Insurance Company Physicians Have Zero Accountability  38:45 – Prior Auth As A Numbers Game  40:41 – When The RFK Jr Question Cracked The System Open  43:31 – How Obamacare Turbocharged The Vertical Integration  44:10 – The Eighty Programs Across Fourteen Agencies Trap  47:06 – The Eight-Month Wait To Start Getting Back To Work  49:33 – Why No Sane Person Would Design The Current System  50:37 – Who The Safety Net Was Actually Built For  55:06 – Where The Nine Billion Actually Went  58:10 – The Seven Hundred Thousand On A Waiting List

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This is where we tell the truth about American healthcare. I created this show because something is clearly broken. We spend trillions of dollars every year. We pay the highest prices in the world.  And patients are still confused, frustrated, and overcharged. That’s not an accident. On this podcast, I break down how the system really works — who controls the money, who sets the prices, and why costs keep rising no matter who is in office. We talk about: Prescription drug pricingPharmacy benefit managersInsurance incentivesHospital consolidationMiddlemen and hidden markupsReal policy solutions that could lower costsI bring in pharmacists, policy experts, physicians, and people on the front lines. We connect the dots between what Washington says… and what patients actually experience. This isn’t about politics. It’s about power. Who has it. Who profits. And how we put it back where it belongs — with patients and doctors. If you want clear explanations without the spin… If you’re tired of paying more every year… If you believe healthcare should be transparent and affordable… You’re in the right place. Subscribe now. Because once you understand how the system really works, you’ll never look at healthcare the same way again.

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  • Creator
    Jim O'Leary
  • Years Active
    2026
  • Episodes
    37
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