The Margin Room

Shopé

The Margin Room is a podcast for early-stage DTC founders building from zero to seven figures. These are raw, operator-to-operator conversations about retention, revenue, systems, mistakes, and the real decisions that shape a business long before it looks “successful.” You’ll hear from founders who are a few steps ahead - not nine-figure operators far removed from the early grind. We talk profitability, cashflow, owned channels, delegation, and the personal stakes behind building a brand under pressure. This is not the place for fluff or gurus.  Just honest conversations from inside the work. Hosted by Shopé, Co-founder of ALTAR Aesthetics Company and Founder of Building Block Digital. Connect with Shopé: Instagram: http://instagram.com/allofshope LinkedIN: https://www.linkedin.com/in/mosope-adeyemi-b5418a14b/ The Margin Room is presented by Building Block Digital, a world-class retention agency for 6-8 figure brands. 📔 Join the FREE Skool community to get the entire Email/SMS playbook we use for our existing 6, 7, and 8 figure brand clients; https://www.skool.com/emailsms-marketing-mastery-6619/about?ref=3095ac343f15469fb691fa62857d2f5e

  1. 4d ago

    From Patagonia’s Special Ops Gear to DTC: ForgeLine's Eric Neuron and Jason McCaffrey

    For more than 15 years, Eric Neuron ran the division inside Patagonia that built no-fail gear for US Special Operations. In 2022 he bought it and made it independent. This year, with Jason McCaffrey running marketing, he launched ForgeLine Performance Fieldwear, taking two decades of military gear making into the consumer world. The tension: what happens when an operator who mastered selling to the military has to earn a civilian's trust on their first and second purchase? Four months into the DTC launch, they are building a brand that thinks in decades rather than seasons, with no investors and no VC pushing KPIs. Eric explains why he bought the business, why a 16 person company didn't build a finance or HR team, and why they call it fieldwear: they are here to solve problems, not make you a snowboarding jacket. On the DTC side: product seeding with people they trust, why free gear should never be a quid pro quo, a feedback process that is still very manual, Klaviyo as the main tool, and the warning that every brand using the same tools the same way ends up sounding the same. They close on what they carried over from Patagonia (be honest about your mistakes, because that builds trust and trust builds retention), why gear should be a tool and not fashion, and where an extra $30K a month in DTC profit would go. CHAPTERS 00:00 You don't need an $800 jacket to get the mail 00:20 Intro 01:28 Eric and Jason join 03:17 A brand that thinks in decades, not seasons 06:59 Team first: 16 people, no finance or HR team 09:14 Why Eric bought the business from Patagonia 11:23 Why launch a consumer line at all 13:46 Fieldwear: solving problems, not making jackets 17:46 Onshoring cold weather technology 21:05 Margins: government contracts vs DTC 23:42 Acquisition: social, endemic press and product seeding 26:13 Free gear is not a quid pro quo 30:41 Collecting email and SMS 33:02 The tech stack: Klaviyo 35:11 Why the same tools make every brand the same 40:00 What carried over from Patagonia 41:54 Honesty builds trust, trust builds retention 43:15 Brand vs performance marketing 45:34 What drives them personally 51:15 What an extra $30K a month would fund 55:27 Where to find ForgeLine GUESTS Eric Neuron, CEO, ForgeLine Jason McCaffrey, Marketing, ForgeLine Website: https://www.forgelinefieldwear.com Instagram: @forgelinefieldwear HOST: MOSOPE (SHOPÉ) ADEYEMI Website: https://allofshope.com LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/mosope-adeyemi-b5418a14b/ Instagram: @allofshope Agency: https://buildingblockdigital.com ABOUT THE SHOW The Margin Room is an ecommerce podcast for early-stage DTC founders building from zero to seven figures, presented by Building Block Digital, a world-class retention agency for 6-8 figure brands. 💰 Make your first $100,000 from your Shopify Store. Join my FREE Skool community, Email/SMS Foundation; https://www.skool.com/emailsms-marketing-mastery-6619/about?ref=3095ac343f15469fb691fa62857d2f5e #shopify #dtc #ecom #emailmarketing

  2. Oct 27

    Reviving a 200 Year Old Brand: Lord & Taylor's Sina Yenel, Part 1

    Lord & Taylor is America's oldest department store, and it has been declared dead more than once. Sina Yenel, Chief Brand & Strategy Officer at Regal Brands Global, the group that acquired the Lord & Taylor name, is bringing it back as a modern marketplace. Since taking over he has doubled the average order value with one rule: no products under $100. The previous owner was selling $20 items. Sina is fifth generation in textiles and spent years selling to TJ Maxx, Bergdorf's, Saks, Nordstrom and Target before Lord & Taylor came to him. The first thing he did was dig into 200 years of history: a store that never went on sale, Hermès making private labels for it, merchandisers licensing patents overseas and manufacturing in the Garment District. The first thing he changed was the logo, back to the signature script, at a time when every heritage brand was redesigning for Gen Z. The model is a light asset marketplace: off-price luxury, full-price contemporary, and Lord & Taylor's own products in between, with licensees covering the categories they don't make, and a cross-border system that can deliver a product from anywhere in the world to a US customer. Then the operator detail: why repeat purchase started out horrible, why previous relaunches failed, his rule on tech (if AI can build it, why would I pay for it), why they are still on Shopify, and the gap he says nobody has filled between CRM platforms and AI agents. He closes with the policy that taught him the most: never say no to tech. This is part one of the conversation. CHAPTERS 00:00 Doubling AOV with no products under $100 00:14 Intro 01:33 Sina joins 02:24 Fifth generation in textiles 03:41 Digging into 200 years of history 06:23 Changing hands: Saks, Le Tote and Saadia Group 07:55 Bringing back the signature logo 09:44 A luxury marketplace, not another Amazon 11:17 Borderless commerce 13:57 Why the previous relaunches failed 15:54 Doubling the average order value 17:06 How they find new customers 18:14 Repeat purchase and a damaged reputation 18:42 You can never buy history 21:05 The tech stack: if AI can build it, why pay for it 23:16 Why Lord & Taylor is still on Shopify 26:17 CRM, AI agents and the biggest gap in the market 28:50 How brands get onto the marketplace 30:27 Final word: never say no to tech GUEST: SINA YENEL Chief Brand & Strategy Officer, Regal Brands Global Lord & Taylor: https://www.lordandtaylor.com LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/sinayenel/ HOST: MOSOPE (SHOPÉ) ADEYEMI Website: https://allofshope.com LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/mosope-adeyemi-b5418a14b/ Instagram: @allofshope Agency: https://buildingblockdigital.com ABOUT THE SHOW The Margin Room is an ecommerce podcast for early-stage DTC founders building from zero to seven figures, presented by Building Block Digital, a world-class retention agency for 6-8 figure brands. 💰 Make your first $100,000 from your Shopify Store. Join my FREE Skool community, Email/SMS Foundation; https://www.skool.com/emailsms-marketing-mastery-6619/about?ref=3095ac343f15469fb691fa62857d2f5e #shopify #dtc #ecom #emailmarketing

  3. Oct 19

    A Top Pickleball Pro Built an 8 Figure Paddle Brand in 9 Months, Bootstrapped | James Ignatowich

    James Ignatowich was ranked number two in the world in pro pickleball. Less than a year after launching his first paddle, RPM Pickleball is doing roughly $2.6 to $2.7 million a month, crossed eight figures in about nine months, and is on pace for around $6.5 million in EBITDA. Bootstrapped. Twenty people, and James now spends most of his time in China. The growth engine is 700 ambassadors on a 15 percent commission. James got the first hundred by messaging everyone he had ever met. Month one did about $6,000. So in month two he reposted every single ambassador post, including the ones making fun of him and the ones saying the paddle was not good, and ran a contest for whoever posted the most. One ambassador built an RPM burner account just to post slop. Month two did about $150,000, profitably. Then the retention mechanics most DTC founders would kill for. Paddles last three to four months. The category is unsolved, so the core went from honeycomb to foam in a single year and RPM ships a genuinely better paddle every three months. His line: when our affiliates say our new product is better, they are right. Shopé digs into the 60/40 DTC and wholesale split, around $30K a month on Meta, the Klaviyo, Gorgias and Hiver stack, and the double opt in and success page discount code he flags as shrinking their list. The back half is the founder detail. Why he is off the tour: the United Pickleball Association, which runs the PPA Tour, terminated his contract last December over a clinic in Japan, and he says they are suing. Why he moved to China. Why women's apparel is a brand play and men's apparel pays. Why VCs put the business at $80 million and he thinks $100 million. His biggest mistake: taking too much outside advice and trying to make business a science instead of trusting his gut. And why creative has to stay in house, because how you feel when you make it is how they feel when they watch it. CHAPTERS 00:00 Number 10 in the world and making $100K 00:23 Intro 01:25 James joins 02:36 What is working right now 04:36 Affiliates from day one 06:04 Wholesale vs DTC 08:40 A bootstrapped team of twenty 09:23 Keeping 700 ambassadors active 11:24 Zero to 700 ambassadors 14:41 Month one did $6K, so he reposted everything 16:42 Month two did $150K 17:18 Inventory and stockouts 18:43 Selling out over Chinese New Year 20:47 Why he is off the tour: the UPA contract termination 23:16 Why he moved to China 26:06 Paid vs organic 29:28 LTV when paddles last three months 31:52 Why pickleball grew so fast 33:22 The product roadmap 35:33 Women's apparel as a brand play 36:52 The stack 38:10 Email, SMS and the double opt in 39:17 Obsessed with the product 42:19 What is next, and an $80M valuation 45:10 Would he sell? 47:00 His biggest mistake 51:11 Being the face of the brand 54:12 The next constraint: hiring 55:33 How the team is structured 57:22 In house vs agency 59:05 Why creative has to be internal 1:00:20 Final words 1:01:32 Where to find James GUEST: JAMES IGNATOWICH RPM Pickleball: https://rpmpb.com Instagram: @rpmpickleball The UPA contract termination: https://thekitchenpickle.com/blogs/news/united-pickleball-association-terminates-contracts-james-ignatowich-ryan-fu-vivian-glozman-parris-todd HOST: MOSOPE (SHOPÉ) ADEYEMI Website: https://allofshope.com LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/mosope-adeyemi-b5418a14b/ Instagram: @allofshope Agency: https://buildingblockdigital.com ABOUT THE SHOW The Margin Room is an ecommerce podcast for early-stage DTC founders building from zero to seven figures, presented by Building Block Digital, a world-class retention agency for 6-8 figure brands. 💰 Make your first $100,000 from your Shopify Store. Join my FREE Skool community, Email/SMS Foundation; https://www.skool.com/emailsms-marketing-mastery-6619/about?ref=3095ac343f15469fb691fa62857d2f5e #shopify #dtc #ecom #emailmarketing

  4. Oct 6

    She Built a Multimillion Dollar Waxing Empire. Now She Is Changing What They Sell | Andrea Wissing

    Andrea Wissing financed law school in Brazil by waxing, moved to the United States at 35, sat in an American classroom to requalify as a lawyer, and walked out. Eighteen years later Depil Brazil Waxing Studio is eight studios across Texas and Florida serving more than forty thousand clients a year, with a skincare line on top of it. This is a service business with DTC mechanics, and Andrea runs it like one. She breaks down the rebooking math out loud: 52 weeks divided by a three, four or five week cycle, times clients per month, times average ticket. Her KPI is 70 percent rebooking. Her line is that a technician who books a client at four weeks when the cycle is three has left a lot of money on the table, just like a car mileage. She is also mid pivot, and says so on tape. After fifteen years known for waxing, she is repositioning the whole business into intimate care, because the hair was never the product. Her words: it is not about the hair, the hair just needs to get out of the way so I can treat the skin that delivers the confidence. The product line moves from single products to protocols to support it. The back half is the operator detail. Three marketing agencies, some of them in Brazil at a one to five exchange rate, because the ads became an auction. Meevo, a custom app with GPS reminders, Shopify and a partial Amazon listing. Why she outsources marketing even when she could staff it. Her most expensive mistake, which was not capital. And the 1 percent rule she learned the hard way at seven years old: if you are the visionary and the hands on, keep 1 percent more, so you stay the decision maker. CHAPTERS 00:00 She sat in the classroom and knew she was not going back to law 00:54 Intro: 18 years, eight studios, forty thousand clients a year 05:33 Repositioning the whole business into intimate care 07:44 It is not about the hair, it is about the skin and the confidence 09:26 What caused the waxing boom, and what is causing the squeeze 13:10 If you are in a group, you are in the mediocrity 14:06 Why she built a waxing business instead of practicing law 16:16 Her father died when she was seven, and what it cost the family 18:53 The 1 percent rule: stay the decision maker 20:13 Rebooking, retention, and a 70 percent KPI 20:47 The math: 52 weeks divided by the cycle, times clients, times ticket 22:25 Forty thousand clients a year, and how many buy skincare 23:31 Selling protocols, not single products 24:30 She could not afford the $500 minimum. Now she orders $25,000 a product 28:43 Tab's Chocolate, zero to eight figures in twenty four months 29:44 Email, SMS, and what happens between visits 33:59 The stack: Meevo, a custom app, GPS reminders, Shopify and Amazon 34:13 Three agencies, some in Brazil, to stretch the budget 35:06 The ads nowadays became an auction 39:25 Hire internally or outsource: how she decides 42:17 Why three specialists and never one generalist 48:08 The most expensive mistake, and it was not money 51:19 Eighteen years in, why she is still doing this 53:54 Where to find Andrea GUEST: ANDREA WISSING Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/amissdallas/ Depil Brazil Waxing Studio: https://depilbrazilwaxing.com Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/depilbrazilwaxing HOST: MOSOPE (SHOPÉ) ADEYEMI Website: https://allofshope.com LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/mosope-adeyemi-b5418a14b/ Instagram: http://instagram.com/allofshope Agency: https://buildingblockdigital.com ABOUT THE SHOW The Margin Room is an ecommerce podcast for early-stage DTC founders building from zero to seven figures, presented by Building Block Digital, a world-class retention agency for 6-8 figure brands. Make your first $100,000 from your Shopify Store. Join my FREE Skool community, Email/SMS Foundation; https://www.skool.com/emailsms-marketing-mastery-6619/about?ref=3095ac343f15469fb691fa62857d2f5e #shopify #dtc #ecom #emailmarketing

  5. Sep 28

    He Had to Wire $1.26 Million He Did Not Have | 14 Years of DTC with Josh Sprague

    Josh Sprague has been building direct to consumer since 2012, before DTC was a category anyone used in a sentence. Orange Mud started as a gun holster he tore apart in his garage and turned into a hydration pack. It now sells in over 500 stores across 40 countries. Seven Clay, the manufacturing business he started in 2019 out of frustration with his own suppliers, is now bigger than Orange Mud. This is the part of DTC that rarely makes it into a post. Josh walks through the February he had to wire off 1.26 million dollars he did not have, what six months of factory shutdown did to his cashflow, and why containers went from 4,000 dollars to 38,000 dollars overnight. He explains where margin actually goes when tariffs, shipping increases and China direct sellers on Amazon all move at once. He is also honest about the metrics. A 56 percent reorder rate inside 12 months, and he still refuses to build a long term strategy around LTV. Meta reporting 5 to 10 times ROAS while his server side attribution says something very different. Eight hours a week spent studying attribution, because the alternative is money down a drain he cannot see. The back half is about getting out of your own way: putting EOS into three businesses, hiring a full time web developer and an executive assistant, and taking himself out of importance through system definition. His one takeaway for early stage founders is to map the full pipeline, acquisition to conversion to post purchase, before spending another dollar on ads. CHAPTERS00:00 The 1.26 million dollar wire he did not have00:17 Intro: 14 years of DTC, behind the scenes02:17 Why Orange Mud is still standing past year three04:15 Why he kept his day job for the first two years06:58 The ambassador community, and stepping back from it08:44 Years three to five, and the cashflow learning curve10:37 Inventory replenishment, and the wire that scared him12:25 What COVID permanently changed14:55 Relentless price increases across USPS, Meta, Google and Amazon16:29 Tariffs, China direct on Amazon, and margin erosion18:09 The number one product sold on Amazon21:33 Why brand is the only real moat left23:06 Meta is a blessing and a curse24:15 Postcards, email, and why he resists SMS25:38 A 56 percent reorder rate, and what he does with it29:14 What Meta reports versus what server side attribution says30:22 Why he refuses to plan around LTV35:16 EOS, and taking himself out of importance38:58 The one expense founders treat as optional41:07 Conversion tracking, and money down the attribution drain44:12 Map the whole customer journey, acquisition to conversion47:04 Why Seven Clay started out of spite49:29 One thing for an early stage founder50:14 Where to find Josh GUEST: JOSH SPRAGUEOrange Mud: https://orangemud.comSeven Clay: https://sevenclay.comLinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/joshsprague/Instagram: @orangemud and @sevenclay HOST: MOSOPE (SHOPÉ) ADEYEMIWebsite: https://allofshope.comLinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/mosope-adeyemi-b5418a14b/Instagram: @allofshopeAgency: https://buildingblockdigital.com ABOUT THE SHOWThe Margin Room is an ecommerce podcast for early-stage DTC founders building from zero to seven figures, presented by Building Block Digital, a world-class retention agency for 6-8 figure brands. 💰 Make your first $100,000 from your Shopify Store. Join my FREE Skool community, Email/SMS Foundation; https://www.skool.com/emailsms-marketing-mastery-6619/about?ref=3095ac343f15469fb691fa62857d2f5e #shopify #dtc #ecom #emailmarketing

  6. Sep 22

    The Worm Queen's Playbook: How Kim Rogers Built RogersHood to Multi-Millions on $6,210 and No Ads

    Kim Rogers did not plan to start a business. In 2019 she was seriously ill, bankrupt from medical bills and living in a trailer while her husband built their log home. By 2021 she had gone viral on TikTok talking about parasite cleansing, and the audience wanted a product she could stand behind. So she built one. With $6,210 and a friend she met on TikTok, Kim launched RogersHood Apothecary out of 175 square feet in a backyard. The first 250 ParaFy kits sold in about a minute. Four and a half years later RogersHood is a multi-million dollar brand with 45 employees, its own custom-built manufacturing facility, around 3,500 affiliates and an email list of more than 450,000 subscribers. It has never taken on debt, and its first paid ad ran three days before this conversation. This episode is the operator's view of how that happened. Kim breaks down why an in-house affiliate program was her first and only plan (10% commission, 10% off, and a free kit for every affiliate), what her margins actually look like (10-30%, with nearly everything reinvested), and why she keeps manufacturing, fulfilment and marketing under one roof in a category where platforms regularly remove her. She is candid about the hard parts too. Losing 26 social accounts. Being told by Stripe that it was removing her, and switching payment processors in five days. Letting go of a high-performing email marketer who did not fit the team, and watching sales drop. Waiting years to hire a marketing right hand, and what she would do differently. CHAPTERS 00:00 The Worm Queen goes viral 00:16 From 20 years in healthcare to founder 01:48 Building nine things at once 03:10 Organic only: the first paid ad was three days ago 05:40 Profitable in the first hour on a $6,210 launch 07:02 From 175 square feet to a custom-built facility 09:08 "Zero to a million in a couple of months" 11:31 How 250 kits sold in a minute 13:34 Why affiliates were the first and only plan 16:24 The website, the FDA and free education 18:52 The health crisis behind the brand 23:43 Why share the journey publicly 30:23 Is virality engineered? The green screen cheat code 33:03 Kim's view on prevention 40:40 Margins: 10-30%, almost all of it reinvested 43:24 45 employees and full vertical integration 44:23 Why everything stays in-house 49:44 Running 3,500 affiliates in-house 52:31 The tech stack for a regulated-adjacent brand 54:18 Dropped by Stripe, new processor in five days 57:50 Why an in-house affiliate manager beats a firm 1:00:30 Why email is the one thing she outsources 1:01:45 Cutting a top performer who didn't fit 1:03:07 The first-purchase journey 1:04:16 Subscriptions and nurture flows 1:06:14 A 450,000-subscriber email list 1:07:04 The cheat code: make it on TikTok, post it everywhere 1:09:14 Creator or operator? 1:10:46 Who watches the metrics 1:13:24 Hire your right hand before you scale 1:15:40 What keeps her going, and the fear underneath 1:16:08 Next: retail 1:21:07 Going into retail without sacrificing DTC 1:22:41 From food stamps to multi-millions 1:23:49 Holding prices to protect the community 1:25:01 Where to find Kim CONNECT WITH KIM ROGERS RogersHood: https://rogershood.com Instagram: @mrsrogers.hood TikTok: @mrsrogershood Podcast: What's Eating U?! (YouTube and all podcast platforms) CONNECT WITH SHOPE Instagram: @allofshope LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/mosope-adeyemi-b5418a14b/ The Margin Room is an ecommerce podcast for early-stage DTC founders building from zero to seven figures, presented by Building Block Digital, a world-class retention agency for 6-8 figure brands. [MONEYBAG] Make your first $100,000 from your Shopify Store. Join my FREE Skool community, Email/SMS Foundation; https://www.skool.com/emailsms-marketing-mastery-6619/about?ref=3095ac343f15469fb691fa62857d2f5e #shopify #dtc #ecom #emailmarketing

  7. Sep 14

    7 Figures in Functional Mushrooms, Made In House: How Jason Scott Built Feral Fungi Without Cutting Corners

    Jason Scott did not set out to build a company. He set out to understand mushrooms, and the market decided it wanted what he was making. Nine years later Feral Fungi is a low to mid seven figure medicinal mushroom brand that does almost everything in house: sourcing, extracting, bottling, shipping. In a category full of marketing companies that outsource production, Jason built the opposite, and he has held that line for nine years. The complexity of that choice shows up in his week, every week, and he takes it on willingly. This episode is the operational reality behind that decision, and Jason is unusually open about all of it. Jason breaks down what his margins actually look like when you own the manufacturing (around 10% net, after heavy reinvestment), why B2B pays worse per unit but keeps the lights on, and why his own branded DTC side is still only 10 to 20% of revenue despite being the part he most wants to grow. He is also generous with the parts most founders leave out. Outgrowing the people you can afford. The year he tried growing his own mushrooms and made the call to stop. The inventory software that waited months before mentioning it could not process his payments. The marketing agency that forgot to manage the Google account he was paying them for. If you are building a quality first brand in a category full of people chasing the fad, Jason is proof it can be done, and honest about what it takes. CHAPTERS 00:00 The industry shows that made him question all of it 00:18 Building a DTC brand: the reality 03:24 Growing pains when you fund everything out of pocket 06:07 When the business grows faster than the people 08:21 Why marketing is the hardest thing to hand off 12:24 Looking for the right operator 13:13 What actually drove the last four years of growth 15:41 The hidden costs behind a product's price 17:11 B2B vs DTC: margins against cash flow 19:34 Closing the gap on the branded side 24:32 The channels he is testing now 26:23 Email, SMS and the attribution black hole 30:50 Two costly calls, and what he took from them 34:21 Integrity in a fad driven category 38:10 Mushrooms, modern medicine and the active ingredient problem 44:49 What he would do with an extra 30K a month ======================== CONNECT WITH JASON SCOTT Feral Fungi: https://feralfungi.com Instagram: @feralfungi LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jason-scott-43137358/ Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/FeralFungi/ ======================== CONNECT WITH SHOPE Instagram: @allofshope LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/mosope-adeyemi-b5418a14b/ The Margin Room is an ecommerce podcast for early-stage DTC founders building from zero to seven figures, presented by Building Block Digital, a world-class retention agency for 7-8 figure brands. 💰 Make your first $100,000 from your Shopify Store. Join the FREE Skool community, Email/SMS Foundation; https://www.skool.com/emailsms-marketing-mastery-6619/about?ref=3095ac343f15469fb691fa62857d2f5e Other titles for the algo: How a 7 figure mushroom brand actually makes its money The margin math behind making your own product B2B vs DTC: which one actually pays the bills Why 10% net margin is a good number when you manufacture The real cost of refusing to cut corners in a fad category Music licensed through Soundstripe. Code: GUUXCIVBOMGA4PKC #shopify #dtc #ecom #emailmarketing

  8. Sep 1

    $200K in 3 Months: The Skincare Brand He Built for His Own Birthmark (Matthias De Potter)

    Matthias De Potter is the founder of Aspilon Cosmetics, a Belgian beauty brand built for people with skin differences: port wine stains, vitiligo, rosacea, burn scars. He was born with a port wine stain and spent over a decade looking for makeup that would cover it without wrecking his skin. It didn't exist, so he built it with Dr. Barbara Geusens, a bio-engineer with a PhD in dermatology. Three months in, the brand is tracking towards $200K in annual revenue off 20-30 million TikTok views in a single 30-day window. It is also, in his own words, not profitable yet. This is an unusually candid conversation about what that stage really looks like. Matthias walks through the 15,000-20,000 person email list he built before launch using surveys that doubled as market validation, why email and SMS still drive only 5-10% of revenue, the in-house shade matcher and face scan built to convert cold traffic, and the manufacturing lead times that had customers waiting months. He also explains the mistake that cost him: skipping pre-production samples and ordering more than 10,000 units in the wrong colour. The middle of the episode goes somewhere else. Matthias talks about being stared at every day, about going to bed hoping he'd wake up and it would be gone. One in four people with a facial skin difference suffers clinical anxiety or depression. That's the market he serves, and he's a member of it. If you're building a brand where you are the proof of concept, this one is worth your time. ⏱️ Timestamps 00:00 Cold open 00:09 Intro: The Margin Room 01:32 Meet Matthias De Potter, founder of Aspilon Cosmetics 03:06 30M TikTok views vs bootstrapped cash flow 04:42 What feels earned, what feels fragile 07:13 Personal account vs brand account 10:05 "What if TikTok stops working tomorrow?" 11:56 Off-platform community: associations and hospitals 13:31 Traffic that doesn't buy the first time 15:56 The email and SMS infrastructure, flow by flow 17:43 The email list: 15,000-20,000 people 18:05 Building the list before launch 19:31 Email and SMS: 5-10% of revenue 21:22 "Are you profitable?" "Not yet." 22:09 Answering the "he's just covering it up" comments 26:20 How he found his scientific co-founder 28:19 The crash that ended cycling 29:45 "What are you good at versus what do you love?" 32:01 The bullying, and what it costs 34:20 The mirror, in full 37:09 Fear as fuel 41:49 The two real bottlenecks 43:54 Where an extra $10K a month would go 45:04 10,000 units in the wrong colour 46:20 Where to find Matthias 🔗 Connect with Matthias: Website: aspiloncosmetics.com | Instagram: @aspiloncosmetics | TikTok: @aspiloncosmetics 🔗 Connect with Shopé: Instagram: @allofshope | LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/mosope-adeyemi-b5418a14b/ The Margin Room is an ecommerce podcast for early-stage DTC founders building from zero to seven figures, presented by Building Block Digital, a world-class retention agency for 6-8 figure brands. 💰 Make your first $100,000 from your Shopify Store. Join my FREE Skool community, Email/SMS Foundation; https://www.skool.com/emailsms-marketing-mastery-6619/about?ref=3095ac343f15469fb691fa62857d2f5e #shopify #dtc #ecom #emailmarketing

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The Margin Room is a podcast for early-stage DTC founders building from zero to seven figures. These are raw, operator-to-operator conversations about retention, revenue, systems, mistakes, and the real decisions that shape a business long before it looks “successful.” You’ll hear from founders who are a few steps ahead - not nine-figure operators far removed from the early grind. We talk profitability, cashflow, owned channels, delegation, and the personal stakes behind building a brand under pressure. This is not the place for fluff or gurus.  Just honest conversations from inside the work. Hosted by Shopé, Co-founder of ALTAR Aesthetics Company and Founder of Building Block Digital. Connect with Shopé: Instagram: http://instagram.com/allofshope LinkedIN: https://www.linkedin.com/in/mosope-adeyemi-b5418a14b/ The Margin Room is presented by Building Block Digital, a world-class retention agency for 6-8 figure brands. 📔 Join the FREE Skool community to get the entire Email/SMS playbook we use for our existing 6, 7, and 8 figure brand clients; https://www.skool.com/emailsms-marketing-mastery-6619/about?ref=3095ac343f15469fb691fa62857d2f5e