True Conversations

Tom Happé

True Conversations is a podcast for founders, revenue leaders, and modern B2B sellers who care about one thing: building pipeline that actually converts.

Episodes

  1. Oct 20

    The Phone Isn’t Dead: Why Phone-First Outbound Wins in an AI-Spam World with Robbie McGregor

    Buyers can now tell when an email was written by AI, and they’re tuning it out. So where are enterprise conversations actually coming from? Tom Happé sits down with Robbie McGregor, Co-Founder of Sentrama, a former CRO who built a phone-first outbound platform after scaling revenue in his previous business without adding headcount. In this episode: Why Sentrama moved from LinkedIn and email to phone-first, and why buyers now want human conversationsWhy data is the fuel: pre-qualifying with AI typically removes 40–60% of a “target” list before a single dialWhy SDR is no longer an entry-level job: junior SDR roles are falling while senior SDR demand risesThe two outbound problems, infrastructure and pitch, and how to fix eachWhat 600,000+ logged call transcripts reveal about how each ICP respondsWhy you should have 100 conversations with your market before scaling any campaign, especially when entering the UKThe three types of company that need outsourced outbound, including the “fingers burnt”Why Sentrama built an AI caller and chose not to use itWhat outbound looks like when nobody can forecast beyond six monthsIf you lead sales, marketing or revenue at a B2B tech company and your outbound is getting louder without getting results, this one’s for you. Chapters 00:00 Intro: Robbie McGregor, Co-Founder of Sentrama 01:21 From CRO to founder: why build Sentrama 05:03 The pivot to phone-first 09:35 Data is everything: AI pre-qualification 14:42 Hiring SDRs: the hardest job in sales 19:13 Infrastructure vs. pitch 22:13 600,000 observed pitches 23:40 Test your market with 100 conversations 26:41 Who outsourced outbound is right for 29:56 Why AI callers don’t work 33:17 The next two years of outbound 36:39 Cleaning up the outbound industry 🔗 Connect with Robbie on LinkedIn: Robbie McGregor 🔗 Sentrama: sentrama.com 🔗 TrueLeads: trueleads.com True Conversations is a TrueLeads production.

  2. Apr 6

    AI, Attribution & ICP: The Future of B2B Marketing with Kirsty Dawe

    In this episode of True Conversations, Tom Happé sits down with Kirsty Dawe, CMO at Lead Forensics, to discuss the evolution of modern B2B marketing and the importance of focusing on revenue rather than vanity metrics. Drawing from her extensive experience in agency and client-side marketing, Kirsty provides valuable insights. She explains how marketers can better align with sales, develop a robust Ideal Customer Profile (ICP) and effectively track the true impact of marketing within the increasingly complex buyer journey. The conversation covers various topics including attribution models, the role of AI in marketing, intent data, social selling and the significance of accurately identifying website visitors. This episode is packed with practical insights for B2B marketers, SaaS professionals, demand generation specialists and sales teams. It offers actionable strategies to drive pipeline and revenue in today’s competitive market. Key takeaways from the episode include: - The importance of prioritising revenue in B2B marketing. - The significance of defining and refining your Ideal Customer Profile (ICP). - How website visitor identification can uncover hidden opportunities. - The challenges posed by marketing attribution in intricate buyer journeys. - The transformative impact of AI on demand generation and outreach. - The critical need for sales and marketing alignment. - The role of social selling and LinkedIn in modern B2B sales. Kirsty also shares her forward-thinking perspective on the future of B2B marketing, the potential of AI to reshape marketing teams and her strategies for generating pipeline and revenue within a 90-day timeframe.

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True Conversations is a podcast for founders, revenue leaders, and modern B2B sellers who care about one thing: building pipeline that actually converts.