2 PKs in a Pod

Annie Lim, Sharon Kwon

Did you know that according to the Pew Research Center, 60% of Korean Americans identify as Christian? This podcast explores the other 40%. We are Sharon Kwon and Annie Lim - Two Korean women, born Pastors’ Kids (PKs), 1.5-generation immigrants, coming together to deconstruct and discuss various related topics on religion and immigration through our unique lens, and we hope to find friends and listeners along the way. Annie is our resident historian and Sharon is our exvangelical psychotherapist. Join us as we process our childhoods and upbringings in the Korean church and explore the why's and how's of the Korean American Religious Immigrant experience.

Episodes

  1. Aug 12

    A Pastor and a PK in a Pod

    In this episode, Annie and Sharon sit down with Lydia Lim, host of the Cheonggaeguri podcast, for an honest conversation about faith, family, Korean church culture, and the evolving relationship between immigrant parents and their children. Lydia shares why she began recording candid conversations with her dad, how her family responded when she stopped attending church, and what she has learned about boundaries, acceptance, and communicating without trying to change one another. Together, they explore the pressure placed on pastors’ kids, the church’s role in Korean American identity, differences between Christianity in Korea and the diaspora, and the ways younger generations are approaching mental health and difficult family conversations more openly. It’s a thoughtful and often funny look at leaving church while continuing to love—and be loved by—the people who remain. In this episode we cover:  00:00 — Welcome and introduction to Lydia Lim 02:04 — Meet Lydia: PK, marketer, dancer, and “problem kid” 04:23 — Starting a podcast with her pastor dad 08:01 — Listener reactions, faith, and leaving church 10:55 — Telling her parents she would no longer attend church 16:21 — When church comes before family 19:24 — Returning to Korea and reverse culture shock 21:08 — Korean church as community and cultural identity 24:49 — Christianity in Korea versus Korean American churches 29:39 — Transparency, disagreement, and challenging religious authority 34:35 — Konglish, language loss, and Korean American identity 36:39 — How the podcast changed Lydia’s relationship with her dad 41:01 — The positive and painful sides of being a pastor’s kid 43:03 — Setting boundaries with Korean parents 46:02 — The meaning behind the Cheonggaeguri podcast 47:37 — Lydia’s evolving exit from church and Christianity 51:25 — Reflections on Gen Z, therapy, and healthier communication 57:45 — What went well—and what the hosts would do differently 1:05:49 — Closing and a preview of the next episode Sharon Kwon, LCSW, is a Licensed Clinical Social Worker, psychotherapist, writer, and founder of Bodhi Aware Therapy. Sharon specializes in working with Korean Americans who have struggled with overcoming religious trauma and spiritual abuse. She has worked in private and community mental health settings with immigrant families struggling with intergenerational trauma. Sharon’s writing has been published in Huff Post, SLATE Magazine, SELF Magazine, and Psychology Today. Sharon is an avid traveller and fan of all things “K”—dramas, food, soccer, etc. She is currently based in Los Angeles, CA. Get to know her on Instagram @talkwithsharon or via her website: www.sharonkwon.com. Sion Lim (임시온) is a self-proclaimed “Koreanist” with a special passion to learn more about Korean Diaspora all over the world. She goes by her naturalized middle name, Annie. Her desire to connect with her K-side stems from her days as a graduate student at SOAS and as a former educator at Osaka Board of Education and Stanford University.  Before becoming a podcaster, Annie's latest career adventure was with Silicon Valley corporations (fun!) ranging from Samsung to video games before the AI takeover. She currently resides in San Francisco with her husband and 3 kitties and would share more with you through her instagram, @sionannielim.  If you enjoyed our podcast, please don't forget to rate us and leave a comment! Follow us on Instagram @2pkspod to connect with us. Episode Credits: Produced by Sharon Kwon and Annie Lim Mixed by Abdul Wasay Music: Risen by Gavin Luke via Epidemic Sounds Links: Follow us on our website and on Instagram!

    A Pastor and a PK in a Pod
  2. Jul 29

    Seeking PK Perfection

    In this episode, Annie and Sharon sit down with content creator and fellow PK Daniel Oh to explore his journey from devoted pastor's kid to deconstructing his faith. Raised non-denominational, Daniel dedicated his teenage years to prayer, worship, and preparing for a future in ministry. But beneath his spiritual devotion was a deeper search for identity, belonging, and approval. Daniel chats about growing up under the weight of religious expectations, the challenges of questioning long-held beliefs, the complicated ties between faith and Korean culture, and what it means to rebuild a life that feels authentically your own after leaving church. In this episode we cover: 00:00 - Intro: Daniel Oh and the perfect PK  01:01 - What it meant to be a perfect PK  01:51 - Martyr stories, "She Said Yes," and childhood fear  06:28 - Hiding non-Christian friends from pastor parents  08:45 - Setting up Daniel's interview  09:20 - Meet Daniel: Seoul, content creation, and coming back to yourself  11:21 - Daniel's PK childhood and family church life  16:59 - Middle school, guilt, and going all in on faith  21:32 - Homeschooling, fear of hell, and choosing a Christian path  25:34 - Worship, anointing, and chasing God's presence  29:05 - Father approval and the dream of Wheaton  37:29 - Wheaton, deconstruction, and the limits of certainty  45:03 - Annie and Sharon connect their own deconstruction stories  55:18 - Leaving Christianity and finding peace  01:03:46 - Daniel's final reflections on purpose and authenticity  01:05:03 - Host reflection: what would we do differently?  01:09:05 - Closing and next episode Sharon Kwon, LCSW, is a Licensed Clinical Social Worker, psychotherapist, writer, and founder of Bodhi Aware Therapy. Sharon specializes in working with Korean Americans who have struggled with overcoming religious trauma and spiritual abuse. She has worked in private and community mental health settings with immigrant families struggling with intergenerational trauma. Sharon’s writing has been published in Huff Post, SLATE Magazine, SELF Magazine, and Psychology Today. Sharon is an avid traveller and fan of all things “K”—dramas, food, soccer, etc. She is currently based in Los Angeles, CA. Get to know her on Instagram @talkwithsharon or via her website: www.sharonkwon.com. Sion Lim (임시온) is a self-proclaimed “Koreanist” with a special passion to learn more about Korean Diaspora all over the world. She goes by her naturalized middle name, Annie. Her desire to connect with her K-side stems from her days as a graduate student at SOAS and as a former educator at Osaka Board of Education and Stanford University.  Before becoming a podcaster, Annie's latest career adventure was with Silicon Valley corporations (fun!) ranging from Samsung to video games before the AI takeover. She currently resides in San Francisco with her husband and 3 kitties and would share more with you through her instagram, @sionannielim.  If you enjoyed our podcast, please don't forget to rate us and leave a comment! Follow us on Instagram @2pkspod to connect with us. Episode Credits: Produced by Sharon Kwon and Annie Lim Mixed by Abdul Wasay Music: Risen by Gavin Luke via Epidemic Sounds Links: Follow us on our website and on Instagram!

    Seeking PK Perfection
  3. Jul 15

    Sexy Christian Virgin

    In this episode of 2PKs in a Pod, Annie and Sharon unpack the confusing expectations placed on Christian girls growing up in church culture: be pure, modest, and “good,” but also desirable enough to eventually become someone’s wife. Through the lens of purity culture, the Madonna-whore complex, and Korean American church expectations, they reflect on how these messages shaped dating, sexuality, shame, self-image, and the pressure to perform both innocence and attractiveness at the same time. In this episode we cover: 00:00 – Welcome to “Sexy Christian Virgin” 03:42 – What purity culture taught us about being “good girls” 09:18 – The Madonna-whore complex in Christian spaces 15:36 – Modesty, desirability, and mixed messages for church girls 22:14 – Korean American church culture and gender expectations 29:48 – Dating, shame, and the pressure to stay “pure” 37:20 – When purity becomes part of your identity 44:05 – Reclaiming sexuality, agency, and self-worth 50:10 – Final reflections and closing Sharon Kwon, LCSW, is a Licensed Clinical Social Worker, psychotherapist, writer, and founder of Bodhi Aware Therapy. Sharon specializes in working with Korean Americans who have struggled with overcoming religious trauma and spiritual abuse. She has worked in private and community mental health settings with immigrant families struggling with intergenerational trauma. Sharon’s writing has been published in Huff Post, SLATE Magazine, SELF Magazine, and Psychology Today. Sharon is an avid traveller and fan of all things “K”—dramas, food, soccer, etc. She is currently based in Los Angeles, CA. Get to know her on Instagram @talkwithsharon or via her website: www.sharonkwon.com. Sion Lim (임시온) is a self-proclaimed “Koreanist” with a special passion to learn more about Korean Diaspora all over the world. She goes by her naturalized middle name, Annie. Her desire to connect with her K-side stems from her days as a graduate student at SOAS and as a former educator at Osaka Board of Education and Stanford University.  Before becoming a podcaster, Annie's latest career adventure was with Silicon Valley corporations (fun!) ranging from Samsung to video games before the AI takeover. She currently resides in San Francisco with her husband and 3 kitties and would share more with you through her instagram, @sionannielim.  If you enjoyed our podcast, please don't forget to rate us and leave a comment! Follow us on Instagram @2pkspod to connect with us. Episode Credits: Produced by Sharon Kwon and Annie Lim Mixed by Abdul Wasay Music: Risen by Gavin Luke via Epidemic Sounds Links: Follow us on our website and on Instagram!

    Sexy Christian Virgin
  4. Jul 1

    Colleges and Careers

    In this episode of 2 PKs in a Pod, Annie and Sharon welcome their very first guest, David Kim, an attorney for LA County and a former runner for US Congress, who shares his honest journey through college, career changes, and the unexpected turns that shaped his life. Through David's story, they explore the pressure to choose the "right" path, the fear of making the wrong decision, and how our identities can become tied to our education and careers. Together, they reflect on the "what ifs" that so many people carry into adulthood, the weight of family and cultural expectations, and the realization that success rarely follows a straight line. Rather than offering simple answers, this conversation encourages listeners to see detours, setbacks, and changing directions not as failures, but as experiences that often lead to growth in ways they never expected. 00:00 – Welcome to Colleges & Careers 04:32 – Meet David Kim, our very first guest 10:18 – Why education feels so high-stakes in Korean immigrant families 17:45 – The pressure to choose the “right” school and career 25:10 – Law school, identity, and figuring it out as you go 33:58 – Leaving prestige behind for more meaningful work 42:36 – Serving vulnerable communities through law 43:35 – How David rallied the Korean Christian community in his political campaign despite being gay 52:20 – What success looks like after the “perfect path” 01:02:48 – Regrets, detours, and advice for younger listeners 01:13:12 – Final reflections Sharon Kwon, LCSW, is a Licensed Clinical Social Worker, psychotherapist, writer, and founder of Bodhi Aware Therapy. Sharon specializes in working with Korean Americans who have struggled with overcoming religious trauma and spiritual abuse. She has worked in private and community mental health settings with immigrant families struggling with intergenerational trauma. Sharon’s writing has been published in Huff Post, SLATE Magazine, SELF Magazine, and Psychology Today. Sharon is an avid traveller and fan of all things “K”—dramas, food, soccer, etc. She is currently based in Los Angeles, CA. Get to know her on Instagram @talkwithsharon or via her website: www.sharonkwon.com. Sion Lim (임시온) is a self-proclaimed “Koreanist” with a special passion to learn more about Korean Diaspora all over the world. She goes by her naturalized middle name, Annie. Her desire to connect with her K-side stems from her days as a graduate student at SOAS and as a former educator at Osaka Board of Education and Stanford University.  Before becoming a podcaster, Annie's latest career adventure was with Silicon Valley corporations (fun!) ranging from Samsung to video games before the AI takeover. She currently resides in San Francisco with her husband and 3 kitties and would share more with you through her instagram, @sionannielim.  If you enjoyed our podcast, please don't forget to rate us and leave a comment! Follow us on Instagram @2pkspod to connect with us. Episode Credits: Produced by Sharon Kwon and Annie Lim Mixed by Abdul Wasay Music: Risen by Gavin Luke via Epidemic Sounds Links: Follow us on our website and on Instagram!

    Colleges and Careers
  5. Jun 17

    K-cults

    In this episode of 2 PKs in a Pod, Annie and Sharon share stories about accidentally getting involved with groups they later realized were cults, discuss why high-control religious movements continue to thrive, and reflect on how growing up in church shaped the way they recognized (or failed to recognize) the warning signs. In this episode we cover: 02:15 — Annie shares how she accidentally attended Shekinah Church during a high school summer program. 09:42 — Discussion of why cults often appeal to people seeking community and certainty. 17:30 — Comparing Shincheonji, World Mission Society Church of God, and other Korean high-control groups. 26:08 — Growing up as PKs and how church culture affected our ability to recognize red flags. 35:11 — Why intelligent people still get drawn into cults. 43:20 — Lessons learned and practical warning signs listeners should watch for. Sharon Kwon, LCSW, is a Licensed Clinical Social Worker, psychotherapist, writer, and founder of Bodhi Aware Therapy. Sharon specializes in working with Korean Americans who have struggled with overcoming religious trauma and spiritual abuse. She has worked in private and community mental health settings with immigrant families struggling with intergenerational trauma. Sharon’s writing has been published in Huff Post, SLATE Magazine, SELF Magazine, and Psychology Today. Sharon is an avid traveller and fan of all things “K”—dramas, food, soccer, etc. She is currently based in Los Angeles, CA. Get to know her on Instagram @talkwithsharon or via her website: www.sharonkwon.com. Sion Lim (임시온) is a self-proclaimed “Koreanist” with a special passion to learn more about Korean Diaspora all over the world. She goes by her naturalized middle name, Annie. Her desire to connect with her K-side stems from her days as a graduate student at SOAS and as a former educator at Osaka Board of Education and Stanford University.  Before becoming a podcaster, Annie's latest career adventure was with Silicon Valley corporations (fun!) ranging from Samsung to video games before the AI takeover. She currently resides in San Francisco with her husband and 3 kitties and would share more with you through her instagram, @sionannielim.  If you enjoyed our podcast, please don't forget to rate us and leave a comment! Follow us on Instagram @2pkspod to connect with us. Episode Credits: Produced by Sharon Kwon and Annie Lim Mixed by Abdul Wasay Music: Risen by Gavin Luke via Epidemic Sounds Links: Follow us on our website and on Instagram!

    K-cults
  6. Jun 3

    VBS and Bible Camps

    In this episode of 2 PKs in a Pod, Annie and Sharon reminisce about their childhood summers spent at VBS (Vacation Bible School) and Bible Camps. They share their positive and negative experiences as both attendees and also organizers of these summer pastimes and what is considered a quintessential part of growing up in a Korean American, Christian household.  In this episode we cover: 04:26 - What's the difference between VBS and Bible camp? 05:09 - History of VBS 06:19 - Why Korean Americans adopted VBS 08:30 - Importance of summer activities for child development 11:15 - Annie's experience organizing VBS for her dad's children's ministry 18:25 - Sharon's experience attending white VBS 23:22 - Mafia, the universal camp game 24:40 - What did we like / what went well regarding VBS? 26:48 - What would we do differently? 30:57 - Next week, we're talking about K-cults! Sharon Kwon, LCSW, is a Licensed Clinical Social Worker, psychotherapist, writer, and founder of Bodhi Aware Therapy. Sharon specializes in working with Korean Americans who have struggled with overcoming religious trauma and spiritual abuse. She has worked in private and community mental health settings with immigrant families struggling with intergenerational trauma. Sharon’s writing has been published in Huff Post, SLATE Magazine, SELF Magazine, and Psychology Today. Sharon is an avid traveller and fan of all things “K”—dramas, food, soccer, etc. She is currently based in Los Angeles, CA. Get to know her on Instagram @talkwithsharon or via her website: www.sharonkwon.com. Sion Lim (임시온) is a self-proclaimed “Koreanist” with a special passion to learn more about Korean Diaspora all over the world. She goes by her naturalized middle name, Annie. Her desire to connect with her K-side stems from her days as a graduate student at SOAS and as a former educator at Osaka Board of Education and Stanford University.  Before becoming a podcaster, Annie's latest career adventure was with Silicon Valley corporations (fun!) ranging from Samsung to video games before the AI takeover. She currently resides in San Francisco with her husband and 3 kitties and would share more with you through her instagram, @sionannielim.  If you enjoyed our podcast, please don't forget to rate us and leave a comment! Follow us on Instagram @2pkspod to connect with us. Episode Credits: Produced by Sharon Kwon and Annie Lim Mixed by Abdul Wasay Music: Risen by Gavin Luke via Epidemic Sounds Links: Follow us on our website and on Instagram!

    VBS and Bible Camps
  7. May 20

    Welcome to 2PKs in a Pod

    In the first episode of 2 PKs in a Pod, Annie and Sharon explore the historical and sociological context of why Korean Americans are so Christian. They’ll take you back to the Japanese annexation times and through their immigration journeys to the U.S. in the early 90’s. They also share their personal stories of growing up and leaving the Korean church. In this episode we cover :: 00:00 - Introducing Annie and Sharon 00:31 - What is a PK? 4:11 - Annie’s background in Korean history and living in Japan 4:30 - Sharon’s background in mental health and specialization working with Korean Americans with religious trauma 4:59 - Why did we make a podcast about the PK immigrant life? 5:59 - How did Koreans become so Christian? 8:00 - How churches impacted Korean immigration to the U.S. 8:58 - Confucianism and Christianity  9:40 - Filial piety and collectivism can cause shame and guilt in Korean families 10:15 - Talking about taboo topics destigmatizes shame 12:44 - Annie’s immigration story and strict, Christian upbringing, and how she left the church 18:06 - Sharon’s immigration story and spiritual journey coming back to herself and culture 24:54 - Sharon’s first time in therapy and how she came out to her parents about not being Christian anymore 27:59 - Annie’s current relationship with her parents - “don’t ask, don’t tell” 31:26 - Next episode preview - VBS and Bible camps Sharon Kwon, LCSW, is a Licensed Clinical Social Worker, psychotherapist, writer, and founder of Bodhi Aware Therapy. Sharon specializes in working with Korean Americans who have struggled with overcoming religious trauma and spiritual abuse. She has worked in private and community mental health settings with immigrant families struggling with intergenerational trauma. Sharon’s writing has been published in Huff Post, SLATE Magazine, SELF Magazine, and Psychology Today. Sharon is an avid traveller and fan of all things “K”—dramas, food, soccer, etc. She is currently based in Los Angeles, CA. Get to know her on Instagram @talkwithsharon or via her website: www.sharonkwon.com. Sion Lim (임시온) is a self-proclaimed “Koreanist” with a special passion to learn more about Korean Diaspora all over the world. She goes by her naturalized middle name, Annie. Her desire to connect with her K-side stems from her days as a graduate student at SOAS and as a former educator at Osaka Board of Education and Stanford University.  Before becoming a podcaster, Annie's latest career adventure was with Silicon Valley corporations (fun!) ranging from Samsung to video games before the AI takeover. She currently resides in San Francisco with her husband and 3 kitties and would share more with you through her instagram, @sionannielim.  If you enjoyed our podcast, please don't forget to rate us and leave a comment! Follow us on Instagram @2pkspod to connect with us. Episode Credits: Produced by Sharon Kwon and Annie Lim Mixed by Abdul Wasay Music: Risen by Gavin Luke via Epidemic Sounds Links: Follow us on our website and on Instagram!

    Welcome to 2PKs in a Pod

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About

Did you know that according to the Pew Research Center, 60% of Korean Americans identify as Christian? This podcast explores the other 40%. We are Sharon Kwon and Annie Lim - Two Korean women, born Pastors’ Kids (PKs), 1.5-generation immigrants, coming together to deconstruct and discuss various related topics on religion and immigration through our unique lens, and we hope to find friends and listeners along the way. Annie is our resident historian and Sharon is our exvangelical psychotherapist. Join us as we process our childhoods and upbringings in the Korean church and explore the why's and how's of the Korean American Religious Immigrant experience.