The Partnership Lab

Max & Roz

What happens when two scientists turn their marriage into a study in love, relationships, and consensual non-monogamy? The Partnership Lab is a relationship podcast exploring open relationships, ethical non-monogamy (ENM), communication, and modern marriage — recorded in real time from the very beginning of our journey into the lifestyle. We’re not gurus. We’re not coaches. We’re not here to tell you how to do it. We’re documenting what happens when a committed couple questions the default settings of marriage — and designs something more intentional. Each episode is a field note. Jealousy becomes a variable. Communication becomes a method. Desire becomes data. Connection becomes something that might expand — if handled with care. You’ll hear the real conversations: the fear, the excitement, the renegotiation, the “are we really doing this?” moments. This podcast is for couples feeling a shift, partners asking “what else is possible?”, and anyone curious about ethical non-monogamy done thoughtfully. We believe openness isn’t the opposite of commitment — it might be a deeper form of it. That’s our hypothesis. Let’s test it out. Topics include: open relationships, ethical non-monogamy (ENM), swinging, communication, boundaries, jealousy, and long-term partnership.

Episodes

  1. "No Labels, No Pressure" with Lee

    Jun 10

    "No Labels, No Pressure" with Lee

    Girl Talk: No Labels, No Pressure In this episode, Roz sits down with Lee for a special Girl Talk conversation about finding the lifestyle, learning what feels right, and taking your time and letting the journey unfold. Lee shares how she and her husband discovered Desire, what it felt like to walk into a sex-positive resort for the first time, and why being surrounded by open-minded people changed the way she thought about her body, her marriage, and her sexuality. They also talk about the Women’s Retreat (see episodes 2&3), feminine energy, exploring attraction to women, the difference between curiosity and pressure, and why “friends first” feels more aligned than jumping straight into play. This conversation moves through trauma, purity culture, perimenopause, body image, erotic blueprints, nudity, desire, and the very real awkwardness of kissing someone new after twenty years with the same person. The biggest takeaway: you don’t have to rush. You don’t have to label yourself. You don’t have to perform. Sometimes the lifestyle starts with better conversations, more honesty, and taking your top off at the pool. Also in this episode: The Story of Lee and Mr. B’s entry into the lifestyleWhy nudity can break down social barriersExploring attraction without forcing a labelBody image, being seen, and learning to believe your partnerMusic, mood, and setting the sceneResources mentioned Women's Anatomy of Arousal: https://a.co/d/0i3HonnrThe Erotic Mind: https://a.co/d/09phmIibSex God and the Conservative Church: https://a.co/d/07I5nfRnNaked Attraction: https://www.hbomax.com/shows/naked-attraction/7763c6ba-6237-4018-9e65-929ce18838b3The Erotic Blueprint: https://missjaiya.com/NIGHTSYN: https://music.apple.com/us/artist/nightsyn/1835493175Luxe Studios: https://music.apple.com/us/artist/luxe-music-studios/1887523053Join the Conversation: Email: thepartnershiplabpodcast@gmail.com Instagram: @the_partnership_lab Disclaimer: These conversations reflect our personal experiences and are not professional advice.

    1 hr
  2. TPL Book Club 1 ☕: Open by Rachel Krantz

    May 27

    TPL Book Club 1 ☕: Open by Rachel Krantz

    For our first official book club episode, we’re discussing Open by Rachel Krantz — a memoir exploring consensual non-monogamy, power dynamics, abuse, freedom, jealousy, and self-discovery. What started as a book we expected to be erotic quickly turned into something much heavier and more emotionally complex. We talk about: the unequal power dynamics between Rachel and Adamgaslighting and manipulationemotional vs sexual jealousywhy certain dynamics can feel exciting at first… and painful laterhow lifestyle spaces can accelerate emotional intimacyDisney princesses (yes, really)therapy, individuation, and personal growth inside relationshipswhy the book still lands on a hopeful note despite everything Rachel went throughWe also share some thoughts on boundaries, communication, and why exploring relationships intentionally requires more emotional honesty than most people realize. In This Episode We Also Discuss Sexual language and boundaries during playWhy lifestyle spaces can feel emotionally disarming“Enlightened” personalities (ie. assholes) in ENM spacesKathy Labriola’s work on jealousy and how it's experiencedMasculinity and emotional freedomMetamour friendshipsFuture Book Club picksResources Mentioned Open by Rachel Krantz - https://a.co/d/0ihlMCvDKathy Labriola books/resources - https://www.kathylabriola.com/Feel It All: A Therapist's Guide to Reimagining Your Relationship With Sex - https://a.co/d/0cZMVSQ2The Other Significant Others - https://a.co/d/0e8gZJlJPraise - https://a.co/d/07k3m8w7Join the Conversation Have thoughts about the book? Agree with us? Completely disagree? thepartnershiplabpodcast@gmail.com We’d also love recommendations for future Book Club episodes. Disclaimer These conversations reflect our own observations and experiences and are not professional or institutional advice.

    51 min
  3. Your Turn Ons? There's a Word for That 🤯

    May 13

    Your Turn Ons? There's a Word for That 🤯

    Protocol: What if the way you experience desire isn’t random—but actually follows a pattern? In this episode, we dive into the concept of Erotic Blueprints, a framework that helps explain how and why we experience arousal, connection, and pleasure differently. We break down all five blueprint types—Energetic, Sensual, Sexual, Kinky, and Shapeshifter—and share real-world examples of what each one looks like in practice. Then things get personal. We reveal our own results, unpack what surprised us, and explore how understanding our blueprints is already changing the way we communicate, connect, and experience intimacy. This conversation isn’t just about sex—it’s about language, self-acceptance, and realizing you might not be “weird”… just misunderstood. 🧪 In This Episode: What Erotic Blueprints are and why they matterThe 5 blueprint types explained in real-world termsOur personal results (and what shocked us)The “shadow sides” that can block connectionHow understanding your partner’s blueprint changes everything🔬 Resources Mentioned: Erotic Blueprint Quiz (via The Desire Lab)Sex, Love & Goop (Netflix)Monogamish Marriage podcastHow to Build a Sex Room (Netflix)📚 Next Episode: We’re starting our first Listener Lab Book Club with: Open by Rachel Krantz Read along—we’ll be breaking it down next episode. 💬 Join the Conversation: What’s your blueprint? 📩 Email: thepartnershiplabpodcast@gmail.com 📱 Instagram: @the_partnership_lab Disclaimer: These conversations reflect our personal experiences and are not professional advice.

    1h 18m
  4. Listener Lab 1: 50 Questions Roulette 📖

    Apr 29

    Listener Lab 1: 50 Questions Roulette 📖

    Listener Lab: Real-time questions, honest answers, and figuring it out as we go What happens when you stop planning—and just start talking? In this episode of The Partnership Lab, we’re trying something new. This is our first Listener Lab: a more relaxed, real-time experiment where we use a few prompts and see where the conversation takes us. Using Fifty Questions to Ask Before Opening Your Relationship, we explore topics like jealousy, connection, communication, and why we’re even doing this in the first place. Some answers come easily. Others don’t. But that’s kind of the point. This isn’t polished. This is us thinking out loud. In This Episode Introducing Listener Lab: a more interactive, real-time formatReflecting on feeling “vanilla” and early in the journeyConfidence, comparison, and supporting each other in imbalanceHonesty, identity, and rebuilding as individualsChallenging traditional narratives and redefining connectionEmotional vs sexual connection: do you need both?Apps vs real-life connection and building communityCommunication, reassurance, and “filling in the gaps”Growth, curiosity, and the idea of “more life,” not replacementWhy this process is already improving our relationshipContact Contact us with comments, questions, stories, advice, encouragement, or whatever else you want to send: thepartnershiplabpodcast@gmail.com Suggested Resources Mentioned in the Episode 50 Questions to Ask Before Opening Your Relationship — Dr. Rachel MeyerDr. Rachel's Naughty Gym Episode - https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/naughty-gym-show-building-stronger-non-monogamous-relationships/id1701360007?i=1000735196506Midwest Love Fest - https://lovefestevents.com/mwlf25/We Can Do Hard Things Astrology Episode - https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/astrology-for-skeptics-sonya-renee-taylor-reads-our-charts/id1564530722?i=1000741471659Open — Rachel Krantz (https://a.co/d/0cepjbvM) FUTURE BOOK CLUB EPISODEErotic Blueprint Quiz — https://missjaiya.com/Disclaimer These conversations reflect our own observations and experiences and are not professional or institutional advice. They do not reflect the thoughts or opinions of employers, family, or guests, nor imply their approval of the content shared.

    51 min
  5. Inside the Women's Pleasure Retreat: Fear, Desire, Firsts.... And a P***y Snorkel??🤿

    Apr 15

    Inside the Women's Pleasure Retreat: Fear, Desire, Firsts.... And a P***y Snorkel??🤿

    FIELD NOTES: What does it actually feel like to step into something new—for the first time, for real? In this episode of The Partnership Lab, the research phase turns into lived experience. Roz returns from a women’s pleasure retreat, and together we unpack what actually happened—not just the events themselves, but the emotional, mental, and relational impact of stepping outside the familiar. From fear and self-reflection to desire, communication, and first physical experiences, this episode captures what it looks like when theory becomes reality. Not perfectly. Not cleanly. But honestly. This isn’t the idea of it anymore. This is what it feels like. In This Episode Inside the women’s retreat: setting, structure, and first impressionsAcknowledging fear—and what happens when you say it out loudDesire vs. anxiety: learning to listen to what you actually wantLeft brain vs. right brain: fear, control, and curiosityUsing your inner critic as a tool instead of a barrierConsent frameworks (FRIES) and what “enthusiastic” really meansPracticing “the ask” and how to clearly communicate desireFirst experiences: flogging, sensual touch, and group dynamicsOverstimulation, boundaries, and learning your limits in real timeDiscovering unexpected turn-ons (and surprises along the way)What it felt like to be home vs. away—for both Roz and MaxJealousy, anxiety, and communication gaps from the partner perspectiveWhat we’d change next time (especially around communication)Contact us at with comments, questions, stories, advice, encouragement, or whatever else you want to send: thepartnershiplabpodcast@gmail.com Suggested resources mentioned in the episode: Expansive Connection — https://www.expansiveconnection.com/Sapio Tours — https://sapiotours.com/Monogamish Marriage Podcast — https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-monogamish-marriage/id1586549659BDSM Test — https://bdsmtest.org/How to Build a Sex Room — https://www.netflix.com/title/81220971Erotic Blueprint Quiz — https://missjaiya.com/Where Should We Begin? (ice breaker card game) - Esther PerelBeyond Anxiety — Martha BeckThe Body Keeps the Score — Bessel van der KolkRoz's Strappy Red Outfit from Garden Party (you're welcome) - https://a.co/d/0bnYwcerDisclaimer These conversations reflect our own observations and experiences and are not professional or institutional advice. They do not reflect the thoughts or opinions of employers, family, or guests, nor imply their approval of the content shared.

    1h 50m
  6. We Haven't Done Anything Yet... So Why Does This Feel So Hard 😏

    Apr 8

    We Haven't Done Anything Yet... So Why Does This Feel So Hard 😏

    PROTOCOL ENTRY: What does it actually look like to prepare—mentally, emotionally, and relationally—before taking your first step into something new? In this episode of The Partnership Lab, we’re in the research phase. Before anything happens, before any lines are crossed, before any real-world experiences—we’re doing the work. Roz is preparing for a women’s retreat focused on pleasure, desire, and self-discovery, and together we walk through what that preparation actually looks like in real time. From homework assignments and self-reflection exercises to a live hall pass conversation, this episode captures the questions, boundaries, and emotions that come up before taking a first step. This isn’t a recap. This is the lead-up. In This Episode What we’ve been up to since Episode 1Roz’s upcoming women’s retreat and what drew her to itThe “homework” assignments leading up to the retreatErotic blueprints and BDSM test resultsA real-time hall pass conversation (before anything happens)Boundaries, communication, and how we’re approaching this intentionallyExcitement, fears, and what we’re both feeling going into itContact us at with comments, questions, stories, advice, encouragement, or whatever else you want to send: thepartnershiplabpodcast@gmail.com Suggested resources mentioned in the episode: Expansive Connection - https://www.expansiveconnection.com/Sapio Tours - https://sapiotours.com/Monogamish Marriage Podcast - https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-monogamish-marriage/id1586549659BDSM Test - https://bdsmtest.org/How to Build a Sex Room - https://www.netflix.com/title/81220971Erotic Blueprint Quiz - https://missjaiya.com/Roz's Walk-On Music:https://music.apple.com/us/album/stand-out/1452864288?i=1452864786https://music.apple.com/us/album/high-hopes/1361152002?i=1361152303Max's Walk-On Music (Secret Show Note Easter Egg):https://music.apple.com/us/album/the-man/1440900336?i=1440900406Disclaimer These conversations reflect our own observations and experiences and are not professional or institutional advice. They do not reflect the thoughts or opinions of employers, family, or guests, nor imply their approval of the content shared.

    1h 10m
  7. From "I'd Be Too Jealous" to "Let's Make a Podcast!" 🎙️

    Apr 8

    From "I'd Be Too Jealous" to "Let's Make a Podcast!" 🎙️

    How does a long-term, monogamous relationship turn into a conversation about opening up? In this first episode of The Partnership Lab, we share how we got here - from growing up with traditional views on sex and relationships, to reconnecting after years together, and beginning to explore consensual non-monogamy .... before anything has actually happened. We talk about the messages we were given about sex, what out early relationships looked like, and how a single conversation eventually turned into months of reflection, research, deeper intimacy and communication. We're still in the "research phase", and that's exactly the point. This podcast is about exploring our relationship, and how we relate with others, in real time. We'll share what we're learning along the way with curiosity, communication, and intention. In This Episode How we met and built our 20+ year relationship togetherWhat we were taught (and not taught) about sex, monogamy, and relationshipsHow life's stressors weakened our connection, and how we've recaptured that sparkThe first conversation about opening up, including whose first reaction was "I'd be too jealous", and how their perspective shifted over timeWhat we're exploring nextContact us at with comments, questions, stories, advice, encouragement, or whatever else you want to send: thepartnershiplabpodcast@gmail.com Suggested resources mentioned in the episode: The Monogamish Marriage - https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-monogamish-marriage/id1586549659Naughty Gym - https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/naughty-gym-show-building-stronger-non-monogamous-relationships/id1701360007Hacking Love - https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/hacking-love-deepening-commitment-through-open-relationships/id1770657936Disclaimer These conversations reflect our own observations and experiences and are not professional or institutional advice. They do not reflect the thoughts or opinions of employers, family, or guests, nor imply their approval of the content shared.

    52 min

Ratings & Reviews

5
out of 5
3 Ratings

About

What happens when two scientists turn their marriage into a study in love, relationships, and consensual non-monogamy? The Partnership Lab is a relationship podcast exploring open relationships, ethical non-monogamy (ENM), communication, and modern marriage — recorded in real time from the very beginning of our journey into the lifestyle. We’re not gurus. We’re not coaches. We’re not here to tell you how to do it. We’re documenting what happens when a committed couple questions the default settings of marriage — and designs something more intentional. Each episode is a field note. Jealousy becomes a variable. Communication becomes a method. Desire becomes data. Connection becomes something that might expand — if handled with care. You’ll hear the real conversations: the fear, the excitement, the renegotiation, the “are we really doing this?” moments. This podcast is for couples feeling a shift, partners asking “what else is possible?”, and anyone curious about ethical non-monogamy done thoughtfully. We believe openness isn’t the opposite of commitment — it might be a deeper form of it. That’s our hypothesis. Let’s test it out. Topics include: open relationships, ethical non-monogamy (ENM), swinging, communication, boundaries, jealousy, and long-term partnership.

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