Just Killing Time

Elizabeth Stanton
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 If you've ever felt like the official story just doesn't add up, you're in the right place. Just Killing Time with Elizabeth Stanton unravels true crime cases and the conspiracies lurking beneath them — one uncomfortable truth at a time. 

  1. 3d ago

    ETHICALLY IMPOSSIBLE - The Guatemala Experiments

    Before there was Tuskegee's whistleblower, there was Guatemala — and almost nobody knew about it for 60 years. 🩺 Between 1946 and 1948, the U.S. Public Health Service — under Dr. John C. Cutler — deliberately infected more than 1,300 Guatemalan prisoners, sex workers, soldiers, psychiatric patients, and orphaned children with syphilis, gonorrhea, and chancroid, without consent, to test venereal disease prevention methods for American soldiers. In this episode of Just Killing Time, Elizabeth Stanton walks through: 🔎 The failed Indiana prison experiment that led researchers to Guatemala 🔎 The direct inoculation methods used — including injections at the base of the skull 🔎 The staggering fact that this ran the SAME YEAR the Nuremberg Code was written to prevent exactly this kind of experimentation 🔎 How historian Susan Reverby uncovered it by accident in 2003 🔎 President Obama's 2010 apology to Guatemala's president 🔎 The lawsuits that never resulted in a single dollar of compensation 🔎 The chilling fact that Dr. Cutler later worked on the Tuskegee Syphilis Study too This is truth, crime, conspiracy, and hidden history — the version of American history that doesn't make it into a textbook. 🕯️ "This is Just Killing Time, I am your host Elizabeth Stanton, this is a podcast about truth, crime, conspiracy, and a little hidden history sprinkled in." 📚 SOURCES: Presidential Commission for the Study of Bioethical Issues ("Ethically Impossible," 2011) • Susan Reverby, Journal of Policy History (2011) • CDC review of the John C. Cutler Papers • National Archives at Atlanta • PBS NewsHour • Al Jazeera • Baltimore Sun • CourtListener.com case records • National Library of Medicine (PMC) 💌 Got a hidden history or true crime lead? Send it in for the Time Killer Files. 🔔 Follow Just Killing Time on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Amazon Music, and iHeartRadio so you never miss an episode. #JustKillingTime #GuatemalaExperiment #HiddenHistory #TrueCrime #MedicalHistory #TimeKillers

  2. 5d ago

    TUSKEGEE - The Bad Blood Study & The Government That Gave People Syphilis

    🩸 They called it "bad blood." It was syphilis — and the U.S. government let it run untreated in 600 Black men for 40 years, on purpose. Episode 37 of Just Killing Time takes you inside the Tuskegee Syphilis Study, the U.S. Public Health Service's 1932–1972 experiment in Macon County, Alabama that has become the defining case study in American medical ethics and government betrayal. Host Elizabeth Stanton walks through the real, documented history: what syphilis and "bad blood" actually meant medically and culturally in the Jim Crow South, the brutal mercury-and-arsenic treatments doctors used before penicillin existed, and exactly how — and why — the government let a curable disease run its full course in human beings who trusted them. 🔍 What you'll learn in this episode: • Why Dr. Thomas Parran's 1929 report named Macon County the "ideal location" for a no-treatment syphilis study • The real folk-medicine meaning of "bad blood," and how the government weaponized a trusted local term • The actual medicine dangled in front of these men — arsenicals, bismuth, mercury, and the deceptive "Last Chance for Special Free Treatment" letters• Nurse Eunice Rivers, the Black public health nurse whose complicated 40-year role in the study is still debated by historians • Whistleblower Peter Buxtun, who was ignored for six years before AP reporter Jean Heller broke the story in 1972 • The $10 million settlement, the National Research Act, the Belmont Report, and how they built the informed-consent rules that govern medicine today • President Clinton's 1997 apology and survivor Herman Shaw's response, in his own words • Why public health officials still cite Tuskegee today when explaining medical mistrust in Black communities This is hidden history — fully documented, apologized for by a sitting U.S. president, and still barely covered in American classrooms. 📖 📚 Sources cited on-air include: Britannica; HISTORY.com; The Washington Post; James H. Jones's "Bad Blood: The Tuskegee Syphilis Experiment"; The American Scholar; BET News (Jean Heller interview); OJIN: The Online Journal of Issues in Nursing; Harvard's Schlesinger Library Black Women Oral History Project; The Baltimore Sun; the Clinton White House Archives official transcript; Encyclopedia of Alabama; and Actas Dermo-Sifiliográficas. ❓ Quick facts for anyone searching this case: The Tuskegee Syphilis Study ran from 1932 to 1972 in Macon County, Alabama. It involved 600 Black men — 399 with syphilis, 201 without, as a control group. Researchers told participants they had "bad blood" rather than disclosing their actual diagnosis. At least 28 men died directly of syphilis, roughly 100 more died of related complications, 40 wives were infected, and 19 children were born with congenital syphilis. The study ended after AP journalist Jean Heller's 1972 exposé, and President Clinton formally apologized to survivors in 1997. 💬 Time Killers, this one is heavy — I want to know what stood out to you. Send your thoughts, and if you've got a case for a future Time Killer Files segment, you know where to find me. 🎙️ Just Killing Time is a true crime, conspiracy, and hidden history podcast hosted by Elizabeth Stanton. New episodes cover the cases and cover-ups your history class skipped — the stuff that's HIS-story, not history. Thank you for killing time with me today. 🖤 #Tuskegee #HiddenHistory #TrueCrime #MedicalHistory #GovernmentExperiments #JustKillingTime #TuskegeeSyphilisStudy #BlackHistory #MedicalEthics #ConspiracyPodcast

  3. Sep 17

    THE GERM OF LAZINESS - The Rockefeller Hookworm Crusade

    🪱 "The Germ of Laziness" — the hidden history of hookworm, the Rockefeller cover-up, and the disease America pretended it cured. For three centuries, poor Southerners were dismissed as lazy, backward, and shiftless. The truth was a parasite: Necator americanus, the hookworm, quietly infecting an estimated 40% of the Southern population by the early 1900s. In this episode of Just Killing Time, host Elizabeth Stanton traces the story from Dr. Charles Wardell Stiles's 1902 discovery, through the New York Sun headline that branded hookworm "the germ of laziness," to the formation of the $1 million Rockefeller Sanitary Commission for the Eradication of Hookworm Disease in 1909. 🔎 Inside this episode: the internal Rockefeller memos that show administrator Wickliffe Rose deliberately hiding the Rockefeller name from Southern communities; the racial theories Stiles built into his own public health messaging; the "hookworm picnics," free dispensaries, and school catechisms used to fight the disease across 11 Southern states; and the uncomfortable truth uncovered in 2017 — a Baylor College of Medicine DNA study found hookworm still infecting residents of Lowndes County, Alabama, a discovery that triggered a 2021 Department of Justice civil rights investigation into the state's sanitation system. This episode blends documented fact with Elizabeth's own labeled opinion and commentary — always clearly separated so you know exactly what's history and what's her take. Conspiracy, true crime, and hidden history fans: this one connects 1902 to 2025 in a way that will make you look at "the lazy South" stereotype completely differently. 🎙️ Just Killing Time is a true crime, conspiracy, and hidden history podcast hosted by Elizabeth Stanton, exploring the cases and cover-ups your history class skipped. Our schools teach HIS-story — the version those in power want remembered. This show tells the other version. 📩 Got a Time Killer Files story of your own? Email the show — every submission gets read. 📚 Sources: Facing South ("The Great Hookworm Crusade" by Allen Tullos); NOVA/PBS ("How a Worm Gave the South a Bad Name" by Rachel Nuwer); Hektoen International ("The Germ of Laziness"); Wikipedia and Encyclopedia.com (Charles Wardell Stiles biographical entries); Equal Justice Initiative; Baylor College of Medicine; American Journal of Tropical Medicine and Hygiene (McKenna et al., 2017); Vice; Governing; The Guardian via PressReader; Duke University Bass Connections. Full citations in the show notes. 🔔 New episodes of Just Killing Time drop regularly — subscribe on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Amazon Music, or iHeartRadio so you never miss one. #JustKillingTime #HiddenHistory #Hookworm #RockefellerFoundation #TrueCrimePodcast #AmericanHistory #MedicalHistoryPodcast #SouthernHistory

  4. Sep 15

    CONTAIN & ELIMINATE - The AMA vs Chiropractic

    🩺⚖️ "Contain and eliminate" — two words buried in a federal court record that expose one of the most stunning hidden-history stories in American medicine. In this deep-dive episode of Just Killing Time, Elizabeth Stanton uncovers the true, documented story of the American Medical Association's secret Committee on Quackery, formed in 1963 with one internal mission: destroy the chiropractic profession before it could grow. This episode is lovingly dedicated to Elizabeth's husband, Dr. Jason Stanton — a practicing chiropractor for over 20 years before his retirement — whose entire career unfolded inside the long shadow of a documented medical conspiracy most patients never knew existed. ❤️ 🕰️ THE STORY: From D.D. Palmer's very first chiropractic adjustment on deaf janitor Harvey Lillard in 1895 Davenport, Iowa, to B.J. Palmer's media empire, to Morris Fishbein's decades running JAMA and branding chiropractors "cultists," to the 1967 AMA ethics rule that made it professionally forbidden for a medical doctor to so much as refer a patient to a chiropractor — this episode traces the entire arc of a war most Americans have never heard about. ⚖️ THE LAWSUIT: In 1976, Chicago chiropractor Chester Wilk — armed with internal AMA documents leaked by a whistleblower he nicknamed "Sore Throat," a nod to Watergate's "Deep Throat" — filed a federal antitrust lawsuit against the AMA. Eleven years later, in 1987, U.S. District Judge Susan Getzendanner ruled against the AMA, finding it had engaged in an illegal boycott and conspiracy in violation of the Sherman Antitrust Act. The ruling was upheld on appeal in 1990. 🧠 THE NUANCE: This episode doesn't just tell the satisfying half of the story — Elizabeth also covers Judge Getzendanner's own careful clarification that her ruling was about illegal conduct, NOT a scientific endorsement of chiropractic itself — and shares her own clearly-labeled personal opinion on why that distinction actually makes the ruling more credible, not less. 🗂️ FULL SOURCE LIST: - Wilk v. American Medical Association, 671 F. Supp. 1465 (N.D. Ill. 1987), Justia Law - Wilk v. American Medical Association, 895 F.2d 352 (7th Cir. 1990) - Journal of Chiropractic Education — "Looking back at the lawsuit that transformed the chiropractic profession," Parts 4 and 5 (via PMC/NCBI and Meridian Allen Press) - Chicago Reader — "Chiropractors vs. AMA" - Dynamic Chiropractic — "Wilk vs. AMA: Was It Worth the Fight?" - Chiropractic Economics — "Wilk v. AMA: Almost Thirty Years Later" - Foundation for Chiropractic Progress — "Contain and Eliminate" - Wikipedia — "History of Chiropractic," "Morris Fishbein," "Wilk v. American Medical Association," "William Harvey Lillard" - Palmer College of Chiropractic Library — D.D. Palmer First Adjustment archival collection 🎙️ Just Killing Time with Elizabeth Stanton is a true crime, conspiracy, and hidden history podcast — because our schools teach us HIS-story, the version those in power want us focused on, not the true, documented history underneath it. 🔍 💬 Time Killers, email me your own family's chiropractic story for a future Time Killer Files segment! 🔔 Follow the show so you never miss a new episode.

  5. Sep 11

    BULLETIN NUMBER 4 - How Rockefeller Money Rewrote Medicine

    🩺 How did a man who never went to medical school end up deciding the fate of American medicine? Welcome to "Bulletin Number Four" — the true story of the 1910 Flexner Report, the Rockefeller and Carnegie money behind it, and the century of plant medicine it quietly erased. Abraham Flexner had a degree in classics. He'd never treated a patient. And in 1910, his 346-page report — Carnegie Foundation Bulletin Number Four — became the single most consequential document in American medical history. Within thirty years, eclectic botanical medicine and homeopathy were nearly wiped from accredited American medical education. 🌿 🔍 In this episode: • The undisclosed family tie between Flexner and the Rockefeller Institute for Medical Research • The $180+ million Rockefeller funneled into medical schools that fell in line — with documented evidence that $0 went to homeopathic institutions • Real eclectic remedies — echinacea and goldenseal — and the physicians who documented them for over a century, straight from King's American Dispensatory • The closure of five of America's seven Black medical colleges, and the estimated 35,000+ physicians the field lost as a result • A 1990 discovery: a century of American plant medicine found molding in a Cincinnati basement • The irony historians rarely mention: Rockefeller personally used homeopathic medicine his entire adult life, per biographer Ron Chernow's "Titan" — while his foundation defunded it for everyone else • A preview of the 1987 federal court ruling against the AMA for an illegal conspiracy against chiropractors • An honest fact-check of a viral claim about Rockefeller and petroleum-based medicine Every claim in this episode is sourced on the record — because this show runs on documented history, not just a good rumor. 📚 Full source list: Flexner Report (1910, Ch. 10); Ron Chernow's "Titan" (1998); "Rockefeller, the Flexner Report, and the American Medical Association" (2025); PMC research on the Flexner Report's impact on CAM medicine; Cincinnati Sites and Stories; United Plant Savers; Dr. Christopher Hobbs on echinacea history; Felter and Lloyd's "King's American Dispensatory" (1898); Wilk v. American Medical Association (N.D. Ill. 1987; 7th Cir. 1990); Logically Facts; declassified CIA Dispatch 1035-960 (1967); Britannica. 🎙️ Just Killing Time with Elizabeth Stanton is a podcast about truth, crime, conspiracy, and a little hidden history sprinkled in. Our schools teach HIS-story. I'm here for the rest of it. 📧 Have a Time Killer File — a case, a cover-up, or a piece of hidden history that deserves its own episode? Email JustKillingTimePodcast@gmail.com. I read every single one. ⏱️ Runtime: ~30 minutes

  6. Sep 2

    THEY CALLED IT MERCY- Kansas's Forced Sterilization Program

    🩸 She went in for what she thought was an appendix surgery. She was 19. Kansas sterilized her — and 2,850+ other people — without full consent, under a law that stayed on the books for 52 years. In this episode of Just Killing Time, Elizabeth Stanton uncovers the true, documented history of Kansas's forced sterilization program — one of the longest-running eugenics programs in American history, running quietly in our own home state from 1913 until 1965. 🔍 What's covered: 🩺 Dr. F. Hoyt Pilcher's unauthorized 1894 castrations at the Winfield asylum — before any law even existed ⚖️ Kansas's 1913 and 1917 sterilization laws, and how judicial oversight was deliberately stripped away 👶 The forgotten true-crime origin of the 1913 law: 9-year-old Edna Dinsmore's 1912 murder in Topeka 🏛️ Buck v. Bell (1927) and Justice Holmes's chilling "three generations of imbeciles are enough" 📜 Kansas's own Supreme Court case, State ex rel. Smith v. Schaffer (1928) 👧 The Kansas Industrial School for Girls in Beloit — 62 teenage girls sterilized in 18 months under superintendent Lula Coyner 🗣️ Kathryn O'Loughlin McCarthy, Kansas's first congresswoman, who blew the whistle in 1937 🎪 The 1925 "Fitter Family" contest at the Kansas Free Fair — judged in part by James Naismith 🏥 A clear, plain-language breakdown of castration vs. vasectomy vs. salpingectomy vs. hysterectomy 🔓 What occupies the old Winfield hospital site today Over 2,851 documented sterilizations happened in Kansas alone. At least 32 U.S. states ran similar programs. Buck v. Bell has never been formally overturned. This is the Kansas history nobody taught you. 📩 Submit your own hidden history for the Time Killer Files: JustKillingTimePodcast@gmail.com ⚠️ CONTENT WARNING: This episode discusses forced/nonconsensual medical procedures, child sexual abuse, the murder of a child, and institutional abuse in detail. Listener discretion is strongly advised. 📚 Sources: Kansas Historical Society records; State ex rel. Smith v. Schaffer, 126 Kan. 607 (1928); Buck v. Bell, 274 U.S. 200 (1927); contemporary newspaper archives including the Chanute Daily Tribune; The Incorrigibles: The Kansas Industrial School for Girls and the Politics of Sterilization; Kansas Department of Corrections records. 🎙️ Just Killing Time with Elizabeth Stanton — Truth | Crime | Conspiracy. Available on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Amazon Music, iHeartRadio & YouTube.

  7. Aug 20

    SLAVEMASTER - The First Internet Serial Killer

    🪣 The first serial killer to hunt his victims on the internet sealed 8 women in barrels — and used forged emails to keep them "alive" for years. In June 2026, Kansas decided if he lives or dies. This is the John Edward Robinson "Slavemaster" story. 💀 John Edward Robinson Sr. was an Eagle Scout, a Sunday school teacher, a Scoutmaster, a father of four — and a lifelong con man responsible for at least 8 murders across Kansas and Missouri between 1984 and 2000. When he got out of prison in 1993 and discovered the earliest internet chatrooms, he became "Slavemaster" — trolling BDSM chatrooms under fake identities, isolating women with promises of jobs, money, and travel, then killing them and using pre-signed letters and hijacked email accounts to convince their families they were still alive. 🖥️ How Robinson pioneered using the internet to hunt victims — decades before online predators became a mainstream fear 👶 Lisa Stasi's disappearance and the forged adoption that put her infant daughter, Heather, in the home of Robinson's own brother 🛢️ The barrels found on Robinson's Linn County, Kansas farm and in a Raymore, Missouri storage unit 🐕 The dog that cracked the case: how one detail from a grieving mother unraveled sixteen years of cover-up ⚖️ The longest trial in Kansas history, the 2005 Missouri plea deal, and the 2015 Kansas Supreme Court ruling 🚨 BREAKING NEWS: Governor Laura Kelly's June 2026 denial of Robinson's clemency request, his attorney's pushback, and what it means for one of the oldest men on death row in the country 🎙️ Elizabeth's full, clearly-labeled opinion on the clemency decision, capital punishment, and why six of Kansas's fifteen death sentences since 1994 came out of Sedgwick County alone Victims: Lisa Stasi, Paula Godfrey, Catherine Clampitt, Beverly Bonner, Sheila Faith, Debbie Faith, Izabela Lewicka, and Suzette Trouten. As always on Just Killing Time, documented facts and Elizabeth's personal opinions are clearly labeled and separated throughout the episode. 💌 Got your own Time Killer File — a true crime case, a conspiracy, or a piece of hidden history you want covered? Email Elizabeth directly. Your story could end up in a future episode. JustKillingTimePodcast@gmail.com 🎧 Listen and subscribe on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Amazon Music, and iHeartRadio. New episodes of true crime, conspiracies, and hidden history every week. #JustKillingTime #TrueCrimePodcast #JohnRobinson #Slavemaster #KansasTrueCrime #SerialKiller #TrueCrime #DeathRow

  8. Aug 18

    NINE LIVES ON 1-35 - The Verna & Roger Stafford Murders

    This episode is dedicated to my best friend who I call sister, Dena Tackett. We have driven up and down I-35 for each other for decades. Right now, while this episode is live, a decision is sitting on Oklahoma Governor Kevin Stitt's desk that could put a mass murderer back on the street. In August 2026, a divided Oklahoma parole board voted 3-2 to recommend release for Verna Stafford — a woman who, alongside her husband Roger and his brother Harold, was part of one of the most brutal killing sprees in Oklahoma history. In the summer of 1978, the Staffords staged a fake highway breakdown on Interstate 35 near Purcell, Oklahoma, luring an Air Force family — Melvin Lorenz, his wife Linda, and their 12-year-old son Richard — to their deaths for six hundred dollars. Three weeks later, they walked into a Sirloin Stockade restaurant in Oklahoma City, robbed it, and murdered six employees — a pastor filling in for a night shift and four teenagers working summer jobs — inside the restaurant's walk-in cooler. This episode covers all of it: the highway trap, the massacre in the cooler, the drunk phone call Roger himself made from a Chicago payphone that accidentally broke the case wide open, Verna's plea deal and testimony against her husband, Roger's execution in 1995, and the parole hearing that happened just this month — including the raw, emotional testimony from victims' families and Verna's own statement to the board. I'm also sharing exactly where I land on her "controlled wife" defense, and I don't think everyone's going to agree with me. This is a hard one, Time Killers. Nine names, nine families, and a case that is very much not over yet. If this episode moved you, the best way to support the show is by leaving a rating or review wherever you're listening — it genuinely helps other true crime listeners find us. And if you've got your own highway story, a case from your home state, or a piece of hidden history you think belongs on Just Killing Time, email me directly — that's what the Time Killer Files are for. Thank you for Killing Time with me tonight. Sources referenced in this episode include Oklahoma Court of Criminal Appeals records (Stafford v. State), OSBI investigation reporting, The Daily Oklahoman, the Muskogee Phoenix, The Oklahoman, and reporting on the August 2026 Oklahoma Pardon and Parole Board hearing. Just Killing Time with Elizabeth Stanton is a true crime, conspiracy, and hidden history podcast. New episodes drop regularly — subscribe so you don't miss episode 32.

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 If you've ever felt like the official story just doesn't add up, you're in the right place. Just Killing Time with Elizabeth Stanton unravels true crime cases and the conspiracies lurking beneath them — one uncomfortable truth at a time. 

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  • Creator
    Elizabeth Stanton
  • Years Active
    2026
  • Episodes
    38
  • Rating
    Explicit
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    © 2026 Just Killing Time
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