The Superintelligence Podcast

Kim Isenberg & Peter Thum

The people building the AI future — unfiltered. We sit down regularly to talk with founders, researchers, and operators actually doing it. No hype. Real conversations about what’s working, what’s breaking, and what’s coming next. From frontier labs to startups. This is Superintelligence. 

  1. Aug 14

    Is Europe actually building sovereign AI—or simply running American models with a European postcode?

    In this episode of Means of Production, Kim Isenberg and Peter Thum sit down with PandaOS co-founders Philipp Türker and Marco Szeidenleder to examine what technological sovereignty really means in the age of AI. The conversation explores Europe’s dependence on US frontier models, why hosting a foreign model in a European data center does not automatically create sovereignty, and whether European companies need to rethink how they control their data, infrastructure, and access to AI. Philipp and Marco explain why sovereignty should not mean isolation. Instead, it means maintaining optionality: controlling your data and keys, being able to choose between different models, and switching providers “on a random Tuesday without everything breaking.” They also discuss the potential of local inference and self-hosting, the role of smaller specialized models, the strengths and weaknesses of Europe’s AI ecosystem, and how PandaOS is building a local AI workspace that connects models, tools, agents, applications, and data while keeping control in the hands of the user. A conversation about AI sovereignty beyond slogans—and what Europe must do if it wants genuine technological independence. Topics include: • Europe’s dependence on US AI companies • What “sovereign AI” actually means • Local inference and self-hosted models • Data ownership, security, and control • Switching models and providers without disrupting operations • European AI models and infrastructure • The AI Act and Europe’s regulatory strategy • PandaOS and the future of local AI workspaces

  2. Aug 3

    Can Cloudflare Make AI Companies Pay Creators? — Stephanie Cohen

    AI companies increasingly crawl and use content from the open web, while creators and publishers often receive neither meaningful traffic nor compensation in return. In this episode, Kim Isenberg speaks with Stephanie Cohen, Chief Strategy Officer at Cloudflare, about the company’s plan to reshape that relationship. They discuss why Cloudflare is giving website owners greater control over AI bots, the shift from Pay Per Crawl to Pay Per Use, and whether major AI companies are genuinely prepared to pay for the content their systems use. The conversation also explores Cloudflare’s new rules for distinguishing between search, training, and AI-agent traffic, the difficult relationship between Google Search and AI answers, and whether independent creators and small publishers can realistically benefit from this emerging market. Finally, Stephanie addresses the bigger questions: Should Cloudflare have the power to determine which bots can access the web? What happens if AI answers continue replacing clicks? And can the open web survive without a new economic model for original content? Topics include: How AI crawlers use online contentPay Per Crawl versus Pay Per UseGetting creators and publishers compensatedCloudflare’s new AI-bot controlsSearch, training, and agent trafficGoogle’s role in the changing web economyThe future of independent publishingWhether the open web can survive the AI transition

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The people building the AI future — unfiltered. We sit down regularly to talk with founders, researchers, and operators actually doing it. No hype. Real conversations about what’s working, what’s breaking, and what’s coming next. From frontier labs to startups. This is Superintelligence. 

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