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Life is hard. Depression, anxiety, loss, trauma, and broken relationships are part of living in a broken world—but no one is meant to face them alone. With Us with Pattie Krohn and Paige Payne is a Christian podcast about receiving and extending God’s care in the mess of real life. Together, we explore how entering into one another’s broken places becomes holy ground—not through formulas or quick fixes, but through presence, compassion, and the way God moves toward us. Each episode engages real struggles like mental health, grief, relational pain, and emotional healing, offering practical, Christ-centered care rooted in Scripture. Whether you’re walking through suffering yourself, coming alongside someone who is, or leading others in your church or small group, this podcast will help you care well. Because God is near to the brokenhearted—and when His people show up with His love, broken places can become holy ground.

  1. 2d ago

    Forgiveness & Reconciliation: Finding Freedom (with Dart & Justine McGlothen

    Forgiveness is a word that gets used so often it starts to lose its shape. Culture hands us two competing scripts—"just get over it and move on," or "it has to be earned, so cut them off"—and both leave God out entirely. In this episode, Pattie Krohn and Paige Payne give forgiveness its actual shape: what it feels like to be stuck in unforgiveness, what the Bible actually means by forgiveness versus reconciliation, and why Christians are forgiven in order to be set free from the slavery of unforgiveness. A guest joins to share what forgiveness has cost them—and what it has set them free to become. "Be kind and compassionate to one another, forgiving one another, just as God also forgave you in Christ." — Ephesians 4:32 In this episode: The quiet, often-missed signs of unforgiveness—restlessness, resentment, cynicism, and "moving on" instead of moving through painThe difference between forgiveness (unconditional and internal) and reconciliation (conditional on repentance)—and why conflating the two leaves people stuckRecognizing and releasing the debt: what we actually owe one another, and why the release belongs to God, not to usA guest shares their personal story of what forgiveness has cost—and the freedom it broughtAn Ask–Initiate–Invite pathway for walking alongside someone who is stuckRachael Denhollander's public confrontation of Larry Nassar as a picture of holding forgiveness and justice together, rather than as oppositesWhy "forgiving yourself" doesn't actually work—and what to reach for insteadHow to discern whether reconciliation is wise, possible, or unsafe Resources mentioned: Forgive: Why Should I and How Can I? — Timothy Keller — available wherever books are sold“Rebuilding Broken Trust” — Alasdair Groves, Journal of Biblical Counseling 35:2 — ccef.org“‘I Just Can’t Forgive Myself’: A Biblical Alternative to Self-Forgiveness” — Robert D. Jones, Journal of Biblical Counseling 14:2 — ccef.org“How to Discern True Repentance When Serious Sin Has Occurred” — Darby Strickland, Journal of Biblical Counseling 34:3 — ccef.orgIs It Abuse? — Darby Strickland — available wherever books are sold3Crosses Church Care Page & Care Sheets for additional resourcesMatthew 18:21–35; Matthew 6:14–15; Matthew 5:23–24; Romans 13:8; Romans 12:19; Romans 6:23 — biblegateway.com For Further Support: If you are holding a debt right now—someone who hurt you deeply, and you don't know how to let it go—forgiveness does not mean it didn't matter. It mattered. Releasing that debt to God is not weakness; it's what sets you free from carrying it. If you are discerning whether it's wise to trust again, caution is not sin—real change takes real time. Consider reaching out to a trusted pastor, counselor, or friend. You do not have to carry this alone. If what you're navigating involves abuse: reconciliation may genuinely not be wise or safe, and that does not mean you have failed to forgive. Abuse situations require professional and legal support alongside pastoral care. National Domestic Violence Hotline: 1-800-799-7233 | Text START to 88788 | thehotline.orgIf there is immediate danger, call 911. Share With Us: If this episode resonated, share it with someone and leave a review on Apple Podcasts or Spotify — it helps more people find the show.

  2. Oct 1

    Addiction & Strongholds (with Ricky Wade)

    Addiction is a diagnosis. A stronghold is something Scripture names. In this episode, Pattie Krohn and Paige Payne hold both together—naming what addiction and stronghold actually feel like from the inside, welcoming a guest who shares his own journey with addiction, and exploring why disease-based treatment alone isn't enough to bring down a fortress that only freedom, not willpower, can break. "For the strength of addiction and strongholds, there is a Savior stronger." —Episode Anchor In this episode: What addiction and stronghold actually feel like from the inside—the insatiable craving, the shame, the double lifeThe difference between a medical diagnosis and a spiritual stronghold—and why the church needs both lenses, not just oneGuest Ricky Wade shares his own journey with addiction and what helped him find a way outWhat Scripture says about the heart's drift toward strongholds—and the freedom only Christ givesWhy cognitive and medical treatment alone sees just a 3–5% long-term success rate—and what that gap revealsPractical ways to walk alongside someone caught in addiction without giving up on them Resources mentioned: Addictions: A Banquet in the Grave — Edward T. Welch — available wherever books are soldExtravagant Grace — Barbara Duguid — available wherever books are soldCCEF Podcast, "Addictions, Part 1 & 2," Where Life and Scripture Meet — ccef.org/podcast/addictions-part-1 and ccef.org/podcast/addictions-part-2-23Crosses Church Care Page & Care Sheets and additional resourcesEphesians 4:18–19; Isaiah 44:20; Galatians 5:1; Luke 4:18–19 — biblegateway.com For Further Support: If this episode surfaced an addiction or stronghold you've been carrying alone—or one someone you love is caught in—you don't have to face it alone. Consider reaching out to a trusted pastor, counselor, or a recovery-focused ministry. Getting help is not a failure of faith. Share With Us: If this episode resonated, share it with someone and leave a review on Apple Podcasts or Spotify — it helps more people find the show.

  3. Sep 17

    Trauma & PTSD: Trauma Destroys, Jesus Restores (with Amalia Hernandez-Sanchez)

    Trauma is not simply a bad memory or a season of difficulty. It is something that happens to the brain—something that rewires how a person experiences the present. In this episode, Pattie Krohn and Paige Payne carefully name what trauma and PTSD feel like from the inside: the hypervigilance that never turns off, the intrusive memories that enter without permission, the shame that becomes woven into identity. They explore what Scripture says about extreme suffering—and point to the One who has been in the darkest places and will go with us. “Whom trauma threatens to destroy, Jesus seeks to restore.” —Episode Anchor In this episode: The four features of trauma and PTSD: hypervigilance, intrusion, constriction, and shame—and what each one feels like from the insideWhy the traumatized person is not overreacting—and what the brain is actually doingHow Scripture names victims by name and removes the shame that does not belong to themPattie and Paige share personally from their experience walking alongside those who have been traumatizedGuests share what it was like to be in the middle of it—and what helpedWhy ‘forgive and forget’ and ‘I understand’ are never the right words—and what to say insteadWhat Jesus, the One most traumatized, offers to those who suffer Resources mentioned: Suffering and the Heart of God: How Trauma Destroys and Christ Restores — Diane Langberg — available wherever books are soldTrauma: Caring for Survivors — Darby Strickland — available wherever books are soldWhen Children Experience Trauma: Help for Parents and Caregivers — Darby Strickland — available wherever books are sold“Trauma” — Alistair Groves, Where Life and Scripture Meet (CCEF Podcast, October 2020) — ccef.org/podcast/trauma3Crosses Church Care Page & Care Sheets and additional resourcesPsalm 91:1–2; Psalm 56:8; John 16:33; Hebrews 2:17–18; 2 Corinthians 1 — biblegateway.com For Further Support If this episode surfaced a trauma you have been carrying alone, you don’t have to keep carrying it that way. Trauma and PTSD benefit from professional clinical care alongside pastoral support. Consider reaching out to a licensed counselor, your pastor, or a trusted friend. If you are experiencing persistent flashbacks, dissociation, or thoughts of self-harm, please connect with a mental health professional. You are not alone.

  4. Sep 3

    Eating Disorders & Self-Harm — Captivated by Captives (with Gigi Pertini)

    In this episode: What eating disorders and self-harm actually feel like from the inside — control, shame, and a war going on in the soulThe difference between disordered eating and an eating disorder, and how self-harm overlaps but stands apartA guest shares her own story and what helped her move from managing pain alone to depending on Jesus with itWhat Scripture reveals about the ancient instinct to control or punish the body — and why only Christ's blood is enoughPractical ways to enter someone's story without becoming "the enemy," and when to involve medical or professional care Resources mentioned: Love to Eat, Hate to Eat — Elyse Fitzpatrick — available wherever books are soldEating Disorders: The Quest for Thinness — Edward T. Welch — available wherever books are soldRelief Without Cutting — Amy Baker — available wherever books are sold"Going for Blood" — Edward T. Welch — ccef.org3Crosses Church Care Page & Care Sheets for additional resourcesHosea 7:14; Galatians 5:1, 5:6; 1 Peter 2:24; Isaiah 53:5 — biblegateway.com For further support: If this episode surfaced a struggle with food or self-harm that you've been carrying alone, please reach out today — to a pastor, counselor, physician, or trusted friend. You are not too much, and this is not too much for God's care to reach. If you or someone you love is in immediate physical danger — including a medical emergency from starvation, purging, or injury — call 911 or go to the nearest emergency room.If self-harm or suicidal thoughts are present, call or text 988 (Suicide & Crisis Lifeline), or text HOME to 741741 (Crisis Text Line).National Alliance for Eating Disorders Helpline: 1-866-662-1235 | allianceforeatingdisorders.com Share With Us: If this episode resonated, share it with someone and leave a review on Apple Podcasts or Spotify — it helps more people find the show.

  5. Aug 20

    People Pleasing & Codependency: Free to Love (with Larry Vold)

    In this episode: Why people-pleasing is not the same as love—and what makes it so hard to tell the differenceThe three ways people become too large in the people-pleaser’s world: as judge, provider, and masterWhy the solution is not better self-esteem or firmer limits—but the fear of GodPattie and Paige share personally from their own experiences with approval-seekingGuests share what it felt like to organize life around someone else’s reaction—and what it costWhat it looks like to walk alongside a people-pleaser without shaming them or rushing them toward quick fixesHow Jesus—warm, relational, and fiercely free—shows us what genuine love looks like Resources mentioned: When People Are Big and God Is Small — Edward T. Welch — available wherever books are soldWhat Do You Think of Me? Why Do I Care? — Edward T. Welch (Teen Edition) — available wherever books are soldGood Boundaries and Goodbyes — Lysa TerKeurst — available wherever books are soldThe Emotionally Destructive Relationships — Leslie Vernick — available wherever books are sold3Crosses Church Care Page & Care Sheets and additional resourcesProverbs 29:25; John 2:24–25; Mark 1:11; Romans 8:1; Psalm 16:1–3 — biblegateway.com For Further Support: If this episode surfaced something you’ve been managing alone—an exhaustion from keeping everyone happy, a loss of your own voice or sense of self—you don’t have to keep carrying it that way. Please reach out to a trusted friend, pastor, or counselor. Share With Us: If this episode resonated, share it with someone and leave a review on Apple Podcasts or Spotify—it helps more people find the show.

  6. Aug 6

    Abuse & Victimization: Captivated by Captives (with Jaylin Dempsey)

    The best counsel skilled therapists give to those who want to help survivors of abuse: do no harm. In this episode, Pattie Krohn and Paige Payne start there—with what survivors themselves want us to know. They name what abuse and victimization actually feel like from the inside, distinguish between the two with care, and explore what God says about those who have been harmed by the power of another. They point to Jesus—the One who entered oppression to free the oppressed—and to the compassionate, clear, and comforting care that follows His example. “Captivated by captives—Jesus entered into oppression to free the oppressed.” —Episode Anchor In this episode: The difference between abuse and victimization—and why the distinction shapes how we respondWhat abuse and victimization feel like from the inside: the shame, the confusion, the physical weight, the ‘honeymoon cycle’ that keeps people stuckPattie shares from her experience at a counseling center specializing in traumatized missionaries—and the counsel that shaped her careGuests share what it was like to name what was happening—and what helped them find their voiceWhat the Bible says about victims, perpetrators, and the God who distinguishes between themThree movements of care: compassion, clarity, and comfortWhy the moment of leaving an abusive situation is the most dangerous—and what caregivers need to know Resources mentioned: Domestic Abuse — Darby Strickland — available wherever books are soldInnocence Lost: Rebuilding After Victimization — David Powlison — available wherever books are soldThe Emotionally Destructive Marriage — Leslie Vernick — available at leslievernick.com and wherever books are soldOn the Threshold of Hope — Diane Langberg — available wherever books are sold3Crosses Church Care Page & Care Sheets and additional resourcesLuke 4:18–19; Psalm 55:6–7; Psalm 56:8; Ezekiel 34:12, 22; Philippians 2:7–8; Hebrews 13:5 — biblegateway.com If You Are in Danger National Domestic Violence Hotline: 1-800-799-7233 | Text START to 88788 | thehotline.org Childhelp National Child Abuse Hotline: 1-800-422-4453 If you are in immediate danger, call 911. You do not have to figure this out alone—please reach out If Someone You Know is in Danger If someone discloses active abuse or is in immediate danger: ask directly, ‘Are you safe right now?’ If there is immediate danger, call 911.National Domestic Violence Hotline: 1-800-799-7233 | Text START to 88788 | thehotline.orgChildhelp National Child Abuse Hotline: 1-800-422-4453 Abuse cases require professional and legal support alongside pastoral care. Connect with a pastor, licensed counselor, and where relevant, legal authorities. Do not carry this alone—and do not let others carry it alone. For Further Support If this episode surfaced wounds you have been carrying—whether recent or long ago—you are not alone. What was done to you was not your fault. Healing is possible, and it begins with speaking to someone safe. Consider reaching out to a trusted pastor, licensed counselor, or one of the resources above. Asking for help is not weakness. It is one of the bravest things a person can do.

  7. Jul 23

    Loneliness & Isolation — Unseen Presence (with Myah & Tracey Pitter)

    Loneliness is one of the most widespread and least talked-about experiences of our time. Nearly a third of adults feel lonely at least once a week — and yet the shame of it keeps most people silent. In this episode, Pattie Krohn and Paige Payne name what loneliness actually feels like from the inside, welcome guests who share their own seasons of painful isolation, and explore what it looks like to walk alongside someone who feels invisible — without rushing toward solutions or pointing them to a program. "No one has greater love than this: to lay down his life for his friends. You are my friends." — John 15:13 In this episode: The difference between aloneness, isolation, solitude, and loneliness — and why it mattersWhy loneliness is not a design flaw — and what God said before the FallPattie and Paige share personally from their own experiences of lonelinessGuests share what it felt like to be in a lonely season — and what helpedWhat it looks like to show up for someone who is lonely without trying to fix it Resources mentioned: Tori Comes Out of Her Shell: When You Are Lonely — Jayne V. Clark — available wherever books are soldThe Company We Keep: In Search of Biblical Friendship — Jonathan Holmes — available wherever books are sold3Crosses Church Care Page & Care Sheets and additional resourcesGenesis 2:18; John 15:13; John 11:35; Psalm 34:18 — biblegateway.com For further support: If this episode surfaced a loneliness you've been carrying alone, you don't have to keep carrying it that way. Consider reaching out to a trusted friend, pastor, or counselor. Asking for connection is not weakness — it is wisdom. Share With Us: If this episode resonated, share it with someone and leave a review on Apple Podcasts or Spotify — it helps more people find the show.

  8. Jul 9

    Unhealthy Relationships & Boundaries — Wise Love (with Pauleen Larcina)

    Almost everyone is navigating at least one hard relationship. But not every hard relationship is the same — and knowing the difference changes everything. In this episode, Pattie Krohn and Paige Payne reframe the conversation from boundaries to wise love, welcome a guest who shares their personal journey through a difficult relationship, and explore what it looks like to walk alongside someone who is exhausted, confused, and unsure whether they are the problem. "Let love be without hypocrisy. Detest evil; cling to what is good. Love one another deeply as brothers and sisters." — Romans 12:9–10 In this episode: The difference between a disappointing, difficult, and destructive relationship, and why the distinction mattersWhat it feels like from the inside — the exhaustion, the shame, the spiritual confusionPattie and Paige share personally from their own experiences of unhealthy relationshipsA guest opens up about what wise love required of them — and what it costHow to walk alongside someone in a hard relationship without handing them a formula Resources mentioned: Emotionally Destructive Relationships — Leslie Vernick — available wherever books are soldWhen People Are Big and God Is Small — Edward T. Welch — available wherever books are soldRelationships: A Mess Worth Making — Timothy Lane & Paul David Tripp — available wherever books are sold3Crosses Church Care Page & Care Sheets and additional resourcesRomans 12:9–10; John 2:24–25; John 13:1–17 — biblegateway.com For further support: If you are in a relationship where there is physical danger, do not walk away from this alone. Reach out for help today. National Domestic Violence Hotline: 1-800-799-7233Text START to 88788If there is immediate danger, call 911 Share With Us: If this episode resonated, share it with someone and leave a review on Apple Podcasts or Spotify — it helps more people find the show.

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Life is hard. Depression, anxiety, loss, trauma, and broken relationships are part of living in a broken world—but no one is meant to face them alone. With Us with Pattie Krohn and Paige Payne is a Christian podcast about receiving and extending God’s care in the mess of real life. Together, we explore how entering into one another’s broken places becomes holy ground—not through formulas or quick fixes, but through presence, compassion, and the way God moves toward us. Each episode engages real struggles like mental health, grief, relational pain, and emotional healing, offering practical, Christ-centered care rooted in Scripture. Whether you’re walking through suffering yourself, coming alongside someone who is, or leading others in your church or small group, this podcast will help you care well. Because God is near to the brokenhearted—and when His people show up with His love, broken places can become holy ground.

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  • Channel
    3Crosses Church
  • Creator
    Pattie Krohn & Paige Payne
  • Years Active
    2026
  • Episodes
    14
  • Rating
    Clean
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    © Copyright 2026 Pattie Krohn & Paige Payne
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