Margins: The Book Podcast

Tori Martin

Margins is a podcast about the books they told you not to take seriously — and why they were wrong. Every episode we go deep into one book, connect it to real life, and build one critical thinking skill. Read deeper. Think harder.

Season 1

  1. Episode 1

    Is Romance Fiction Anti-Intellectual? - Margins E1.S1.mp3

    "Is romance fiction anti-intellectual?" · Beach Reads by Emily Henry · Episode 1, Season 1 Somewhere along the way someone decided that a story about love was less serious than a story about war. Someone decided that joy was cheap and suffering was literary. Someone decided, and we all just kind of agreed. Well, I don't and I bet you don't either... ⋆.˚ ☾ .⭒˚ Join the Margins community on Instagram @eighthhousebooks! Drop your answer to this week's reflection prompt and let's think together.This episode we are diving into Beach Read by Emily Henry. We will cover: The literary hierarchy: why romance gets dismissed and who benefits from that dismissalGrief, betrayal, and the stories we tell ourselves to survive the people who disappoint usWhy optimism is harder and braver than cynicism, and why the literary world has it backwardsHow the dismissal of romance fiction connects to a much larger pattern of devaluing what women enjoy at scale This Episode's Critical Thinking Skill Identifying inherited assumptions An inherited assumption is a belief you hold not because you examined it but because the culture handed it to you. This week we learn to spot the difference between a conclusion you reached and one that was handed to you, and why that distinction matters everywhere, not just in how we talk about books. Reflective Prompt Pick one opinion you hold about books, art, music, or culture. Ask yourself: did I arrive at this through my own experience, or did someone hand it to me? Drop your answer on Instagram. I want to hear it. The Book Beach Read by Emily Henry Available wherever books are sold your local bookstore, library, or audiobook app. Find Margins ☾ Follow on Instagram @eighthhousebooks ⭒ If Margins made you think harder today, leave a review please? It helps more readers find the show. 🎙️ New episodes every Thursday! Episode Transcript This is Margins, where we read deeper, think harder, and question who gets to decide what's worth reading. I'm Tori, and you're exactly where you're supposed to be. Let's dive in. Somewhere along the way, someone decided that a story about war was serious and a story about love was not. Someone decided that suffering was literary and joy was cheap. Someone decided, and we all just kind of agreed. But I don't agree, actually, they were wrong, and today we're gonna dive into a book called Beach Read, a romance novel about two writers stuck next door to each other for a summer, proved it. I'm Tori. This is Margins, where we read deeper, think harder, and we're gonna dive in. Before we do dive in though, since this is the first episode, thanks for being here. I just want to briefly share real quick what you can expect from each episode. Each episode, we're going to be talking about one book, mostly about the themes and critical thinking areas that we can talk about. I don't want to necessarily talk about spoilers. I can't guarantee that that will never happen, just because I have not recorded every episode I will ever do or picked every book I'm gonna read. But, my goal is that you don't have to have read the book to listen to the episodes, but it would be really cool if you did read the book, or if you read after and then come back and listen, or, you know, you listen to this, maybe it entices you to, maybe I can convince you to read the book, maybe that's how we think of it. But, I really want this to be a collaborative experience as much as possible. I know that you are listening to this after I've already, you know, recorded it in real time, but, I hope as the, the podcast and the season progresses, you're able to just show up more. I will also say that although I have tried my best to keep these in an outline format and have time limits, and I'm not just babbling endlessly. These are also very real. I'm, I'm a very busy mom of two. I homeschool, I work, I do all sorts of things. So if these are not the most polished episodes that you've ever listened to, I deeply apologize, but also not sorry because that is better than perfect. And so you get real me, real talk, quite literally, and yeah, so anyway, we're gonna dive in real fast here. So, just briefly overview, you know, book and author context. We're reading Beach Read by Emily Henry, and this was her breakout book. It was, it was not her first book, but it was just kind of like, you know, the first big one. It was published in 2020, and it became a real talked about romance at the time, and I think, well, I mean, today is 2026 and we're still talking about it, so good for her she is one of the clearest thinkers writing in romance right now. And I say that having now read several of her books, I think that she does such a great job of presenting. These real topics and real lived experiences in her fictional works that I don't know, it just. I just think it's really great that she is consistently using her genres conventions to really examine something real about how people work, live, love, you know, all those things, and All right, so getting into the premise of the book here, January Andrews is a romance writer with writer's block after her father's death. Augustus Everett is a dark literary fiction author that lives right next door. They do have a slight past, like they're kind of, I don't wanna say competitors, but yeah, she kind of views them as competitors like January does, and this book, excuse me, this book is structurally a debate about what Fiction is for, and it uses romance to win that debate, which I, I think is perfect because it really sets this up. The whole point of margins, real fast, not to talk about the book, but the whole point of the podcast here was to talk about The things that people have kind of decided in the literary world, like what is, what what's worth reading, what's considered good fiction, what's, you know, what's worth your time? What's what actually counts as a book? I've made a post a few weeks ago, and I was kind of teasing the show, and I remember someone said that, a family member of theirs is like, yeah, but that's not a real book, like when what's the last like real book you read? I'm like, I'm sorry. Is it a figment of my imagination? Are we not holding the thing in our hands? Are we not turning the pages or listening to the audio? Like, how is it not real? And it's, I know, this constant anti-intellectualism debate is really what inspired this podcast, and to, of course, read more marginalized authors. I should note that real fast, sidebar. most of our books that we go into are either written by women or authors from marginalized communities, and that is very intentional. There are a few classics, but even then, just, well. Episode 4 is going to be on Frankenstein, which is written by Mary Shelley, and so that that's what I mean by classics, we're not reading like Huckleberry Finn or anything like that, that's never gonna happen here, so why this book? Why now, right? I'm kind of circling back to the book here. Romance is the best selling fiction genre in the world. Its readers are overwhelmingly women. It has been dismissed, mocked, mocked, and excluded from serious literary conversations for decades. That's not a coincidence, and Beach Read knows it, and I think that that is Why this book in particular, just really had to be the one, it was too perfect. It was too perfect. I had to have this be the one that started this whole series, because it frames this debate perfectly, especially because the authors do that. And in the book, that that's kind of the whole premise, right? Is that She's a romance author, he's not, and he's like they basically make a little deal to like swap genres and to see how. Not only hard is it to, or how hard it is to write romance and to write it well and meaningful or to make it still be, you know, meaningful, impactful, and Have it Be something that doesn't have to be serious, that doesn't have to be painful or like you don't have to suffer as a reader for it to be good, and for you to enjoy and love it, and for it to have an impact on you. And I think that was, like I said, it was just, it was too perfect when I read it. I was like, this is the one, this is the one I have to, I have to kick off this or this podcast with. How we're going to dive into a couple of themes. I have 3 laid out here, and if you have other themes or thoughts, I would love it if you would. At some point, comment, message me. You can find me on Instagram at eighth House Books, all spelled out one, you know, word. And yeah, let me, let me know what you think. If I, if I kind of go over any. Obviously, I can't do an exhaustive list, but I would absolutely love to interact with you. If you have other thoughts on, on these themes or anything that I missed, please let me know. OK, so theme one here is kind of the just the hierarchy of genres, and again, it's, it's just, it's set up too perfectly, right? So Gus, in the book, that's Augustus, he goes by Gus, represents the literary establishment. His work is dark, it's difficult, it's critically praised, he, you know, is that tortured soul, so to speak, and writes about it all the time. And January writes books people actually want to read, and then like gets apologetic about it at at at, you know, interactions and the book club and kind of like, oh, well, you know, it's it's not this, it's not this critically acclaimed thing. The book doesn't let Gus be right about this. It systematically, or it's just, excuse me, it systemically dismantles his position while making him fall in love with the person who proves him wrong. And I think that This is very evident in scenes like where January is kind of defending those happy endings to her readers, or excuse me, about her readers like with Gus. It's, it's not about just escapism, even though we love that in, you know, that's that's kind of the ongoing joke, right, when we're reading, especially, I read a lot of fantasy and I follow a lot of fantasy reade

  2. Episode 2

    What to do when the rules are written against you? - Margins E2 S1

    "What to do when the rules are written against you?" · The Serpent and the Wings of Night by Carissa Broadbent · Episode 2, Season 1 Imagine you are the only human in a world built entirely for vampires. Every rule, every system, every social structure exists to keep you weak, keep you prey, keep you small. And then imagine deciding — not just to survive it — but to beat it at its own game. That's Oraya. And today we're going to talk about what that actually means — not just as fantasy, but as something that maps onto every system that was designed without you in mind. ⋆.˚ ☾ .⭒˚ Join the Margins community on Instagram @eighthhousebooks! Drop your answer to this week's reflection prompt and let's think together.This episode we are diving into The Serpent and the Wings of Night by Carissa Broadbent. We will cover: Existing in a system designed to destroy youTrust as the ultimate vulnerability and the cost to live a life being knownIdentity when the world defines you as less thanRecognizing systemic disadvantage This Episode's Critical Thinking Skill Recognizing systemic disadvantage Systemic disadvantage is when the rules of a system — not individual bad actors — create unequal outcomes. Oraya isn't losing because individual vampires are being cruel to her on any given day. She's losing because the entire structure of her world treats humans as prey. Recognizing the difference between individual behavior and systemic design is one of the most important and underused critical thinking skills there is. It changes how you read situations, institutions, and power — and it starts with noticing when a system produces the same outcomes over and over regardless of who's in charge of it. Reflective Prompt This week's question: what system in your life were you handed a role in — and did you choose it or did it choose you? Drop your answer on Instagram. I want to hear it. The Book The Serpent and the Wings of Night by Carissa Broadbent Available wherever books are sold your local bookstore, library, or audiobook app. Find Margins ☾ Follow on Instagram @eighthhousebooks ⭒ If Margins made you think harder today, leave a review please? It helps more readers find the show. 🎙️ New episodes every Thursday! Find Margins ☾ Follow on Instagram @eighthhousebooks ⭒ If Margins made you think harder today, leave a review please? It helps more readers find the show. 🎙️ New episodes every Thursday!

  3. Episode 3

    Who Gets to Be the Hero of Their Own Story? - Margins E3S1mp3

    Ep 3 · Who Gets to Be the Hero? Trans Latinx Representation and the Power of Joy · Cemetery Boys by Aiden Thomas Think about the last ten books you read where someone fell in love or went on a quest. Who was the hero? What did they look like? What traditions did they celebrate? For most of the history of published fiction the answer to those questions has been pretty consistent — and the people who didn't fit that answer were sidekicks, villains, or background detail in someone else's story. Cemetery Boys by Aiden Thomas looked at that pattern and said: not anymore. This episode we're talking about who gets to be the hero of their own story — and why the answer to that question matters far beyond the page. ⋆.˚ ☾ .⭒˚ Join the Margins community on Instagram @eighthhousebooks! Drop your answer to this week's reflection prompt and let's think together.This episode we are diving into Cemetery Boys by Aiden Thomas. We will cover: What it means to prove yourself to the people who should already know you — and why being loved imperfectly is its own kind of lonelinessWhat Día de los Muertos actually is — and why writing from inside a tradition changes what a story can doWhy joy is a radical act in LGBTQIA+ fiction — and why the literary establishment is more comfortable with queer tragedy than queer happinessThe mirror and the window — what representation in fiction actually does for readers who have rarely seen themselves as the heroWhy "universal" is never a neutral word — and what it reveals about whose stories get taken seriously Why Proving Yourself to the People Who Love You Is the Hardest Thing Yadriel isn't trying to prove himself to strangers. He's trying to prove himself to his family — people who love him and are struggling to reconcile that love with who he actually is. Thomas does something rare and important here: the brujx community isn't villainous. Yadriel's father isn't a bad man. They're people who love their traditions deeply and are figuring out where Yadriel fits inside them. That complexity is more honest and more painful than a story where family is simply the obstacle to overcome. Being loved but not fully seen is its own kind of loneliness — and it might be harder than rejection outright. Rejection at least tells you clearly where you stand. Yadriel performing the ritual himself, proving his power before anyone validates it, is one of the book's most quietly radical acts. He doesn't wait for permission. He says: I know who I am. Lady Death knows who I am. And that's enough to start. What Día de los Muertos Actually Is — and Why It Changes Everything About This Book In Western culture, death is treated as an ending — something dark, something to be feared. Día de los Muertos is something completely different. It's a reunion. For those two days, the belief is that the spirits of loved ones can return, and the living prepare for that — building ofrendas with photographs, marigolds, and the favorite belongings of those they've lost. It's a celebration, not a mourning. Thomas has spoken about how his culture understands death not as the end but as a change in shape — that there's comfort in knowing every year you get to welcome those spirits back. That worldview is what makes a love story between a living boy and a ghost feel not tragic but complicated and real. Julian's death isn't the tragedy of the story. It's the complication. And that distinction only works because Thomas is writing from inside a tradition that understands death that way. This is own-voices representation in practice — not a checkbox, but a fundamental difference in what the story can do. Joy Is Not Less Serious Than Suffering — and Cemetery Boys Proves It So much LGBTQIA+ fiction — especially fiction centering trans characters — is about survival. About trauma, rejection, and loss. Those stories are necessary and real. But there is a cost to a world where the only trans stories being told are stories of suffering. It sends a message to trans readers that joy isn't available to them. That love is for other people. Thomas said he wanted to write a book where LGBTQIA and Latinx kids could see themselves as powerful heroes — supported, loved, and given a happy ending. Cemetery Boys delivers that without apology. Yadriel gets to be funny and stubborn and deeply loved. Julian gets to be complicated and worthy of being fought for. And the literary establishment's historical discomfort with queer joy over queer tragedy is not a neutral aesthetic preference — it is an inherited assumption masquerading as a literary standard. A happy ending for characters who rarely get one is not a small thing. It is one of the most political acts a writer can commit. This episode's critical thinking skill Questioning the default Every story has a default — a set of choices about who the protagonist is and whose experience is centered. Those defaults have been so consistent for so long that they start to feel natural. Inevitable. Questioning the default means noticing when something has been presented as neutral or universal when it's actually a specific choice — and asking who made that choice, why, and who gets erased by it. This skill works everywhere: in the news you consume, the history you were taught, and the workplaces you navigate. The default is never neutral. It is always a choice. Reflection Prompt Think about the stories you grew up with — books, movies, TV, anything. Did you see yourself in the hero? And if you did — have you ever thought about what it means that some people never did? The Book Cemetery Boys by Aiden Thomas Available wherever books are sold — your local independent bookstore, library, or audiobook app. Support indie bookstores where you can. Find Margins ☾ Follow on Instagram @eighthhousebooks ⭒ If Margins made you think harder today, leave a review please? It helps more readers find the show. 🎙️ New episodes every Thursday!

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Margins is a podcast about the books they told you not to take seriously — and why they were wrong. Every episode we go deep into one book, connect it to real life, and build one critical thinking skill. Read deeper. Think harder.