Built to Hold

Vertus Group

Built to Hold is a podcast about what it really takes to build—and preserve—durable businesses. In candid conversations with operators, investors, and business leaders, we explore strong fundamentals, disciplined growth, and customer-first decision-making that stands the test of time. Hosted by Sylvain Perrier, Group Leader at Vertus, Built to Hold features real lessons from people who’ve built real, enduring companies—and the intention it takes to keep them great.

Episodes

  1. Jun 9

    Built to Hold #5 - AI Without the Hype Pt. 2

    In Episode 5 of Built to Hold, Sylvain Perrier sits down with Jeremy List to explore what AI is actually changing inside product organizations — moving past the hype to operator-level execution across discovery, roadmap prioritization, engineering velocity, QA, and release management, and why that matters for VMS founders focused on margins, durability, and long-term value creation.  Jeremy List is the founder of Ervian, a product leader with deep experience building and modernizing software organizations. His expertise is rooted in a strong UX foundation, having started his career in user experience and design before moving into product management roles, including time at eBay. Over the past year he has rebuilt his own process around AI — validating product concepts in minutes instead of months and running an "army of agents" structured like a company. Having worked alongside engineering teams for years, Jeremy knows what good product, design, and code look like, which makes him uniquely positioned to talk about when to trust AI and when to do the work yourself. His grounded perspective on durable advantage — clear vision, deep domain expertise, customer relationships, and reach — makes him the right person for this conversation.  Jeremy's LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jeremylist/     Join our email list: https://5o05y9.share-na3.hsforms.com/2GYv4Wk0CSNCLVu23J9yPJA   #BuiltToHold   #VertusGroup   #ConstellationSoftware   #AI #ProductLeadership   #VerticalMarketSoftware

    30 min
  2. Apr 9

    #3 - AI Without the Hype

    In Episode 3 of Built to Hold, Sylvain Perrier sits down with Mark Fairhurst for a grounded discussion on what AI is changing for marketing teams, and what that means for owners of vertical market software businesses.  Mark Fairhurst is the founder of Undercurrents.AI, a strategic advisory practice that helps business and technology leaders see and act on the structural forces reshaping their markets. With over 20 years of B2B SaaS go-to-market experience across enterprise software, retail technology, insurtech, and compliance, Mark brings a transferable methodology honed by working across verticals where the competitive dynamics differ, but the strategic discipline doesn't. Most recently, as Chief Growth Marketing Officer at Mercatus, he led go-to-market for one of grocery retail's most established eCommerce platforms. Trained in AI business transformation and digital marketing strategy at Kellogg, and in AI-driven go-to-market through Pavilion, Mark now works with leaders who need more than an AI strategy deck — they need the operational clarity, context architecture, and commercial infrastructure to make AI a durable business advantage.  Mark’s LinkedIn  Join our email list Adventures by A Himitsu Creative Commons — Attribution 3.0 Unported— CC BY 3.0 Free Download / Stream: http://bit.ly/2Pj0MtT Music released by Argofox https://www.audiolibrary.com.co/a-him... Music promoted by Audio Library • Adventures – A Himitsu (No Copyright Music)

    34 min

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Built to Hold is a podcast about what it really takes to build—and preserve—durable businesses. In candid conversations with operators, investors, and business leaders, we explore strong fundamentals, disciplined growth, and customer-first decision-making that stands the test of time. Hosted by Sylvain Perrier, Group Leader at Vertus, Built to Hold features real lessons from people who’ve built real, enduring companies—and the intention it takes to keep them great.