Brave & Big

Joey Odom
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What if you could live a Brave and Big life? One where you have great friends, a thriving marriage, a plan to accomplish your goals; a life where you’re fit, spiritually healthy, and constantly becoming everything God created you to be.Welcome to Brave & Big. We are Chris Hart, founder and CEO of Brave Coaches, and Joey Odom, public speaker, author, and former tech co-founder, and we have been friends for over 25 years. Throughout our friendship, we have had thousands of conversations, have gotten better from each one, and want you to be part of those conversations. We’ll talk about what it means to be Brave and live Big - things like grit, living with no excuses, following Jesus, being a great parent, spouse, and friend. Sometimes it will just be the two of us and sometimes it will be high performing athletes, business leaders, and performers. At the end of each episode, you will walk away with a small step that you can immediately implement to take ground in your life.We’re glad you’re here. Let’s be Brave & live Big.

  1. 2d ago

    Ridiculously Simple Leadership: You’re Not Stuck, You’re Stewarding

    0:00 Why Nehemiah  1:07 From cupbearer to wall builder  2:44 Nehemiah 4:10: opposition from every side  3:41 Opposition doesn’t mean you’re out of God’s will  4:22 Harvest time is work time  6:21 The size of a problem and the value of the solution  6:58 Nehemiah 4:13: guarding the weakest places  8:38 Stationed by their families  9:46 Keep your why in proximity  11:41 You’re not stuck, you’re stewarding  13:57 Addicted to ease and excitement  14:59 Hard vs. strong  16:14 Imposter syndrome and never being qualified  18:02 Knowing what you bring to the table  20:00 A sword in one hand, a tool in the other  21:12 Nehemiah 6:3: “I am doing a great work”  21:41 Every distraction is a trap  23:13 Knowing your season  23:45 HALT: hungry, angry, lonely, tired  24:55 Distractions rarely look dangerous  26:11 Encouraging your spouse in their work  28:05 This week’s small step Nehemiah was a cupbearer to a king, not a contractor. But when he heard Jerusalem’s walls had been in ruins for over a century, something stirred in him, and he answered it. Then the opposition came from every direction: his own leaders said the rubble was too much, his enemies threatened to kill the builders, and his neighbors warned that attacks would come from everywhere. Joey Odom and Chris Hart walk through what Nehemiah did next, and why it still works. He didn’t pretend the wall had no weak spots. He stationed people at the lowest, most exposed places, and he stationed them by their families, so everyone defending a gap could see exactly what they were fighting for. Keep your why close, and you won’t flinch when it comes at you. Then the warning that might be the most important line in the episode: in Nehemiah’s case, the enemy wasn’t trying to destroy the wall. He was trying to distract the builders. Distractions rarely look dangerous. They often look responsible. And if it feels like you’ve been in the same place a long time, you may not be stuck. You may be stewarding. In this episode: · The stirring: is there a calling you keep feeling and haven’t answered?  · Opposition doesn’t mean you’re out of God’s will. It may mean you’re right over the target.  · The size of a problem is proportional to the value of solving it  · Stationed by their families: why keeping your why in sight keeps you at your post  · You’re not stuck, you’re stewarding, and increase follows stewardship  · We don’t have a time problem, we have an attention problem  · Hard vs. strong: the advantage of staying the course when conditions turn  · Imposter syndrome: Joey has never taken a job he was qualified for  · Building and fighting at the same time, with a sword in one hand and a tool in the other  · “I am doing a great work and cannot come down”: treating distractions as traps  · HALT, knowing your season, and why tired seasons make us vulnerable  · The enemy wasn’t trying to destroy the wall. He was trying to distract the builders.  · Why your spouse needs to hear specifically what you see them doing well This week’s small step: Pick one area, your work or your family, and name your why for this season. Not the big lifetime answer, but what you’re building right now and who’s counting on it. Write it down and keep it close for the next seven days. Nehemiah was a contractor for 52 days. Seasons end. Stay on the wall until this one does. Be Brave. Live Big. · SUBSCRIBE & REVIEW  If this episode hit, do us a favor: subscribe wherever you listen, and leave us a 5-star review. It’s the single biggest thing you can do to help us reach more people with this show. FOLLOW THE HOSTS Joey Odom — @joeyodom.life; www.joeyodom.lifeChris Hart — @thechrishart · @thebravecoaches; www.bravecoaches.com REFERENCED IN THIS EPISODE Nehemiah 4:10-14, 4:17, 6:3, and 6:15. 2 Corinthians 12:9. Psalm 27:13. Psalm 139:14. Our Stewardship, Culture, and Wartime episodes. Indiana head coach Curt Cignetti. David Pollack on grinding out. The HALT check (hungry, angry, lonely, tired). Produced by Sonus Podcasts · sonuspodcasts.com

  2. Oct 27

    Culture: What You Create and What You Allow

    Every home, team, church, and company already has a culture. The only question is whether you built it on purpose or fell into it by default. Joey Odom and Chris Hart take a word most of us have heard too many times in business meetings and make the case that it’s actually the most important thing in your life you’re probably not paying attention to. Chris’s definition is simple: culture is how we do things here. It comes from the Latin root for cultivating soil, so a healthy culture is ground where people actually grow. And it’s made of two halves. What you create, which most of us are decent at, and what you allow, which is where nearly every culture breaks. Say you have a culture of excellence while tolerating people walking in eight minutes late, and you don’t have a culture of excellence. From there they get into carrying culture when you’re not the one in charge (the parking lot volunteer matters as much as the pastor), why encouragement is the one cultural trait worth building first, and a practical exercise Chris has walked hundreds of families and CEOs through: build your family code in five words. In this episode: · Culture is how we do things here, and why you can smell your own house only after vacation  · The parking lot guy at Heart and Soul who sold Joey’s family on a church before they walked in  · Culture comes from “cultivate”: building soil your people can grow in  · Bhutan’s happiness index, and what happens when leaders decide what to measure  · Culture is what you create and what you allow, and why the leak is always in the second half  · You can’t mandate what you don’t model: hypocrisy as the fastest culture killer  · Picking values that fit who you are, not table stakes or wishful thinking  · Chick-fil-A vs. KFC: same chicken, different culture, different fruit  · Culture carriers: why the waiter and the volunteer carry it as much as the owner  · Fruit and pace: two filters for knowing if you’re carrying it well  · Truett Cathy’s ten years of saying “my pleasure” before anyone followed  · Encouragement first: the team that high-fives most, and the $5 gift cards that changed an office  · “If you’re always looking for the best, you can only see good”: encouragement in marriage  · The family code: ten words, down to five, one sentence for each, then let your kids weigh in This week’s small step: Take 15 minutes, put your phone away, and start your family code. Write down ten words you’d want people to associate with your last name, cut them to five, and write one sentence for each. Then bring it to your spouse, and then to your kids. Along the way, ask yourself honestly: where is our culture strong right now, and where is it weak? Be Brave. Live Big. · SUBSCRIBE & REVIEW  If this episode hit, do us a favor: subscribe wherever you listen, and leave us a 5-star review. It’s the single biggest thing you can do to help us reach more people with this show. FOLLOW THE HOSTS Joey Odom — @joeyodom.life; www.joeyodom.lifeChris Hart — @thechrishart · @thebravecoaches; www.bravecoaches.com REFERENCED IN THIS EPISODE  Samuel Chand on culture over vision and strategy. “Culture eats strategy for breakfast” (commonly attributed to Peter Drucker). Larry Bossidy and Ram Charan, Execution. Patrick Lencioni on organizational values. Truett Cathy and Chick-fil-A’s “my pleasure.” Bhutan’s Gross National Happiness Index. UC Berkeley research on touch and team performance in the NBA. The All Blacks. Brave Coaching, where the family code exercise comes from. Produced by Sonus Podcasts · sonuspodcasts.com

  3. Oct 20

    Brave & Big x Dadville Collab Episode: Hobbies, Kids, and Assuming the Best

    This week, a totally new approach from two of our favorite guys: Dave and Jon from Dadville!  Joey and Chris joined Dave and Jon on the very first collab episode. Both Dadville and Brave & Big are launching the same episode on each of our shows.  It starts with a game. “Dadville or Slipknot” tests whether Dave and Jon can tell each other’s song lyrics apart from the heavy metal band’s. (The results are humbling.) Then the real question: when your kids are home, how much room should your hobbies take up? The answers are better than “never” and better than “whenever.” Jon admits his first instinct is that hobbies feel selfish, then pushes back on himself: what are your kids learning if they never see you love something just for the joy of it? Chris trades “balance” for “rhythm.” Dave names the honest test, asking whether today’s run is a hobby or an escape. And the conversation turns somewhere none of them planned, toward the fear a lot of parents carry that their kids won’t want them around once they’re grown, and why assuming the best changes how you spend the years you have now. In this episode: · The golf clip that went sideways, and what the Wartime episode actually said  · Dadville or Slipknot: the lyric game nobody wins  · Is it a hobby or an escape? Doing the honest work of knowing the difference  · Why hobbies aren’t selfish: letting your kids see you love something for the joy of it  · Rhythm over balance, and how Chris fits golf around coaching and Saturday games  · The 90 percent stat, and Harrison’s birthday card asking to make it 80  · Sharing a hobby with your kids, from disc golf to a Noah Kahan concert  · Codependence with your kids, and why it can quietly turn into resentment  · Assume the best: your kids are hardwired to want a relationship with you  · Rupture and repair: why apologizing to your kids builds the relationship  · Hopes vs. expectations in every relationship  · An abundance mindset with limited time, and why high-low-buffalo keeps kids talking  · Use your hobbies to get closer to your family, not to escape it This week’s small step: Two parts. Set a 20-minute timer this week and do exactly what your kid wants to do, whatever it is. And then choose to believe the future is good: your kids want a relationship with you, and you get to build it in small moments right now. Be Brave. Live Big. — SUBSCRIBE & REVIEW  If this episode hit, do us a favor: subscribe wherever you listen, and leave us a 5-star review. It's the single biggest thing you can do to help us reach more people with this show. FOLLOW THE HOSTS Joey Odom — @joeyodom.life; www.joeyodom.life Chris Hart — @thechrishart · @thebravecoaches; www.bravecoaches.com MORE FROM DADVILLE Dadville with Dave Barnes and Jon McLaughlin, wherever you listen Join the Dadville community: dadville.substack.com Dave Barnes: davebarnes.com (including his Christmas shows) Jon McLaughlin: jonmcl.com REFERENCED IN THIS EPISODE Our Wartime episodes. 1 Corinthians 13:7. Dr. Becky Kennedy on the most generous interpretation. Sissy Goff and David Thomas on rupture and repair. Andy Stanley on hopes vs. expectations. The widely cited idea that most of the in-person time you’ll spend with your kids happens before they turn 18. Produced by Sonus Podcasts · sonuspodcasts.com

  4. Oct 13

    Redeeming Your Goals: Jordan Raynor on Pursuing Your Goals With, Like, and For God

    The word “secular” literally means without God. So if God is with you everywhere through his Spirit, the only thing it takes to make a “secular” workplace sacred is walking through the front door. Jordan Raynor, bestselling author of Redeeming Your Time, joins Joey Odom and Chris Hart on the release day of his new book, Redeeming Your Goals, and opens with the idea that changed his life: your work isn’t kingdom work because of your business card. It’s kingdom work because you do it with, like, and for your King. Jordan tells the story of nearly leaving entrepreneurship to plant a church, until a mentor told him that sounded “pretty stupid” for him and sent him back to Genesis 1 and 2. What he found there became his life’s work. Long before any commission to make disciples, God handed humanity a commission to make culture. Then it gets hyper-practical. Jordan names the four counterfeit quests most of us are chasing (renown, recreation, retirement, and retreat) and the redemptive quest Jesus chose instead. He walks through his three kinds of goals and seven criteria for good ones, the five-minute weekly habit that nearly doubles your odds of hitting them, how to sort sustainable fuel from false fuel in your motives, kill criteria for the messy middle, and the template he uses to say no more often. And it closes with the first-ever Brave & Big rapid fire. In this episode: · Secular means without God, so the only thing it takes to make your workplace sacred is showing up  · The mentor who talked Jordan out of planting a church, and the homework that changed his life  · The first commission in Genesis: make culture, not just disciples  · Four counterfeit quests: renown, recreation, retirement, and retreat  · Redemptive quests: any goal pursued with God, like God, and for God  · God’s will is your sanctification, and the backyard fence that frees you to choose your goals  · Three kinds of goals, and seven criteria that make a good one (including “uncomfortably large”)  · The study that nearly doubled goal achievement: report progress to a friend every week  · Planned prayer and prompted prayer  · Sustainable fuel vs. false fuel: interrogate your why, then share it with people who know you  · “Every goal is a financial goal”: why the heart behind the money is what matters  · You may retire from paid work, but never from the work of the Lord  · The messy middle: quit, pivot, or persevere, and how kill criteria keep you honest  · Achieve more by doing less, and the template that makes saying no fast and generous  · The first Brave & Big rapid fire, and Jordan’s closing word on holy ground This week’s small step: Put a weekly reminder on your calendar to text a friend your progress on your goals. That’s it. Less than five minutes a week, and it can nearly double your chances of hitting them. Be Brave. Live Big. — SUBSCRIBE & REVIEW If this episode hit, do us a favor: subscribe wherever you listen, and leave us a 5-star review. It's the single biggest thing you can do to help us reach more people with this show. FOLLOW THE HOSTS Joey Odom — @joeyodom.life; www.joeyodom.lifeChris Hart — @thechrishart · @thebravecoaches; www.bravecoaches.com MORE FROM JORDAN RAYNOR Book: Redeeming Your Goals, out now Free Redeeming Your Goals course and the “no” template (included with the book): jordanraynor.com/ryg Speaking, books, and more: jordanraynor.com REFERENCED IN THIS EPISODE Genesis 1:26-28. Psalm 37:23. 1 Corinthians 10:31. 1 Thessalonians 4:3. 1 Corinthians 15:58. Isaiah 65:22. Matthew 10:14. Exodus 3:5. Wayne Grudem on the cultural mandate. Hudson Taylor and the term “Great Commission.” Dr. Gail Matthews’s research on goal achievement at Dominican University. Peter Greer and Lead with Prayer. Dr. Curt Thompson on shame and community. Seth Godin on strategic quitting. Jordan Raynor, Redeeming Your Time. Produced by Sonus Podcasts · sonuspodcasts.com

  5. Oct 6

    Decision Points: How to Make the Big Ones With Confidence

    Where to go to college. Who to marry. Whether to take the job, move the family, or walk away from a career you spent 15 years building. Joey Odom and Chris Hart call these the decision points of your life, and most of us approach them terrified of getting it wrong. They start by dismantling that fear. The right-and-wrong decision is mostly a myth: almost everything is temporary, and you'll never get to see the path you didn't take, so second-guessing it is a losing game. Then a harder one. A lot of us walk around convinced we're living outside God's will, or settling for his second best, because of some past choice. Joey's answer: stop putting your faith in your mistakes. God's will is that you become more like Jesus, and he is a redeeming God who makes everything beautiful. Then it gets practical, in two halves. First, four principles from former poker champion Annie Duke's Thinking in Bets: think in probabilities, separate the quality of your decision from the quality of the outcome, run a pre-mortem, and test it at ten minutes, ten months, and ten years. Then the spiritual side, in order: walk through open doors, inquire of the Lord, align with your spouse, seek counsel, take your time, be willing to walk away, follow your peace, and own the decision. In this episode: · Why most decision points feel bigger than they are, and how to separate the life-altering ones from the guardrail ones · The right-and-wrong myth: you'll never see the path you didn't take, so stop painting pictures of Egypt · God's will is sanctification, and why you're not stuck living his second best · Stop putting your faith in your mistakes: God restores as if it never happened · Life is more like poker than chess: every decision is a bet on an uncertain future · Separate decision quality from outcome quality, and why judging decisions by results is the biggest error we make · The pre-mortem: imagine it failed, then work backward · Ten minutes, ten months, ten years, and Joey's startup that made sense only at year ten · Walk through open doors until you hit a closed one: either a new opportunity or a stronger yes to where you are · "They failed to inquire of the Lord": the most haunting line in the Old Testament · Opportunities are never scarce for someone stewarding what's in their hand, so take your time · Follow your peace: "The day you decide she's the one, she's the one" · Make the decision, then own it, and let God make it right This week's small step: Two things. Get in the Word every day for the next seven days, because that's what fills you with wisdom before the decision point shows up, whether that's next week or next year. And make one confident decision this week. Maybe it's the order at a restaurant. Maybe it's the thing you've been going back and forth on for months. Run it through what you heard today, make it with the information you have, and move forward without looking back. Be Brave. Live Big. — SUBSCRIBE & REVIEW  If this episode hit, do us a favor: subscribe wherever you listen, and leave us a 5-star review. It's the single biggest thing you can do to help us reach more people with this show. FOLLOW THE HOSTS Joey Odom — @joeyodom.life; www.joeyodom.lifeChris Hart — @thechrishart · @thebravecoaches; www.bravecoaches.com REFERENCED IN THIS EPISODE Annie Duke, Thinking in Bets: Making Smarter Decisions When You Don't Have All the Facts. Suzy Welch's 10-10-10 rule. 1 Thessalonians 4:3 (God's will is your sanctification). Psalm 139:17. Ecclesiastes 3:11. 1 Chronicles 10:13-14 and Joshua 9:14 (failing to inquire of the Lord). Job 42:3. Sara Groves, "Painting Pictures of Egypt." Our Guardrails and Stewardship episodes. And watch for our conversation with Jordan Raynor later this month. Produced by Sonus Podcasts · sonuspodcasts.com

  6. Sep 29

    I Am Here: Addison Bevere on Rediscovering Prayer

    Virtually everyone thinks they're bad at prayer. Addison Bevere did too. He grew up watching his dad, John Bevere, walk outside for two hours of prayer every morning, then tried it himself and ran out of words in two minutes. That gap turned into shame, and the shame followed him into adulthood, through a year-long prayer internship, and into five years of insomnia that nothing could fix. God healed him, and with that healing came an invitation: rediscover prayer. Joey Odom and Chris Hart sit down with Addison, president of Messenger International and author of Words with God, for a conversation that goes deep and still lands practical. He starts with what it's really like growing up Bevere: humility creates safety, and faithfulness isn't sexy, but it sure is stunning. Then he names the root of our prayer anxiety in Genesis 3. We still approach prayer through the knowledge of what's useful and useless, grasping for answers instead of walking with God. The turn that reframes everything: prayer is less about getting God's attention and more about how our attention gets healed. And the most radical thing you can do for your attention is protect the first moment of your day. No phone for the first hour. Lie still. Breathe. Three words: I am here. In this episode: · Growing up Bevere: humility creates safety, and four decades of faithfulness tell a bigger story than any platform  · Dads, be a signpost, not the figure: why your humility points your kids to their Heavenly Father  · The two-minute prayer, the two-hour prayer, and the shame that grew in between  · Five years of insomnia and God's way of delivering us to himself, not just from a thing  · Genesis 3 and prayer: why we grasp for the useful when God invites us to walk with him  · His daughter's midnight confession, and learning that the lesson was how to stop  · Prayer is less about getting God's attention and more about how our attention is healed  · Attention is a moral act: Psalm 5:3 and your morning sacrifice  · Why your first movement of the day sets what you notice for the rest of it  · Ask, seek, knock, and the discovery that Jesus is already at the door  · You're not the hero or the villain of your prayers. You're a participant.  · The launchpad: lie still, breathe, pray "I am here," then Scripture, then bring your worries to God This week's small step: For the next seven days, don't grab your phone when you wake up. Stay still in bed for a moment, take a few deep breaths, and pray three words: I am here. You're here, in this place and this moment, and the great I Am is here with you. Then give God the first hour before you give it to anyone else. And if you've got kids, give them the same small step. Call that quiet moment holy, not lazy. Be Brave. Live Big. — SUBSCRIBE & REVIEW  If this episode hit, do us a favor: subscribe wherever you listen, and leave us a 5-star review. It's the single biggest thing you can do to help us reach more people with this show. FOLLOW THE HOSTS Joey Odom — @joeyodom.life; www.joeyodom.lifeChris Hart — @thechrishart · @thebravecoaches; www.bravecoaches.com MORE FROM ADDISON BEVERE Book: Words with God Prayer guides and more: addisonbevere.com Messenger International and the MessengerX app: messengerinternational.org REFERENCED IN THIS EPISODE Genesis 3 and Genesis 16:13 (the God who sees me). Psalm 5:3 (in the morning I lay my requests before you). Psalm 119:92. Matthew 6 and Luke 11 (the Lord's Prayer). Matthew 7:7 (ask, seek, knock). John 7:38 and John 15. Revelation 3:20. Iain McGilchrist on attention as a moral act. The desert father tradition that the perfect prayer is not knowing you're praying (commonly attributed to Anthony the Great). Our Daily Rhythms episode and the PRAY acronym. Produced by Sonus Podcasts · sonuspodcasts.com

  7. Sep 22

    Q&A: Family Meetings, In-Laws, and How to Actually Keep Your Friends

    Every Brave coaching call starts with the same question: what's on fire? So for the first time, Joey Odom and Chris Hart opened the DMs, pulled the questions you sent, and answered them the way they would on a call, unprepared and in the moment. And mid-episode, the surprise: Luke Collins, the friend you've heard referenced a dozen times, is sitting in the studio. Two days' notice, one text, a flight confirmation, and he was on the plane. The questions hit where people actually live. How do you run a family meeting? (Both families do Sunday. One celebrates and casts vision, the other gets ruthlessly logistical, and both agree that alignment on the calendar kills more strife than almost anything.) How do you grow without your spouse feeling judged or left behind? How do you make and keep friends as an adult? How do you build a life that's yours without letting everyone down? How do you handle in-laws, a spouse in a different place spiritually, and a schedule that leaves no room for your community? Three threads run through every answer. Live it before you lead it. Give yourself permission to set boundaries. And stop trying to resolve the tension, because the tension is where the juice is. In this episode: — Family meetings, two ways: high-low-buffalo and a two-minute message in the Hart house, calendar and give-save-spend in the Odom house  — Learn, live, lead: why we skip "live," and why you shouldn't tell anyone to put their phone away until you've nailed it for months  — Let your fruit speak: the 50-year-old client whose wife started asking to be woken up for the morning walk  — Luke on friendship: loyalty as a family value, pursuing the friends who make you better, and pulling out your phone the moment someone says "we should grab coffee"  — Your three and your twelve, and why the biggest pandemic wasn't COVID  — Never get offended, always be a great responder: "your response is equity"  — The hallmark of a great friendship is how short the calls can be  — You're not letting anyone down: the two kinds of people who'll question your process, and why the only real letdown is not answering your calling  — In-laws: a united front with your spouse, permission to set boundaries, and not carrying weight that isn't yours  — When you and your spouse are in different places: fight for spiritual alignment now, and let the personal preferences differ  — Living in the tension: scheduling your community like a business meeting and building a team so you can be in more than one place This week's small step: Set one healthy boundary in one area of your life. Extended family, your schedule, your community involvement, wherever things have gotten unclear. Name it, live by it for seven days, and watch what it frees up. (Bob Goff used to quit one thing every week. Start with one.) SEND US YOUR QUESTIONS  This format is coming back. DM Joey your question for the next Q&A: instagram.com/joeyodom.life Be Brave. Live Big. — SUBSCRIBE & REVIEW  If this episode hit, do us a favor: subscribe wherever you listen, and leave us a 5-star review. It's the single biggest thing you can do to help us reach more people with this show. FOLLOW THE HOSTS Joey Odom — @joeyodom.life; www.joeyodom.lifeChris Hart — @thechrishart · @thebravecoaches; www.bravecoaches.com REFERENCED IN THIS EPISODE Matthew 7:16 (you will know them by their fruit). Genesis 2:24 (leave and cleave). Psalm 37:23 (the Lord directs and establishes your steps). 1 Corinthians 15:58 (steadfast, immovable). Bob Goff, Love Does. Our Wartime episodes (communication as a combat multiplier) and our Purpose episode on isolation, insecurity, and inconsistency, which Luke cites from memory. Produced by Sonus Podcasts · sonuspodcasts.com

  8. Sep 15

    From the NFL to Parenting in Crisis: NFL Vet Dustin Hopkins & Gabby Hopkins

    Dustin Hopkins kicked in the NFL for more than a decade, from Buffalo to Washington to the Chargers to Cleveland, after an All-American career at Florida State where he scored 466 points. His wife Gabby is a photographer and dancer who has moved 21 times in 14 years of marriage. And their oldest son, Wake, is nine years old, on the autism spectrum, and nonverbal. This is the most personal conversation Brave & Big has recorded, and we welcome Gabby as our first female guest! It starts with football, and it's good football: playing for Bobby Bowden in his final season, what "the best hands come from the best eyes" taught Dustin about focus, and how he managed pressure with two things, an overarching trust that God works everything for good and a simple process in the moment. His job, he says, is simple enough to explain to a two-year-old. That doesn't mean it's easy. Then a ninth-grade hamstring tear that ended his running and started his kicking, because the devil always overplays his hand. Then Gabby joins, and the conversation goes somewhere else. Losing her identity as "just Dustin's wife" and how she found her way back. Sensing something was off with Wake at a year old, getting brushed off by a pediatrician, and refusing to leave the office without a referral. The two-year waitlist, the one time they played the football card, and the realization that families without their connections face this alone, which is why the Well Foundation exists. And the insight Dustin shared with Joey and Chris on a pickleball court months ago: the same way he longs to hear Wake's voice, God longs to hear ours. It doesn't have to be dressed up. He just wants to hear you. In this episode: — Playing for Bobby Bowden in his last year: "get your juice," and why the best hands come from the best eyes  — Bowden vs. Jimbo Fisher, and the coach who took a family photo on an empty field after the Orange Bowl  — Managing pressure as a kicker: Romans 8:28 as the foundation, a prayer before every kick, and process cues in the moment  — Simple doesn't mean easy, and what a pre-kick routine teaches the rest of us about walking into a meeting  — The hamstring tear that turned a safety into a kicker, and why God uses the setback  — Sports-parent advice from an NFL dad: let your kids lead you in what they love, and care more about character than the scoreboard  — Gabby on identity: "I'm Gabrielle, daughter of a King," and the season she lost herself anyway  — The diagnosis: pink flags, mama bear, a two-year waitlist, and why the Well Foundation was born  — Loving Wake without words: reading his cues, the three-inch stare, and the day Wiley said "ketchup's my favorite"  — He just wants to hear your voice: the prayer insight that started this whole friendship  — Tears in a bottle: why God doesn't store things he doesn't plan to use  — Gabby's charge: put all your trust in Jesus. It's the boldest thing you can do. This week's small step: Do what Dustin and Gabby asked. Give to the Well Foundation at thewellfdn.com, even ten dollars, so Wake's voice reaches families who are where the Hopkinses were. If you can't give, pray for them and for every family navigating special needs. And the next time you see a kid who's different at the coffee shop, don't tell your kids not to stare. Walk over and say hello. Be Brave. Live Big. — SUBSCRIBE & REVIEW If this episode hit, do us a favor: subscribe wherever you listen, and leave us a 5-star review. It's the single biggest thing you can do to help us reach more people with this show. FOLLOW THE HOSTS Joey Odom — @joeyodom.life; www.joeyodom.lifeChris Hart — @thechrishart · @thebravecoaches; www.bravecoaches.com FOLLOW THE GUESTS Dustin Hopkins: instagram.com/dustinhopkins3 Gabby Hopkins: instagram.com/gabriellehopkins The Well Foundation: thewellfdn.com · instagram.com/thewellfdn REFERENCED IN THIS EPISODE Romans 8:28. Psalm 56:8 (you have kept count of my tossings, put my tears in your bottle). Psalm 139:4 (before a word is on my tongue). Coaches Bobby Bowden and Jimbo Fisher at Florida State. Kohl's Kicking camps. The Kennedy Krieger Institute at Johns Hopkins. Our Daily Rhythms episode, where Joey first shared Dustin's insight on prayer. Produced by Sonus Podcasts · sonuspodcasts.com

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What if you could live a Brave and Big life? One where you have great friends, a thriving marriage, a plan to accomplish your goals; a life where you’re fit, spiritually healthy, and constantly becoming everything God created you to be.Welcome to Brave & Big. We are Chris Hart, founder and CEO of Brave Coaches, and Joey Odom, public speaker, author, and former tech co-founder, and we have been friends for over 25 years. Throughout our friendship, we have had thousands of conversations, have gotten better from each one, and want you to be part of those conversations. We’ll talk about what it means to be Brave and live Big - things like grit, living with no excuses, following Jesus, being a great parent, spouse, and friend. Sometimes it will just be the two of us and sometimes it will be high performing athletes, business leaders, and performers. At the end of each episode, you will walk away with a small step that you can immediately implement to take ground in your life.We’re glad you’re here. Let’s be Brave & live Big.

Information

  • Creator
    Joey Odom
  • Years Active
    2026
  • Episodes
    28
  • Rating
    Clean
  • Copyright
    © 2026 Brave & Big
  • Show Website
    Brave & Big

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