The School of Imperfection Podcast

Mikie Krisztal

Welcome to The School of Imperfection. I'm your host, Mikie Krisztal. This podcast is a place where we talk to people about how to get by in this complicated world. Everything is changing all the time. Sometimes it can feel like there's no right moves, if you're anything like me. Yet for some, it seems effortless. On this podcast, we'll explore people's realities and hopefully walk away with something learned or a fresh perspective. Worst case, maybe it'll be a little fun. We talk to people who've succeeded, messed up, learned, and created cool things as result. People who were innovators in their industries. Artists, craftsmen, high-powered corporate CEOs, and regular working people doing their best to make the world a better place. Or at least find and share some truth in it. We all have experiences to bring to the table. What is The School of Imperfection, you might be asking? Well, it's a 20-year journey of me trying to do creative stuff, failing, selling out, building brands. Having existential crises and eventually realizing that perfectionism was the real villain that I didn't defeat along the way. And at some point I said screw it and I picked up a paintbrush and I started making imperfect art which is an art form that I've been evolving that just allows the freedom of layers and incorporating mistakes to create a kind of messy but beautiful, hopefully, piece of art. It turns out that people kinda liked it, and I liked not pretending to be perfect. So I started hosting in-person meetups to talk about perfectionism and unpack that through fun little imperfect painting experiences, as well as other collaborative imperfect experiences. But above all else, the School of Imperfection is an invitation to try something new, to find the courage to put yourself out there, even if you don't feel ready. If you'd like to learn more about the school, collaborate on in-person experience, or get involved in some other way, reach out through theschoolofimperfection.com. Our goal is to create a safe space to be weird, imperfect, and human in a place where there doesn't seem to be a lot of public spaces left to do that. Here we're figuring out how we learn, listen, laugh, and create as we all navigate and analyze the human experience together. So if this sounds like something you might be into, then you are definitely in the right place. I invite you to join me in these explorations, conversations with creators, thinkers, and everyday people who are daring to imagine new ways of living, learning, and being. This is The School of Imperfection Podcast, available for free wherever you get your podcasts.

Episodes

  1. Aug 25

    Gabriel Currie: Rock's Hidden Alchemist

    Gabriel Currie has built guitars for Joe Perry, Brad Whitford, Josh Homme, Troy Van Leeuwen, Jackson Browne, and Marcus King, but this conversation goes way deeper than music. Growing up in East LA's Highland Park amid gang violence, punk rock chaos, and an education system that failed him, Gabriel found refuge in guitars as a teenager apprenticing at G&L under Leo Fender himself. Then came drugs, prison, and a decade of losing everything before clawing his way back, building a guitar in his backyard with a stash of old wood and a wife's leap of faith. Today, Echopark Guitars hunts century-old "sinker logs" pulled from Michigan's riverbeds, wood submerged since 1800s logging days, to build instruments with a sound no factory can replicate. Gabriel opens up about: Surviving a violent childhood, his disabilities, and the punk scene that became his tribeA decade lost to drugs and prison, and what pulled him backHow he met Joe Perry, Brad Whitford, and Aerosmith through a single lucky connectionWhy old wood carries energy, memory, and "DNA" that new wood can't fakeHis mission to bring free instruments and mentorship to Detroit students This is a raw, unfiltered conversation about craft, redemption, and turning a broken life into something that sings. Chapter list for this episode: 0:00 - Intro & meeting Gabriel Currie 2:31 - Growing up in East LA: Chaos, culture, and cerebral palsy 8:01 - Finding punk rock and picking up a guitar 13:54 - Apprenticing under Leo Fender & the road to Echopark Guitars 22:46 - The fall: A decade lost to heroin and prison 23:56 - Getting clean and building his first guitar again 32:14 - Chasing the sound of old wood 41:30 - Inside the process: Michigan, sinker logs & the 5-year dry cycle 51:13 - What's next: Detroit guitar program & giving back 56:56 - Closing thoughts Links: Echopark Guitars Website Watch the ECHO FROM THE TREES documentary short film The School of Imperfection Website

    Gabriel Currie: Rock's Hidden Alchemist
  2. Aug 4

    The Art of Building a Business That Lasts with Felena Hanson

    Episode SummaryWhat does it really take to build a business that lasts? In this episode, Mikie Krisztal sits down with Felena Hanson, founder of Hera Hub, to explore the unglamorous reality behind entrepreneurship. From being laid off three times before age 30 to creating a coworking and business-support network that has served more than 14,000 entrepreneurs, Felena shares how loneliness while working from home inspired Hera Hub, why meaningful in-person community cannot be replaced by social media followers, and the moment she realized she had built something capable of thriving without her at the center. Felena also gets candid about the difference between launching an exciting idea and sustaining it for 15 years. She discusses learning to embrace operations, systems, financial details, and the constant reinvention required to survive challenges like COVID-19. The conversation also explores Hera Hub’s female-focused, gender-inclusive mission, its public benefit corporation model, the importance of accessible small-business resources, and how Felena eventually realized that creativity is not limited to traditional art. It can also mean designing a space where people immediately feel drawn to. Key TakeawaysStarting a business and sustaining one require different skills. Branding, ideas, and possibility may make launching exciting, but longevity depends on systems, operations, finance, legal work, adaptability, and consistently solving new problems.Entrepreneurs should not build in isolation. Felena credits community with helping grow her original marketing business and encourages founders to intentionally seek peers, mentors, and people who understand what they are building.A scalable organization must become bigger than its founder. Felena knew from the beginning that she did not want Hera Hub to depend entirely on her. Licensing the business model and watching new locations operate without her became major signs that the systems were working.Customer loyalty is built before a crisis arrives. During COVID-19, some Hera Hub members continued paying for as long as two years without entering the physical spaces because they wanted the community to survive. Hera Hub retained approximately 80% of its membership through that period.Purpose and profitability do not have to be opposites. Hera Hub operates as a public benefit corporation, allowing it to run as a for-profit company while formally tracking how it supports entrepreneurs, accelerator participants, nonprofit organizations, and the broader community.Creativity is broader than technical artistic ability. Felena once believed she was not an artist because she could not paint or perform like the artists around her. She eventually recognized that building businesses, designing environments, and creating a sense of belonging are also artistic acts. Guest BioFelena Hanson is the founder of Hera Hub, a female-focused, gender-inclusive coworking and business-accelerator community that began in San Diego and has expanded to five locations across the United States. Over the past 15 years, Hera Hub has supported approximately 14,000 entrepreneurs in launching or growing their businesses through workspace, mentorship, education, accelerator programs, and community. Chapter Timestamps00:00 – Introduction: Building something that lasts 01:00 – How loneliness inspired the creation of Hera Hub 03:00 – Researching coworking and opening the first location 04:00 – The reality behind the romantic entrepreneurship story 05:00 – Three layoffs and “forced entrepreneurship” 06:00 – Why entrepreneurs should never build alone 07:00 – Social-media followers versus real human connection 08:00 – The difference between starting and sustaining 09:00 – Operations, financial details, and hiring the right people 11:00 – Building a company bigger than its founder 12:00 – Realizing the Hera Hub model was working 13:00 – Expansion, public relations, word of mouth, and workspace design 14:00 – Mentorship, workshops, and business-accelerator programs 15:00 – Why Hera Hub became a public benefit corporation 18:00 – Creating a female-focused, gender-inclusive community 20:00 – Learning from businesses that do not survive 21:00 – Adapting Hera Hub during COVID-19 23:00 – Member loyalty and the future of Hera Hub 24:00 – Felena’s advice for aspiring entrepreneurs 25:00 – Using local, publicly supported small-business resources 26:00 – Redefining what it means to be an artist 28:00 – The value of conceptual art and creative expression 29:00 – AI and human creativity 29:40 – Closing remarks Websiteswww.theschoolofimperfection.comhttps://herahub.com/

  3. Jul 15

    The Best Creators Are Imperfect: What Hollywood Taught Dan Newmark About Success

    In this episode, Mikie sits down with Dan Newmark, a seasoned television writer and executive producer for multiple series across network, cable, and streaming platforms, to explore the realities of success, failure, and authenticity in the entertainment industry. They delve into themes of imposter syndrome, perfectionism, and the courage to take risks, all underpinned by Dan's journey and insights. Main Topics Discussed: Dan Newmark’s career journey from scriptwriting to producing hit showsThe misperception of perfection and how failure is inherent in successOvercoming imposter syndrome and professional perfectionismThe importance of authentic self-expression on social media and in lifeThe impact and future concerns of AI technologyStrategies for handling fear, criticism, and the pressure to be perfect Timestamps: 00:00 - Welcome to School of Imperfection 01:12 - Meet Dan Newmark: Television Writer & Producer 01:40 - Dan's Origin Story: College Scripts to Hollywood 03:01 - The Wilton: Competing with Gossip Girl 04:07 - Building Grandma's House Entertainment 05:00 - True Crime Success: The Real Murders on Elm Street 05:21 - Foul Play with Anthony Davis: Athletes Pranking Athletes 06:54 - The Art of Getting Celebrity Sign-Offs 07:43 - The Perfectionism Trap 09:18 - Imposter Syndrome: Fear of Being Found Out 10:06 - The Professional Unlock: Everyone's Failing 11:42 - Healthy Comparison: Level Setting 14:55 - Fear vs Intuition: Learning the Difference 16:04 - Hiding Behind Brands as Shields 20:41 - The Emotional Sphincter Moment 21:55 - Authenticity in the Age of Social Media Marketing 22:44 - Flaws Make Work Interesting 23:40 - The Power of Authentic Struggle 24:37 - Thoughts on AI 27:29 - Closing Thoughts and Zoo Invitations Resources & Links: Grandma’s House EntertainmentFoul Play with Anthony Davis Connect with Dan Newmark: LinkedIn Note: This episode aims to normalize feelings of imperfection and impermanence in pursuit of creative and personal fulfillment. Whether you're navigating industry pressures or self-doubt, Dan’s insights on resilience and authenticity are universally valuable.

  4. Jun 18

    Leaving Google to Become an Artist: Sara Wilczynska's Journey

    In this episode of The School of Imperfection Podcast, Mikie Krisztal chats with Sara Wilczynska of Swil Arts about her inspiring journey from a corporate software engineer at Google to a full-time artist. They explore the realities of chasing passion, the importance of nuance, and the small, meaningful moments in a creative life. Main Topics: Sara's transition from Google software engineer to artistThe messy reality of entrepreneurial and artistic pursuitsNavigating fear, doubt, and societal scripts when making big life changesEmbracing nuance and complexity in personal growthBuilding an accessible and sustainable creative business rooted in communityThe significance of small moments and presence over quick transformationsThe role of societal narratives and marketing in personal evolutionPractical steps for those considering leaving corporate life for artEnvironmental and social responsibility in art business practices Timestamps: 00:01 - Welcome to the School of Imperfection Podcast 00:30 - Sara’s story: from a corporate job at Google to Southeast Asia 01:25 - The spiritual and entrepreneurial journey of art making 02:15 - Art as a healing and growth process 02:42 - First steps in Sara's artist journey and organic growth 03:21 - The influence of childhood creativity and cultural background 03:57 - Transition from tech to art, feeling misaligned at Google 04:26 - Exploring side projects like yoga and sound healing 05:22 - The decision to take a travel sabbatical and create space 07:06 - Artistic experimentation with watercolors in Thailand 07:57 - Sharing art and receiving feedback from friends and clients 08:24 - Growing Swil Arts and diversifying product offerings 09:20 - Collaborations with brands and community-centered projects 10:15 - Current focus: regional inspired artwork and sustainable products 11:09 - Connecting with the San Diego artist community 12:15 - Discovering the San Diego Artist Incubator program through social media 13:12 - The story behind the name Swil Arts 13:34 - Financial aspirations and financial sustainability 14:33 - The leap of faith and living in expensive San Diego 15:23 - The messy reality and non-linear path of entrepreneurship 16:01 - Avoiding quick fixes and embracing small wins 17:00 - The importance of nuance in growth and healing 18:11 - Gratitude for current work despite stress and challenges 19:02 - Shifting perspective on healing modalities and quick success 20:05 - Focusing on small, present moments rather than grand transformations 21:29 - Nuance and complexity in social and personal issues 22:12 - Lessons learned: gradual transition versus abrupt change 23:35 - Creating spaciousness and questioning societal scripts 25:02 - The importance of listening to inner truth versus societal expectations 26:23 - Differentiating fear from protective mechanisms 27:34 - Embracing introversion and authenticity 28:26 - Parts work and inner conflict exploration 29:52 - Holding paradoxes and embracing multiple truths 30:00 - The need for nuance in societal discourse 31:40 - The role of personal agency and living by example 33:02 - How neuroscience supports the idea of reality creation 34:36 - Sara’s vision for approachable art and collaborations 36:06 - Upcoming projects: San Diego inspired coloring book 37:07 - The artistic process: ink first or watercolor first 39:07 - Inspiration from local landmarks and community themes 41:07 - Eco-conscious practices and giving back through art 43:19 - Connecting with Sara: website and social channels 44:24 - San Diego local venues to find Sarah’s work 45:00 - Closing thoughts Resources & Links: Swil Arts WebsiteSan Diego Artist Incubator Program Connect with Sara: InstagramFacebookTikTokPinterestBuy Me a CoffeeLinkedIn Thank you for tuning in to explore the complex path of creative entrepreneurship with us. Remember, small moments of presence and authenticity are often the best guides on your journey.

  5. Jun 9

    Progress, Not Perfection: Kristi Tanner's Journey from Addiction to Empowerment

    In this episode, Kristi Tanner, a recovering alcoholic and founder of Sober Social, Wisconsin's first non-alcoholic bottle shop, shares her profoundly honest journey from addiction to empowerment. As a recovery advocate, speaker, Certified Recovery Coach, and community builder, Kristi has dedicated herself to bridging the gap between sobriety and society since becoming sober in 2019. Kristi and Mikie discuss how society's view on alcohol influences our relationships with drinking and explore innovative ways to connect socially without alcohol. Key Topics: Kristi's personal experience with addiction, recovery, and jail timeThe societal pressure around alcohol and drinking cultureHow sobriety can bring confidence, freedom, and genuine connectionThe rise of sober-curious movements and non-alcoholic beverage optionsBuilding community through honesty and shared experiencesPractical tips for exploring sobriety while maintaining an active social lifeThe importance of owning one's story and removing shameThe innovative concept of non-alcoholic bottle shops promoting inclusivityThe impact of industry marketing on alcohol consumption Timestamps: 00:00 - Introduction to Kristi Tanner and her story of recovery 02:18 - Sobriety as an ongoing journey, not a finish line 02:48 - The challenges of the early years of sobriety 03:37 - Using alcohol as a coping mechanism for emotional discomfort 04:56 - Society's glamorization of alcohol and its impact 06:36 - How to enjoy social life alcohol-free 07:12 - Connection as the real antidote to addiction 09:26 - Educating others and creating space for sober-curious individuals 11:53 - The societal embeddedness of alcohol in celebrations 13:16 - The influence of marketing and industry tactics 15:28 - The rise of non-alcoholic products and health warnings 17:02 - Personal reflections on high school drinking and cultural norms 19:18 - The significance of honesty and vulnerability in recovery journeys 24:02 - Opening the first non-alcoholic bottle shop in Wisconsin 26:16 - Making sobriety proud and accessible for everyone 30:32 - The power of community support and shared stories 32:22 - The importance of owning your story without shame 36:42 - Breaking free from destructive patterns and choices 41:30 - Living a full, confident life post-recovery 44:43 - Redefining societal perceptions of sobriety and drinking 50:54 - The impact of openly sharing struggles and wins 58:48 - Practical advice for sober-curious listeners 62:27 - Launching the first non-alcoholic bottle shop and community building 66:39 - Exploring functional beverages and mindful consumption 71:00 - Connecting over non-alcoholic options and the importance of inclusivity 73:09 - Wrap-up and invitation for future guests Resources & Links: Sober Curious by Ruby Warrington This Naked Mind by Annie Grace Quit Like a Woman by Holly Whitaker Connect with Kristi Tanner: Mocktail Mommy Instagram Sober Social Website

  6. Jun 3

    Eco-Friendly Guitars: The Sustainable Journey of Taylor Guitars with Scott Paul

    Explore how Taylor Guitars is pioneering sustainability in the instrument industry, balancing innovation, environmental responsibility, and craftsmanship. Scott Paul shares the company's journey, projects, and the importance of resource management in guitar making. In this episode: Scott Paul, Director of Natural Resource Sustainability at Taylor Guitars, discusses the company's commitment to forest conservation and sustainable wood sourcing.The story behind using "imperfect" wood and how that influences product design and environmental impact.The Ebony Project in Cameroon: planting 55,000 trees and aiding local ecosystems and communities.The role of global policies and international meetings in shaping sustainable forest trade practices.How Taylor Guitars breaks industry traditions by innovating with variegated Ebony and urban woods.The importance of consumer education on sustainable practices and transparency in sourcing.The history of Taylor Guitars, from its humble roots to becoming a leader in innovative, eco-conscious guitar manufacturing.Practical advice for guitar buyers: choosing instruments based on feel and story rather than brand marketing.The significance of efficiency in sustainability and how Taylor integrates environmental ethics into their business model. Timestamps: 00:00 - Scott Paul’s role at Taylor Guitars and focus on sustainability 02:23 - Scott’s journey into international forest work and early experiences in Central America 04:47 - Finding fulfillment through forest conservation and sustainability goals 07:07 - Humbling realization of nature’s power through volcano experiences 08:18 - Transition from Costa Rica to Washington D.C. and environmental policy work 11:54 - How Taylor Guitars communicates their sustainability efforts to customers 14:18 - The Ebony Project in Cameroon: planting, science, and community impact 16:16 - Urban wood sourcing and the importance of sustainable resource management 17:47 - The history of Taylor Guitars and their innovative approach to tradition 22:55 - How sustainable practices set Taylor apart from other brands 29:22 - The story of variegated Ebony and breaking industry norms 33:55 - Tips for choosing the right guitar based on feel, aesthetics, and sound 36:50 - Taylor Guitars’ manufacturing locations and future plans 37:17 - Invitation for collaborative educational initiatives and factory tours Resources & Links: Taylor Guitars Official Website The Ebony Project collaboration with UCLA Taylor Guitars Sustainability Initiatives Connect with Scott Paul: LinkedIn

  7. May 26

    Exploring Mindset, Microdosing, and Personal Transformation with Micah Walker

    In this episode, Mikie sits down with Micah Walker, a coach and microdosing mentor, to discuss her profound journey from growing up in a cult to embracing holistic wellness and consciousness expansion. They explore how psychedelics can facilitate deep mindset shifts, challenge societal norms around mental health, and the importance of following joy over certainty. Key Topics: Micah’s background growing up in a religious cult and her transformation journeyThe experiential insights gained from meditation and microdosingThe neuroplasticity benefits of psychedelics for changing core beliefsThe role of mindset work in overcoming fear and emotional patternsLegal landscape and societal perceptions of psychedelics in mental healthHow childhood programming influences adult perspectives and behaviorsPractical tools for building a better relationship with fear and anxietyThe significance of following joy versus societal expectationsMicah’s work with nurse coaches and entrepreneurs around holistic health and business strategyThe importance of intentional action for clarity and transformation Timestamps: 00:01 - Introduction to Micah Walker and her journey 00:54 - Micah's early life and coming out experience 01:54 - First psychedelic-like experience through meditation 03:19 - Insights from meditation and psychedelics 05:18 - Transition from nursing to coaching 07:13 - Leaving healthcare and starting a coaching company 08:27 - Following joy over certainty 10:41 - Psychedelic therapy and coaching 11:33 - Clarity through action 13:51 - Legalities and findings on psychedelics 15:23 - Propaganda and the reality of psychedelics 17:16 - Balancing pharmaceuticals and alternative methods 19:09 - Before and after perspectives on personal growth 21:34 - Understanding and befriending fear 24:08 - Developing a relationship with emotions 27:02 - Wisdom in understanding fear's relevance 29:34 - Pattern disruption and changing beliefs 32:17 - Micah's transformation and future vision Connect with Micah Walker: Instagram LinkedIn Note: This episode emphasizes responsible conversation about psychedelics. Participants are encouraged to explore legal pathways and work with professionals.

  8. May 20

    Understanding Parts Work and Self-Discovery with John-Paul Dombrowski

    Guest Name: John-Paul Dombrowski Summary: Join Mikie Krisztal in this insightful episode as he chats with John-Paul Dombrowski, a therapist, coach, and advocate of parts work and Internal Family Systems (IFS). Discover how understanding the different parts of yourself can lead to emotional clarity, healing, and personal growth. This episode explores practical tools and deep insights into inner system dynamics, making complex psychological concepts accessible and applicable. Key Topics: The power of parts work in mental health and healingHow IFS models internal conflicts as different parts with distinct rolesThe relationship between ego, spirituality, and psychological frameworksPractical exercises for connecting with inner parts and unburdening exilesNavigating the ego and avoiding the guru complex in personal growthStrategies for maintaining authenticity amidst social media successThe importance of curiosity, self-compassion, and witnessing in healingThe upcoming free mini-course, "Mindfulness for Big Emotions"How internal parts live in bodies, stuck in past burdens, and their guidanceThe balance between science and spirituality in therapeutic practices Chapters: 00:00 - Introduction to John-Paul Dombrowski and the benefits of parts work 02:11 - What is Internal Family Systems (IFS)? An overview 05:24 - John-Paul’s background and journey into therapy and social media success 08:35 - How to monetize personal growth online and stay authentic 12:02 - Explaining the internal dialogue of conflicting parts 15:11 - The role of the Self in IFS and Buddhist philosophy parallels 17:36 - Handling burdens and emotions of exiled parts through witnessing 22:05 - The gendered burdens of emotional repression and vulnerability 25:42 - The importance of being present and meeting parts where they are 30:49 - Managing internal inner critic and planning anxiety 34:12 - Reframing feelings from childhood and inner scars 37:36 - Witnessing young parts with empathy and compassion 40:39 - The systemic view: parts as a team and inner ecology 45:09 - John-Paul’s free mini-course "Mindfulness for Big Emotions" 46:36 - Upcoming group programs and community support 48:25 - Closing thoughts and how to connect with John-Paul Resources & Links: Mindfulness for Big Emotions - Free Mini Course No Bad Parts by Dick Schwartz Connect with John-Paul: Instagram: @johnpauldombrowski YouTube: @JohnPaulDombrowski Website: jpdombrowski.com Note: This episode is rich with practical exercises, psychological frameworks, and personal anecdotes to help you better understand and work with your inner system for mental clarity and emotional resilience.

  9. May 20

    Unlocking Creativity Through Design and Integrative Thinking With Former IDEO COO Jennifer Riel

    Guest Name: Jennifer Riel Summary: In this episode, Mikie Krisztal sits down with Jennifer Riel, a strategist, educator, and author of Creating Great Choices, to explore how integrative thinking and design thinking can be used to solve complex problems and foster collaborative decision-making. They discuss practical tools for unblocking tough choices, challenging mental models, and enhancing human-centered innovation. All essential for leaders and entrepreneurs aiming to make meaningful, impactful decisions. Keywords: Design Thinking, Integrative Thinking, Innovation, Decision-Making, Leadership, Creativity, Business Strategy, Problem-Solving, Human-Centered Design Key Topics: The definition and importance of integrative thinking and how it complements design thinkingStrategies for unstick sticky beliefs and challenge assumptions in teamsThe role of curiosity, humility, and reciprocity in productive conversations and conflict resolutionHow to foster collaborative decision-making in organizational settingsThe significance of in-person research and deep listening for innovationBalancing profit and purpose for sustainable, purpose-driven business Chapters: (00:03) - Introduction to Jennifer Riel and the concept of integrative thinking(01:08) - What is design thinking? A comprehensive overview(02:25) - Jennifer’s career journey from copywriting to IDEO and academia(06:04) - The relationship and differences between design thinking and integrative thinking(07:01) - How integrative thinking helps navigate tough choices and opposing ideas(08:23) - Overcoming sticky beliefs and fostering open-mindedness in teams(09:36) - The importance of unpacking one’s mental models and assumptions(11:03) - Managing political tensions and honoring diverse perspectives through curiosity(13:34) - Practical tips for engaging with disagreement and conflict at work(17:11) - Embracing uncertainty and learning to move confidently without certainty(19:22) - The significance of open-mindedness and humility in problem-solving(26:43) - The Lego movie and the power of storytelling in brand and product innovation(30:34) - The Lego brand’s balance between creativity and protection of core values(34:34) - Combining in-person insights with technological tools for effective customer understanding(37:27) - How entrepreneurs can evaluate whether a problem is worth solving(38:55) - Integrating purpose and profit for long-term organizational health Resources: Roger Martin and Integrative Thinking Creating Great Choices: A Leader's Guide to Integrative Thinking (Book) Connecting With Jennifer: LinkedIn X

Ratings & Reviews

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About

Welcome to The School of Imperfection. I'm your host, Mikie Krisztal. This podcast is a place where we talk to people about how to get by in this complicated world. Everything is changing all the time. Sometimes it can feel like there's no right moves, if you're anything like me. Yet for some, it seems effortless. On this podcast, we'll explore people's realities and hopefully walk away with something learned or a fresh perspective. Worst case, maybe it'll be a little fun. We talk to people who've succeeded, messed up, learned, and created cool things as result. People who were innovators in their industries. Artists, craftsmen, high-powered corporate CEOs, and regular working people doing their best to make the world a better place. Or at least find and share some truth in it. We all have experiences to bring to the table. What is The School of Imperfection, you might be asking? Well, it's a 20-year journey of me trying to do creative stuff, failing, selling out, building brands. Having existential crises and eventually realizing that perfectionism was the real villain that I didn't defeat along the way. And at some point I said screw it and I picked up a paintbrush and I started making imperfect art which is an art form that I've been evolving that just allows the freedom of layers and incorporating mistakes to create a kind of messy but beautiful, hopefully, piece of art. It turns out that people kinda liked it, and I liked not pretending to be perfect. So I started hosting in-person meetups to talk about perfectionism and unpack that through fun little imperfect painting experiences, as well as other collaborative imperfect experiences. But above all else, the School of Imperfection is an invitation to try something new, to find the courage to put yourself out there, even if you don't feel ready. If you'd like to learn more about the school, collaborate on in-person experience, or get involved in some other way, reach out through theschoolofimperfection.com. Our goal is to create a safe space to be weird, imperfect, and human in a place where there doesn't seem to be a lot of public spaces left to do that. Here we're figuring out how we learn, listen, laugh, and create as we all navigate and analyze the human experience together. So if this sounds like something you might be into, then you are definitely in the right place. I invite you to join me in these explorations, conversations with creators, thinkers, and everyday people who are daring to imagine new ways of living, learning, and being. This is The School of Imperfection Podcast, available for free wherever you get your podcasts.