Liam wanted to make the case that watches are an overrated investment. John — who sells high-end watches for a living and has known Dibbs about fifteen years — corrected him in the first ninety seconds. They're not an overrated investment. They're not an investment. That's the whole episode, and it goes further than watches. Manufactured scarcity, waitlists, buying the accessories to earn the right to buy the thing, and why a $10 Casio keeps better time than a $50,000 Patek Philippe. Dibbs comes at it from the other direction — he wears an Apple Watch, owns four of them, and gets told by older guys in real estate that not wearing a Rolex means you're broke. What we get into: Why a watch is a commodity and an accessory, not an assetThe Swatch Group tiers, and how the watch industry mirrors car brandsRolex sells the experience of buying a watch, not the watchThe Hermès Birkin play — buying ping pong paddles to earn a handbagThe $80 Invicta that got more compliments than anything John ownsNew vs. vintage: service intervals, warranties, and why used can cost moreMarc Newson, Jony Ive, and why the Apple Watch strap has real watchmaking lineageThe Hamilton Ventura — Elvis wore it in Blue Hawaii before Men in BlackOverrated or underrated: Rolex, Omega, AP, Cartier, Bulgari, Patek, Jacob & CoThe best everyday watch under $1,000Why John wouldn't finance a watch, even if he could pay cashThe best watch either of them owns cost almost nothing. One was John's father's Seiko from the 1980s. The other was Dibbs's grandfather's. Comment: what's the watch you'd never sell, and what did it cost? We're reading these next episode. First & Future Finance, Darryl "Dibbs" Howard | NMLS #2104127 | DynaGen Lending Liam Witherspoon | NMLS #2755465 Guest: John Educational and entertainment content only. Nothing here is financial, investment, or purchasing advice, and no statement about any brand's resale value is a prediction. Opinions about specific brands are the personal views of the speakers. Do your own research before buying or financing anything. #Watches #LuxuryWatches #Rolex #Seiko #GrandSeiko #AppleWatch #Horology #WatchCollecting #Investing #PersonalFinance #StatusSymbols #Hermes #LVMH #FirstAndFuture #OwnershipIsFreedom 0:00 Liam Brought Notes for the First Time 1:30 "It's Not an Overrated Investment. It's Not an Investment." 2:04 Watches Are Like Cars — You Drive It Off the Lot 2:43 "If You Don't Own a Watch, You Must Be Broke" 3:22 Dibbs's First Watch: The Moto 360 5:35 Why John Left the Apple Watch for a Screenless Tracker 6:59 Is There a Hierarchy of Watch Brands? 8:01 The Swatch Group Tiers, Explained 9:27 What Actually Makes a Watch "Nice" 9:49 The Two Best Watches in the Room Cost Almost Nothing 11:43 The $80 Invicta That Got the Most Compliments 12:56 Best Watch Under $10,000 to Signal Success 16:37 Manufactured Scarcity: The Rolex Play 17:52 Buying Ping Pong Paddles to Earn a Birkin 19:38 The Ikepod, Marc Newson, and Your Apple Watch Strap 22:36 New vs. Vintage: Service, Warranties, Real Costs 27:25 Overrated or Underrated: Ten Brands, Rapid Fire 32:52 Do Designer Brands Make Real Watches? 37:00 A $10 Casio Beats a $50,000 Patek at Telling Time 39:24 How Did a Tool Become an Investment? 41:09 How John Fell Down the Rabbit Hole (It Started With Pens) 42:23 Dibbs Found Real Estate on World Star Hip Hop 43:17 The Best Everyday Watch Under $1,000 45:00 The Watches John Wouldn't Buy 46:35 Never Finance a Watch