The Metalist

Gus

The Metalist is a show about all things metal — and how the stuff the world is built from gets made, moved, recycled, and priced. Host Gus Gardner breaks down manufacturing, recycling, and the light metals (aluminum, mostly — with steel and copper along for the ride) in plain language you don't need a metallurgy degree to follow. From scrap and tariffs to supply shocks and the people who turn yesterday's cans into tomorrow's cars, it's the industry nobody covers — finally getting its own show. New episodes regularly.

Episodes

  1. Jul 11

    The Physical Premium

    The price of aluminum you see quoted isn't the price almost anyone actually pays. The gap is called the physical premium — and in the U.S. in 2026 it's grown to more than 40% of the all-in cost of metal, a record. In this short, single-idea episode of The Metalist, host Gus Gardner breaks down what the premium is, what's inside it (freight, financing, regional supply and demand, and duties), and why a 50% Section 232 tariff has pushed the U.S. Midwest Premium to all-time highs and decoupled the American market from the rest of the world. By the end you'll know why the premium — not the headline price — is the truest read on whether metal is physically tight. FURTHER READING / SOURCES (public) ---------------------------------- - CME Group — Hedging regional aluminum premiums: https://www.cmegroup.com/articles/2025/aluminum-premiums-2025.html - S&P Global Platts — US Aluminum Transaction price explained: https://www.spglobal.com/energy/en/pricing-benchmarks/assessments/metals/us-aluminum-transaction-price-explained - White & Case — US modifies Section 232 aluminum/steel/copper tariffs (2026): https://www.whitecase.com/insight-alert/united-states-modifies-steel-aluminum-and-copper-section-232-tariffs - Fastmarkets — Aluminium P1020A premium, in-whs duty-paid Rotterdam: https://www.fastmarkets.com/commodity-prices/aluminium-p1020a-premium-in-whs-dp-rotterdam-dollar-tonne-mb-al-0004/ - LME — Aluminium premiums: https://www.lme.com/metals/non-ferrous/lme-aluminium-premiums

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The Metalist is a show about all things metal — and how the stuff the world is built from gets made, moved, recycled, and priced. Host Gus Gardner breaks down manufacturing, recycling, and the light metals (aluminum, mostly — with steel and copper along for the ride) in plain language you don't need a metallurgy degree to follow. From scrap and tariffs to supply shocks and the people who turn yesterday's cans into tomorrow's cars, it's the industry nobody covers — finally getting its own show. New episodes regularly.