Breaking Ceilings|Breaking Ground

Molly McCabe & Jill Ferrari

Every skyline has a story. Breaking Ceilings | Breaking Ground brings you the women behind them — developers, entrepreneurs, and innovators transforming commercial real estate across North America and shaping the next generation of great cities. Hosted by CRE veterans Molly McCabe and Jill Ferrari, each episode goes deep with industry trailblazers: the deals they've closed, the companies they've built, and how technology, community, and bold vision are changing what's possible. Whether you're already building or just getting started, this is the conversation you've been waiting for.

  1. Sep 28

    Ashley Terry, Pivot Project - Pieces of a City

    What if the best preparation for a career in development was never having a five-year plan at all? In this episode of Breaking Ceilings Breaking Ground, Molly McCabe and Jill Ferrari sit down with Ashley Terry, President of Development at Pivot Project in Oklahoma City. Ashley's path into real estate was anything but traditional: she started out as a hairdresser before a single book changed the direction of her life. Ashley leads development strategy and execution across Pivot's portfolio, with a focus on urban infill, mixed-use, and adaptive reuse in downtown Oklahoma City. Her work spans hospitality, historic rehabilitation, retail, housing, and public-private infrastructure. But she's less interested in isolated projects than in what she calls "building pieces of a city": the ten interdependent parts that all have to work together to make a place function. It's a generalist's superpower, and Ashley leans all the way into it. In the course of a single day she might move from historic tax credits to re-tenancy to horizontal infrastructure, connecting dots that usually live in separate conversations. Before Pivot, Ashley spent more than a decade at Wheeler District, a 150-acre urban infill project in Oklahoma City. She joined in a flexible "do whatever needed to be done" role and grew into Vice President of Development, with work spanning placemaking, entitlements, infrastructure, vertical development, operations, and strategy. Watching a project evolve from an empty field into a neighborhood where people live, work, and gather gave her a rare feedback loop: and taught her that small decisions have a long tail. She also shares one of the best stories in the episode: a small playground placed between a restaurant and a brewery that turned into a family epicenter, with friends driving 30 minutes from the suburbs just to use the patio. The idea came from a 2017 team trip to Copenhagen, where the team biked the city and observed how families were woven into everyday public life. Ashley defines sustainability in a way that will stick with you: does a project actually work over time? Can a building adapt to a second- or fourth-generation user? Can it remain financially and operationally sound long after the original development team is gone? She also tells the story of Western Gateway Elementary School: handed an idea in 2017 with no education background and told to make it happen. She broke ground in March 2020, navigated charter authorization and curriculum-driven design decisions (restrooms in every classroom, for starters), and calls it her favorite project because she could see children learning in the finished building. Throughout the conversation, Ashley keeps returning to a people-first lens shaped by Jan Gehl's Life Between Buildings and Jane Jacobs. Developers create the framework for community, she says: but they can't manufacture it. The best work leaves room for people to make a place their own. Connect with AshleyEmail: ashley@pivotproject.comWebsite: pivotproject.comLinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/ashleynterryPivot Project is actively seeking partners: architects, lenders, and investors for its development pipeline. Learn more about Breaking Ceilings Breaking Ground: https://breakingceilingsbreakingground.com/ Subscribe, follow, leave a review, and share this episode with someone who's ready to jump in and figure it out.

  2. Sep 21

    Elam Freeman - Ojas Partners - With Vigor and Vitality

    What does it take to build a retail-first development platform in one of the fastest-growing markets in the country? For Elam Freeman, it starts with knowing who the customer is: because she is one of them. In this episode of Breaking Ceilings Breaking Ground, Molly McCabe and Jill Ferrari speak with Elam Freeman, Nashville native and founder of Ojas Partners, a retail-focused commercial real estate advisory firm serving greater Nashville and surrounding markets. Elam also launched an investment venture in 2025 that sponsors deals in the neighborhoods she knows best. Elam's path into commercial real estate was anything but linear. She studied political science, expected to work in social services, and taught yoga on the side to pay bills during her commission-only early years. When she entered the industry a decade ago, she describes feeling like a fish out of water culturally: but instead of retreating, she ran at the problem. That choice shaped her career philosophy: stand up, buy in, and break ground. At Ojas Partners, Elam and her team of about ten brokers serve as "the advocate for the retail in the room" on mixed-use projects. They come in early to help developers program retail space so it attracts the right tenants, then carry projects through lease-up. The firm has brought brands such as Equinox and Sweetgreen to Nashville while also helping local businesses grow from one location into many. Elam explains why retail strategy is a development function, not just a leasing function: and why securing commercial tenants can help mixed-use projects reach closing with more stable income streams. She also shares her approach to neighborhood merchandising: coordinating retail across a corridor so a district feels cohesive rather than piecemeal, because a rising tide lifts all ships. Now moving from LP investments to GP sponsorship, Elam is candid about her goal of getting more women and more first-time investors into private real estate. She discusses accessibility, walking before you run, and why she operates with an abundance mindset: "When you get the right people in the room, one plus one equals three." She also makes the case for AI as a force multiplier: not a replacement for judgment: and explains her plan to bring in an "AI architect" to connect marketing, accounting, and operations into one cohesive platform. Connect with Elam Freeman LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/elamfreeman : messaging is the best way to reach herElam is actively seeking capital partners for Nashville deals, from institutional groups to friends-and-family opportunities, and welcomes listeners interested in investing alongside a female sponsor. Learn more about Breaking Ceilings Breaking Ground: https://breakingceilingsbreakingground.com/ Subscribe, follow, leave a review, and share this episode with someone ready to run at the problem.

    Elam Freeman - Ojas Partners - With Vigor and Vitality
  3. Sep 15

    Ronita Coleman - LJ Golden Realty - Building for Future Generations

    Ronita Coleman: Persistence in PracticeWhat does it take to bring a nearly century-old building back to life after more than 20 years of vacancy? For Ronita Coleman, the answer is persistence, alignment, and a commitment to building for future generations. In this episode of Breaking Ceilings Breaking Ground, Molly McCabe and Jill Ferrari speak with Ronita Coleman, co-founder of LJ Golden Realty in Metro Detroit. Ronita shares the story behind Casa del Rey, a historic building in Pontiac, Michigan, being transformed into a 54-unit apartment community for middle-income and working-class residents earning approximately 60%–120% of area median income. With the project nearing its ribbon cutting, Ronita reflects on the challenges of restoring a complex, long-vacant property—and why she and her husband believed Casa del Rey needed a solution they could help provide. Ronita’s path to development began alongside a 24-year career at General Motors. She and her husband started by fixing and flipping foreclosed homes, then shifted to buy-and-hold investments after becoming parents. After acquiring approximately eight to ten single-family homes on Detroit’s east side, they recognized that commercial real estate offered the scale needed to multiply their impact. The transition was not easy. A first commercial deal fell apart at the closing table, but Ronita kept the property and treated the experience as an education rather than a defeat. Her philosophy is clear: every challenge teaches you how to handle the next one. Ronita also discusses the lived experiences that shape her approach to development—including her retired parents, her late grandmother who lived independently until age 86 despite being blind, and a cousin who uses a wheelchair. Accessibility, affordability, walkability, “busability,” and dignity are not abstract concepts in her work. They are essential measures of a quality home and community. Connect with Ronita ColemanLinkedIn: Search for Ronita ColemanFacebook: Search for LJ Golden RealtyInstagram: Search for LJ Golden Realty Learn more about Breaking Ceilings Breaking Ground: https://breakingceilingsbreakingground.com/ Subscribe, follow, leave a review, and share this episode with someone who is building with persistence—and with future generations in mind.

  4. Aug 31

    Ellen Buckley - Prospera Real Estate Collective - Sapient Urbanism

    Ellen Buckley believes the next frontier in real estate isn't a building technology. It's understanding people. Ellen is founder and CEO of Prospera Real Estate Collective, where she's led over $6 billion in development across multifamily, workforce housing, mixed-use, hospitality, and master-planned communities in the Midwest, Northeast, Southeast, and Asia. She started in the industry at fourteen, transferring deeds at her grandfather's law firm. By seventeen, she was the only woman on an all-male framing crew. Today, she's applying neuroscience and human behavior research to how communities get built. In this episode, Ellen talks about: Why she moved a workforce homeownership project forward through a partnership with a local churchCommunity immersion: why she spent three days living in a North Miami neighborhood — and did it again in Coconut Grove — before finalizing a projectSapient urbanism, and what changes when developers study neuroscience and human behavior alongside site plansAn independent study Prospera commissioned on workforce turnover costs in Miami-Dade County: $1.3 billion in a single yearWhy she treats sustainability as three things at once — economic, social, and environmental — not just green building standardsHer advice for women moving into development: don't wait until you're not the only one in the roomConnect with Ellen: LinkedIn (Ellen Buckley) or ellen@prosperaco.com If this episode moved you, subscribe to Breaking Ceilings | Breaking Ground, leave a review, and share it with someone building something. Know a woman in real estate development whose story should be told? Reach out through breakingceilingsbreakingground.com.

  5. Aug 24

    Belinda Watts - Row Partners: The Translator

    Belinda Watts: The Third Ascent What happens when an accomplished architecture and design career becomes the foundation for an entirely new chapter? In this episode of Breaking Ceilings Breaking Ground, Molly McCabe and Jill Ferrari speak with Belinda Watts, founding partner of Row Partners LLC, a certified woman-owned owner’s representative and project management firm serving clients across New York City and the tri-state area. Belinda’s career has taken her from a sheep farm in Australia to Pratt Institute, innovative work in tensile and modular structures, and 25 years as a project director at Gensler. At 67, she launched Row Partners and began what she calls a “third ascent”—a new phase of entrepreneurship, development, and purposeful work. Belinda explains how she acts as “the translator” between clients and the specialized language of construction, design, insurance, and real estate. She also shares her perspective on adaptive reuse, small-scale development, interior architecture, retail’s role in activating streets, and why well-cared-for spaces influence how people live and work. Her advice for aspiring developers is refreshingly practical: development does not have to mean a ground-up, 25-unit project. A two-family or four-family property can offer the same essential lessons in acquisition, financing, renovation, property management, and stewardship. Belinda also talks candidly about moving from the efficiency of a corporate structure to the challenges of building her own business—and the value of having big aspirations supported by small, achievable plans. In this episode, we discuss: Belinda’s journey from rural Australia to New York’s design and development communityHer 25-year career at GenslerThe “translator” role of an owner’s representativeAdaptive reuse and flagship retail projectsReclaiming retail frontage on 14th StreetHow retail helps activate streets and strengthen neighborhoodsInterior architecture and the importance of “cared-for design”Small-scale development and renovating two- and four-family propertiesLaunching Row Partners at age 67The “third ascent” and later-career entrepreneurshipBuilding systems after leaving a large corporate firmWhy aspiring big with small plans can create lasting momentum Connect with Belinda Watts: Row Partners LLC: https://rowpartnersllc.com LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/belinda-watts-220b9090 Learn more about Breaking Ceilings Breaking Ground: https://breakingceilingsbreakingground.com/ Subscribe, follow, and share the episode with someone building a meaningful second—or third—act in commercial real estate. Breaking Ceilings Breaking Ground celebrates the women shaping the future of real estate development across North America.

  6. Aug 16

    Meghan Elliott - New History & JillPine: Falling Foward and Rebuilding History

    What happens when a structural engineer sees possibility where others see failure? In this episode of Breaking Ceilings Breaking Ground, Molly McCabe and Jill Ferrari speak with Meghan Elliott, a licensed structural engineer, developer, and serial entrepreneur whose career was shaped by witnessing the destruction caused by the 1989 Loma Prieta earthquake. Meghan is the founder of New History and Jillpine, and co-founder of RevitalizeMN—three ventures connected by a shared mission: keeping historic buildings alive, useful, and connected to the communities around them. She explains how the earthquake taught her to see buildings as structures that can “fall forward”—to fail, adapt, and return to service. That perspective now guides her work restoring some of the most challenging historic properties in Minnesota. Her latest project, The Book Match, transformed a century-old sandstone schoolhouse in Sandstone, Minnesota, after a 45-year community effort to save the building. The project involved 17 capital sources, including five state agencies and two federal agencies. The Book Match is now fully leased, demonstrating the demand for thoughtful, community-centered workforce housing. Meghan also shares the story of Leijona, her first development project—a former Duluth jail converted into housing while preserving original jail-cell bars to meet historic tax-credit requirements. Along the way, she discusses learning real estate finance by “making mistakes, making some big mistakes,” building an informal advisory board, and knowing when to ask people with skills she does not have for help. In this episode, we discuss:The 1989 Loma Prieta earthquake The idea of buildings “falling forward” into a new chapterStructural engineering, architecture, and the path to developmentFounding New History and launching JillpineThe 45-year community effort behind The Book Match & its 17-source capital stackConverting the former St. Louis County Jail into Leijona apartmentsHistoric tax credits and the challenge of preserving characterLearning real estate finance through experience (and mistakes)Building an informal advisory board & how it has benefited her work and careerPerseverance, tenacity, and finding another route after hearing “no” Connect with Meghan ElliottThe Book Match: https://www.thebookmatchsandstone.comLeijona: https://www.liveleijona.comJillpine: https://www.jillpine.comNew History: https://www.newhistory.comMeghan Elliott on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/meghan-e-elliottLearn more about Breaking Ceilings Breaking Ground: https://breakingceilingsbreakingground.com/ Subscribe, follow, and share this episode with someone who sees possibility in places others have given up on.

  7. Aug 9

    Marisol Chávez Valdes, Delteck & Fabiola Alvarez Yurcisin, ULI

    Building Beyond Walls – The Intersection of Industrial Placemaking and Equitable UrbanismEpisode Overview: In this episode, we sit down with two visionary leaders who are redefining the built environment across North America. Marisol Chávez Valdés (Director of Real Estate Portfolio, Deltack) and Fabiola Alvarez Yurcisin (Director, ULI Terwilliger Center for Housing) join us to discuss how intentional design, community-first placemaking, and a "generosity of spirit" are transforming everything from industrial parks in Mexico to equitable housing policy in Washington, D.C. From nearshoring in Mexico to the critical role of women in cross-border development, we explore why "profit and community impact" are not competing priorities, but two sides of the same calculation. Key Topics: Defining Placemaking: Moving beyond industrial barriers to create human-centric, accessible spaces that serve the local community.The Power of Intentionality: How Deltack sets new standards for pedestrian infrastructure and public space integration in industrial developments.Resilience as a Superpower: Our guests share their personal stories of navigating motherhood, leadership, and finding authenticity in male-dominated spaces.The Dual-Lens Approach: How the intersection of art and urban planning helps leaders ask better questions and build more inclusive cities.Cross-Border Collaboration: Understanding the unique challenges and opportunities of housing and industrial development in the U.S.–Mexico corridor.Guests: Marisol Chávez Valdés: Architect, urban designer, and Director of Real Estate Portfolio at Deltack, based in Monterrey, Mexico. Connect with her on LinkedIn.Fabiola Alvarez Yurcisin: Urban planner, systems thinker, and artist serving as Director at ULI's Terwilliger Center for Housing. Explore her art at fabiola.com.mx or reach out via LinkedIn.Mentioned in this Episode: Urban Land Institute (ULI) Terwilliger Center for HousingDeltack’s approach to nearshoring and industrial development in MexicoThe role of art in urban design and community engagementSubscribe & Follow: Loved this conversation? Subscribe to Breaking Ceilings, Breaking Ground wherever you get your podcasts. If you know a woman in real estate development whose story deserves to be heard, reach out to us at www.breakingceilingsbreakingground.com. Keep breaking ceilings and breaking ground!

  8. Aug 2

    Shellan Rodriguez - SMR Development: Pragmatic Changemaker

    The Pragmatic Changemaker: Shellan Rodriguez on Bridge-Building and Park-Bench DealsIn this episode, Molly and Jill sit down with Shellan Rodriguez, the founder of SMR Development. With over 20 years of experience spanning the public, private, and nonprofit sectors, Shellan has built a reputation for being the "bridge" between two worlds: the high-stakes world of market-rate development and the mission-critical world of affordable housing. Shellan’s journey is a masterclass in pragmatism. After her own mother (a social worker) told her she’d be a terrible social worker because she was "too practical," Shellan found her calling in real estate—a way to impact lives without getting lost in the "messiness of humanity." From rural Idaho to the Eastern Sierra, Shellan is proving that you don't need a real estate dynasty behind you to build a legacy. Key Takeaways from the Episode:Pragmatism Over Ideology: Why Shellan chooses affordable and attainable housing because it allows her to "feel good about today and make a living at the same time."The Translator Superpower: How she brings market-rate developers into the affordable space by speaking both "profit" and "permit."Closing Deals from the Park Bench: A glimpse into the life of a multitasking founder—closing a major deal on her laptop while helping her son catch his first fish.Real Estate Without a Safety Net: Shellan talks about building a company without a family real estate background or a financial "catch-all" if she falls.The Power of "I Don't Know": Why she values the Women’s Development Collaborative (WDC) as a safe space to ask the the questions and get clear answers trusted peers and colleagues.Vetting the Partner: Her practical advice on structuring partnerships and finding the right guarantors when you’re building from the ground up.Resources Mentioned:SMR Development: www.smrdevelopment.comWomen’s Development Collaborative (WDC): www.wdc-online.orgContact Shellan: Reach out for Idaho and Nevada project partnerships via her website.

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Every skyline has a story. Breaking Ceilings | Breaking Ground brings you the women behind them — developers, entrepreneurs, and innovators transforming commercial real estate across North America and shaping the next generation of great cities. Hosted by CRE veterans Molly McCabe and Jill Ferrari, each episode goes deep with industry trailblazers: the deals they've closed, the companies they've built, and how technology, community, and bold vision are changing what's possible. Whether you're already building or just getting started, this is the conversation you've been waiting for.

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