Shack and Mu | On the Move

Dr. Sacoby Wilson | Dr. Mustafa Santiago Ali
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You don't need a degree to understand your power bill, your water, or your air. You've just been told you do. The Shack and Mu Show, hosted by Dr. Sacoby Wilson and Dr. Mustafa Ali, is a community-driven podcast about power, justice, and survival. After decades on the frontlines of environmental justice, working inside these communities instead of studying them from a distance, Shack and Mu break down government, energy, food, housing, and health into language anyone can follow.

Episodes

  1. 1d ago

    Episode 2: Power & Pollution | Shack & Mu

    "You may not believe in climate change, but climate change believes in you." In episode 2 of Shack & Mu, Dr. Sacoby Wilson and Dr. Mustafa Santiago Ali get real about disasters and the people the cameras never show: category five hurricanes, 128 degree heat, biblical floods, and the communities forced to survive them with the least help and the least blame. Opening with James Baldwin's line about making people conscious of what they do not see, the hosts trace a line from Hurricane Katrina, where Dr. Ali served on the emergency response team, to Maria, Harvey, Helene, and the LA fires. They name the pattern: the same people get hit hardest every time, and they usually contributed least to the problem. Dr. Wilson unpacks "compounding vulnerabilities," why a floodplain floods for a reason, and how toxic Superfund sites turn a flood into a poison soup. Then they turn to solutions: hurricane resistant housing, heat and housing justice, cooling centers, trees on every block, faith centers as disaster hubs, and building justice back into FEMA. In this episode(00:16) Hurricane Melissa and the case for a category six(02:58) Katrina on the ground, firsthand(05:51) Paper towels and "great job, Brownie"(08:21) Compounding vulnerabilities explained(11:40) Rebuild or relocate, and FEMA's inequities(15:20) Zoning, Phoenix heat, and building codes(18:04) Cooling centers, trees, and Baltimore's Code Red study(20:45) Rapid fire: faith groups, fossil fuels, youth, and FEMA(25:00) When disaster meets ICEKey takeawaysThe same people get hit hardest. Black, Latino, Indigenous, low income, uninsured, and floodplain communities carry the heaviest losses while contributing least to emissions.A flood is rarely just water. When Superfund sites breach, one contained hazard becomes a toxic soup spread across a whole community.Build justice into the code. Hurricane resistant housing, heat justice, and smart zoning protect people before the next event.Trees and cooling centers save lives. A single street tree can mean a 20 to 30 degree difference.Save the vulnerable and you save everyone. Equity in preparedness and recovery is the whole strategy, not an add on.Call your local representative and tell them what you expect on climate preparedness, find your nearest cooling center, and support the faith centers and mutual aid groups acting as disaster hubs. Follow Shack & MuListen: Apple Podcasts | Amazon Music | YouTube Social: Instagram | TikTok | Threads | Facebook

  2. 1d ago

    Feeding the Future

    "A system cannot fail those it was never meant to protect." In the debut episode of Shack & Mu, Dr. Mustafa Santiago Ali and Dr. Sacoby Wilson pull back the curtain on America's food system and ask a blunt question: why do millions in the wealthiest country on earth go hungry, and what can everyday folks do about it? Recorded as new federal SNAP cuts hit 42 million people, this conversation moves from the kitchen table to the halls of power. Kobe, who grew up on free lunch and SNAP in Vicksburg, Mississippi, breaks down the difference between food deserts, food swamps, and food apartheid. From there the two dig into school lunch politics, the wisdom of Booker T. Washington and George Washington Carver, and why growing your own food is as much about dignity and spirituality as nutrition. They close with a rapid fire round on what youth, schools, churches, cities, and policymakers can do starting tomorrow. In this episode (00:35) The "big bullcrap bill" and SNAP cuts(01:00) Food deserts, food swamps, and food apartheid explained(03:03) School lunch, vending machines, and long term health(05:15) Booker T. Washington and self sufficiency(08:15) Muscadines, scuppernongs, and the neighborhood food forest(09:00) Hydroponics, aquaponics, and green roofs(10:34) Food as spiritual, food as dignity(12:00) The million dollar question: a garden in every school(13:48) Rapid fire: youth, schools, churches, cities, and policy Key takeaways Food apartheid, not food desert. The lack of fresh food in low income and Black and Brown neighborhoods is a designed system, not an accident.Growing your own food is power. From raised beds to green roofs, communities can reconnect to the land even without much land.Start with kids. A school garden teaches growing, cooking, and health all at once.Everyday people belong in policymaking. The folks who stood in the pantry line when the shelves were empty should help write the rules. Talk is good, action is better. Reach out to a neighbor, call your town council or PTA about a school garden, and check whether your local food pantry is stocked. Follow Shack & Mu on all platforms! Listen: Apple Podcasts | Amazon Music | YouTube Social: Instagram | TikTok | Threads | Facebook

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    Shack & Mu Trailer

    Dr. Sacoby Wilson and Dr. Mustafa Santiago Ali spent decades on the frontlines. Now they're bringing the mic to you. They've spent decades on the frontlines of environmental, economic, racial, and health justice, and now those conversations are landing in your feed. The Shack & Mu Show takes it to the streets, putting real voices from real communities front and center so you can hear how change actually happens. Food justice. AI's environmental toll. The power of your vote. These are systemic issues, and the fight for solutions starts here. Subscribe on all platforms now. You won't want to miss a single episode.

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You don't need a degree to understand your power bill, your water, or your air. You've just been told you do. The Shack and Mu Show, hosted by Dr. Sacoby Wilson and Dr. Mustafa Ali, is a community-driven podcast about power, justice, and survival. After decades on the frontlines of environmental justice, working inside these communities instead of studying them from a distance, Shack and Mu break down government, energy, food, housing, and health into language anyone can follow.

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  • Creator
    Dr. Sacoby Wilson | Dr. Mustafa Santiago Ali
  • Years Active
    2026
  • Episodes
    3
  • Rating
    Clean
  • Copyright
    © Dr. Sacoby Wilson | Dr. Mustafa Santiago Ali
  • Show Website
    Shack and Mu | On the Move