Rod Lamberts speaks with James Harland, professor of computational logic and director of the STEM hub for digital innovation (HuDIni) at RMIT, about how technologists are at their best when they’re thinking beyond just new-and-shiny tools and focusing on real-world problems. They cover practical uses of virtual reality, mixed reality, robotics, and AI, plus why collaboration with designers, educators, and other specialists matters more than tech evangelism. Key topics In this episode, James Harland explains his role at HuDIni: managing a technical team while also building partnerships across the university, industry, and student communities.He argues for a problem-first approach to innovation: start with a real need, then choose the technology that fits, rather than forcing technology to look for a use.James describes “low hanging fruit” projects such as using virtual tours to improve university orientation and make campus information available year-round.He contrasts that with “high hanging fruit” such as large-scale projects involving remote training, including support for people delivering care and services in places where travel is difficult.The conversation returns repeatedly to the danger of technology evangelism, where enthusiasm for a tool can outrun its usefulness.James says technologists have a responsibility to raise awareness of what is possible without trying to own the solution or dictate the agenda.They discuss how often clients or collaborators think they know the answer before they have fully diagnosed the problem, and how the discovery process usually changes the brief.James gives examples of immersive learning in STEM, including a virtual journey through digestion and interactive 3D teaching for engineering and chemistry concepts.The episode also explores the gap between innovation labs and everyday teaching, especially the cultural and institutional barriers that slow adoption.Later, they turn to trust, arguing that skepticism toward technology is healthy when it is evidence-based, not knee-jerk.James closes with a broader view of history and context, including how technologists need to understand society beyond their own specialty.Timestamps (00:00) Why Rod wanted to talk to James Harland (00:36) What the Houdini hub actually does (01:18) Bringing people together across university silos (02:16) Virtual tours as a simple, practical innovation (03:32) “High hanging fruit” and larger impact projects (05:23) Why technologists should not drive social change (06:23) Selling the possibilities without becoming an evangelist (07:47) The role and risk of tech evangelism (10:30) Why predictions about technology age badly (11:27) Concepts stay, interfaces change (12:51) AI and the pace of technological change (14:17) Why clients often need help naming the real problem (15:56) The same diagnosis problem in science communication (17:14) Digital natives still do not necessarily understand systems (17:43) Speech interaction and underused interfaces (19:05) Creativity as part of technological innovation (20:06) Why designers unlock new uses for tech (21:32) Technologists as collaborators, not lone experts (22:25) Virtual reality for teaching digestion and nutrition (23:51) Turning 2D concepts into 3D understanding (25:36) The challenge of moving from showcase to classroom scale (27:58) Trust in technology, and trust in technologists (30:28) Comfort, familiarity, and learning to use new systems (31:12) Healthy skepticism and the need for evidence (33:47) Old-school teaching, new tools, and what counts as learning (34:16) How quickly “normal” technology becomes invisible (36:30) Resistance to the internet in the classroom (37:17) Why people resist change when the present feels good enough (38:05) Music formats, disruption, and public adoption (39:40) Life outside tech: gardening and singing (40:50) What technologists should learn from history and society (43:14) Acknowledgement of country and long time horizons (44:40) Why technologists should step outside their own bubble