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This is Watters Edge. Join John Watters as he leads real conversations with the defenders and innovators shifting the balance of power in cybersecurity. Watters Edge is sponsored by iCOUNTER, leading the third wave of cybersecurity with the industry's first COUNTER THREAT OPERATING SYSTEM.

Episodes

  1. 1d ago

    The 4 T’s of Investing - Jay Leek - Watters Edge - Episode #2

    Host John Watters sits down with longtime friend Jay Leek, Managing Partner of SYN Ventures, to trace his path from building computers in his family's business in West Texas to operating roles at Nokia, Equifax, and Blackstone, where he became the first CISO in private equity. Jay explains how those experiences shaped his move into full time investing, and shares how he evaluates founding teams, why timing now carries as much weight as team and technology, and how AI is reshaping the attack surface and the role of the engineer.   Takeaways: Evaluate teams first. Jay's four Ts framework, team, total addressable market, technology, and timing, puts team ahead of everything else, since a strong team will find a way around obstacles instead of giving up.Expect a stumble. Every company Jay has invested in has faced a setback at some point, and how a team recovers matters far more than avoiding the setback altogether.Separate testing from production. Jay's longstanding rule for portfolio companies is to never confuse a production environment with a glorified QA environment, a lesson that applies well beyond startups.Watch how teams adapt to AI first development. The role of the engineer is shifting from writing code to managing outcomes, and founders who can embrace that shift are better positioned for what comes next.Treat timing as its own discipline. Markets and technology are moving fast enough that timing now deserves the same weight as team, market, and technology when assessing an opportunity.Build from operating experience. SYN Ventures was built around partners with decades of firsthand experience as CISOs, CEOs, and founders, which shapes how they support the companies they back.Take calculated risks early. Jay reflects that developing comfort with risk earlier in a career, and recovering quickly from missteps, can meaningfully accelerate long term growth.Quote of the Show: “A smart team will jump over it, break it down, crawl around it, run around it, do whatever they need to do.” - Jay LeekLinks: LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/jayleekWebsite: synventures.comWays to Tune In: Podcast Website: https://wattersedgepodcast.com/ Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/033ZejaonpOuVPFh8m350w Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/podcast/watters-edge-1e65430c-e5c4-4c35-a520-bf0d90571f3b/id6796840936 Amazon Music: https://music.amazon.com/podcasts/4b3bebed-655d-42a7-82de-021519c4ccea iHeart Radio: https://iheart.com/podcast/340198973/ YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@WattersEdgePodcast

    The 4 T’s of Investing - Jay Leek - Watters Edge - Episode #2
  2. Aug 4

    Rise of the Third Wave - Kevin Mandia - Watters Edge - Episode #1

    Host John Watters sits down with longtime friend Kevin Mandia, CEO of Armadin, to dig into founding Mandiant, surviving the 2008 recession, and the APT1 report that put Chinese nation state hacking on the front page and reshaped the threat intelligence industry. The conversation moves through the FireEye acquisition, the hard years of stepping into the CEO role, and the eventual sale to Google, before landing on why Kevin came out of retirement to build Armadin and bet everything on autonomous, AI led security.   Takeaways: Treat breaches as inevitable rather than preventable, and build your reputation on being the trusted first call when something goes wrong.Word of mouth can outperform an entire sales team. Kevin grew Mandiant profitably for a decade largely through referrals and inbound calls.Codify what you learn from every incident. Mandiant's early internal indicator schema turned scattered forensic work into a repeatable intelligence advantage.Expect friction during a turnaround. Cost cuts and restructuring will test trust with your team, and leaders need to communicate directly through it.Move away from human in the loop detection models. AI led attacks are moving at a speed and scale that requires autonomous response.Use offensive AI capability to train and validate your defenses before adversaries ever get the chance to attack.Commit to continuous learning as a baseline habit. Every CISO and CEO Kevin talks to agrees that staying current with new tools and data sources is now nonnegotiable. Quote of the Show: “You've gotta look at your entire stack, all your tech, all your people, and get ready for the AI world.” - Kevin MandiaLinks: LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/kevin-mandia-0a07173Website: mandiant.com Ways to Tune In: Podcast Website: https://wattersedgepodcast.com/ Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/033ZejaonpOuVPFh8m350w Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/podcast/watters-edge-1e65430c-e5c4-4c35-a520-bf0d90571f3b/id6796840936 Amazon Music: https://music.amazon.com/podcasts/4b3bebed-655d-42a7-82de-021519c4ccea iHeart Radio: https://iheart.com/podcast/340198973/YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@WattersEdgePodcast

    Rise of the Third Wave - Kevin Mandia - Watters Edge - Episode #1

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This is Watters Edge. Join John Watters as he leads real conversations with the defenders and innovators shifting the balance of power in cybersecurity. Watters Edge is sponsored by iCOUNTER, leading the third wave of cybersecurity with the industry's first COUNTER THREAT OPERATING SYSTEM.