Andres and Jami sit down with Nick Livingston, founder of Honeit, from his home in Tamarindo, Costa Rica. Nick grew up an only child in Topeka, Kansas, majored in math, drove to Colorado to ski for a year, then drove to New York with a backpack and a guitar to work in music and got hired into tech recruiting instead. Twenty-plus years later he runs a self-funded interview platform built on one line in the sand: no AI ranking, no AI scoring, no AI matching. The conversation covers what separates an okay recruiter from a great one, why the role survives the tools, and how a six month sublet in Oakland turned into ten years at the beach. Key topics * Topeka, Spokane, and an only child with a superintendent for a father * Why Costa Rica, and the six month experiment that never ended * Washing cars at a Ford dealership: there are mechanics and there are salespeople * A math major, a post-college crisis, and 105 days of skiing * New York with a guitar and how a recruiting firm changed the plan * Okay, good, and great recruiters walk into an intake call very differently * Curiosity as the trait, and the question his first mentor asked him * Recruiter as project manager, salesperson, therapist, strategist * Why the role survives the tools, and what tedious work should already be gone * Agency, in-house, and inside an ATS: three views of the same industry * Self-funding Honeit for eleven years instead of chasing rounds * The line in the sand: human decisions, no black box * Every recruiter can work like an executive recruiter Hiring faster does not mean hiring better, and the pendulum is swinging back. What we learned in the full conversation The first job taught him there are two kinds of people in every business.Lot attendant at car washes, then washing every car at a Ford dealership. When you finish the line you start at the beginning. What stuck was not the cars. There are mechanics and there are salespeople, and you have to learn to talk to both to get anything done. He has been standing between those two types ever since. He drove to Colorado to break the pattern and never drove back west.Math major, physics minor, small state school in Bellingham, and then he was back at his parents’ house working the same Best Buy job he had in college. “Wait a minute, I just graduated. What am I doing?” He packed the car, skied 105 days, worked three jobs on the mountain, and met his wife Corinne. Then he drove to New York. He went to New York for music and a recruiting firm saw something else.Backpack and guitar, one or two contacts, a cousin’s introduction to a recruiting agency. They said: you seem like a people person and you like technology, have you thought about tech recruiting? They hired him to build out the tech desk. Spanish Harlem walk-up, then a basement apartment with a window that opened onto a brick wall. That was the restart that made everything after it. Costa Rica started as a six month experiment nobody ended.Third daughter just born, both parents working at San Francisco startups, both realizing they could work from a coffee shop anywhere. They sublet the Oakland house for six months. “What’s the worst that could happen?” The tenants asked for six more. Then COVID. Ten years later they are still in Tamarindo, a town small enough that you wave at everyone on the street and the kids ride bikes to the beach the way he did in Kansas. The trade is pace for quality of life, and he names it plainly.He misses the tech meetups, the random dinners, the contagious speed of New York and San Francisco. He does not pretend otherwise. What he got back is a safe place for three daughters and a business that runs fine from a laptop. Beer and fries for about twelve dollars, if you were wondering. Okay, good, and great recruiters walk into the same 30 minute intake call with completely different inputs.Okay shows up with no job description and starts from zero. Good has a rough spec and some knowledge of the function. Great arrives with a market map, the top five companies to go after, two cities to relocate from, and one more request: give me the questions you ask candidates on the third interview so I can ask them on the first call. The output of the intake call matters more than the input.A hiring manager spends 45 minutes telling you why the role matters and you walk out with scribbled notes. You lost most of it, you cannot pass it to the rest of the hiring team, and you cannot pitch it as well as they just did. His fix: capture it, share it with the people who were not in the room, and let passive candidates hear the hiring manager’s own enthusiasm. Nobody sells the job better than the person who explained it to you. The one trait is curiosity, and he learned it from the question that hired him.His first recruiting manager in New York, Jay Gulati, opened the interview with: what do you know about me? Nick had done the homework. That, Jay told him, is the instinct that makes you dig deeper on a role, a client, a candidate. The question Nick asks recruiters now: tell me about a placement that stood out. He listens for the story. Was the search hard, was the hiring manager brutal, did you find the guy because his license plate said Java. Great means going levels deep, and it is the same skill Jami named.Jami’s point: you never fill the same role twice, even with the same title and the same manager, because the team changed. Nick’s version: we need a software engineer. Why? What are they building? Why does that module matter? Which piece is this person on? Who does the other piece? Are you the person who solved it or one of 400 people with the same title at the company that solved it? The person who did it never forgets it. The asset is a human, and humans change their minds.There are not many jobs where the thing you are selling is a person who is sometimes illogical, and the buyer is another set of people who did not sleep last night. That is why every vendor who promises to solve hiring starts with matching resumes to job descriptions, and why it has never been that. The job is getting this person to fit with this group of people. The recruiter survives the tools because someone has to give the hiring manager their time back.Whatever the title becomes, an understaffed manager covering the empty seat still needs someone to find, evaluate, sell, and get the team to consensus faster than the competition. Project manager, salesperson, therapist, strategist. What should already be gone: manual scheduling, typing notes during interviews, spending 40 minutes retelling what a candidate said. That is not AI. That is automation from ten years ago. He recommends seeing the industry from three seats.Agency first, to cut your teeth and learn a dozen businesses. Then in-house, where you cannot break up with a hiring manager and retention counts as much as the hire. He also spent a sprint inside Taleo as a power user turned employee, and left with one observation: the ATS was missing the part where recruiters talk to people. He self-funded Honeit for eleven years because the Silicon Valley path turns the CEO into a fundraiser.Two technical cofounders, James and Kim, who cared about the same problem. Instead of seed, A, B, C, they built slowly and stayed close to customers. Not a bot that listens to a Zoom call. A full communication stack for recruiters: phone, video, SMS, outbound, all purpose-built. Long road, on purpose. The line in the sand is three words he refuses to build: ranking, scoring, matching.Human decisions only. A recruiter hears a great placement story and marks it five out of five. A robot says “Andres is a 68” and nobody can explain why. HR carries laws the sales team does not, and just because AI can do something does not mean it is safe or defensible. His pitch is the compliant choice: take away the scheduling, the notes, the summaries, the chasing of feedback, and leave the judgment to a person. The one-way video interview already taught the industry this lesson twenty years ago.Send a candidate a link and tell them to interview themselves. Candidates hated it. They want to talk to someone and feel valued, and they read the process as a preview of the job. AI chatbots are the same idea in a new coat. He watched companies rush in for speed over the last year and is now watching them come back. Who do you talk to first is the new question, and it does not need AI.Five hundred applicants, every resume looks the same, bots applying on behalf of people. His answer is old: knockout questions configured for the specific rec. Yes or no, radio buttons, weighted scores. An automotive client hiring technicians at scale knows certification level, makes and models, and welding types before the call starts. If legal asks why you spoke to 47 people and not 237, the rubric answers. Every recruiter can work like an executive recruiter now.Executive search had the unfair advantage of three roles instead of thirty, so there was time for research, more conversations, a seven page dossier that took three associates two weeks. Staffing firms click a button and send a resume. His bet is a recruiter carrying twenty recs in six different languages, with the right six questions in front of them for each one, interviewing like an expert on the first call. Recruiters have always been translators.Andres’s advice was to travel the world and get lost in a city where you do not speak the language, because companies are the same. Nick took it further. Finance speaks one language, marketing another, engineering a third. The recruiter hears the cost accounting director, interprets it for the candidate, hears the candidate, and carries it back up. Multiple languages inside one building. The monster moment was distance.He lost his mother about fourteen years ago and felt terrible for having been in New York, trading family time for career. He said there are a lot of trade-offs and that one was the hard one. He did not dr