If I would have a mystical experience, mystical experience of dissolution of I, after it’s ended, the I comes in and says, it happened to me. It’s like a failure. It’s like, okay, I had this mystical opening. The I says, oh, look, it was my experience. And then the next assessment is, I failed, the separate self is alive. Maybe there is a lot of thinking now. The separate self is alive and kicking. So what is aware of that right now? The awareness is always aware. Now that you put my attention to it. Okay. But did you need to put your attention on it for it to be there? Or is it just there? It is just there, but somehow your pointing made me notice it. Okay, sure. But whenever you notice it’s there, yeah? Yes. Yes. So during the mystical, great, fantastic experiences, what is aware? The same awareness that is aware now of this conversation. Yeah. That’s the essence. Whether there’s a mystical experience, or there’s an I experience, separate self experience, all of those are known in the same aware. No matter what is going on. So what happens is, we confuse the experience, the state, what we feel and sense and perceive, to be what we’re looking for. So even if it’s a beautiful mystical experience, those states come and go. So that’s not what this is about. This is about recognizing what always knows, no matter which experience. And then the more that is recognized, the more it becomes obvious that it doesn’t matter what the experience is. The freedom and peace that we’re looking for is not found in a mystical experience, and always available is to notice what is aware, and to know directly the liberation that we’re looking for in the future. Because what knows this experience, or what is aware, or what is present to this experience, is liberated already. What we’re looking for, really, truly looking for, the essence of freedom, if we stand as what is aware, stand as our true being. And that is always the case. You can always check that. Until it becomes more obvious, more peace, because everything is okay, there’s nothing wrong, so more interesting than whatever state. — excerpt from Monday’s open meeting (all meetings free to join, details on katoudheusden.com) This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit dailynonduality.substack.com