Not So Washed Up

Isabel Deutsch & Mia Yabut
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Welcome to Not So Washed Up. The podcast for former athletes, high performers, and anyone who’s carried the discipline, resilience, and competitive mindset of sports into life beyond the game — where former athletes are forced to redefine success once the scoreboard disappears. Hosted by two former Division I athletes turned professionals and founders. We are navigating the chaos of ambition, wellness, relationships, career pressure, and personal growth — this show is about what happens when the game ends… but your drive doesn’t. Every week, we sit down with elite performers — from every industry — to unpack the mindset, discipline, failures, and habits that actually translate from sports into real life. Because the truth is: Most people stop competing. We just changed arenas. This is Not So Washed Up.

Episodes

  1. 4d ago

    The Mia Interview

    Episode 5: The Mia Interview Izzy interviews our resident scientist about her entire athletic journey. It starts with a 4-year-old leaping off the car roof into her dad's arms and runs through Level 10, Yale gymnastics, and her current life balancing a PhD and her young family. We get into the gymnastics lesson that set her up for science, the identity crisis, and raising kids without "manufacturing the struggle." She throws some reluctant love to THE NARP in her life as well…  *Content warning: this episode includes discussion of depression, anxiety, and eating disorders.* Chapters: 00:23 — Intro: Interviewing Our Co-Host 01:20 — Immigrant Family Roots & Moving to Nashville 02:47 — How Gymnastics Became a Family Sport 05:06 — Olympic Dreams at Age 7 06:43 — Moving for the Sport & 40-Hour Training Weeks 09:58 — Mom the Hype Woman, Dad the Hardest Worker in the Room 14:36 — Learning How to Fall: Gymnastics → Science 18:09 — Recruitment, Injuries, & Choosing Yale 24:21 — "Yale Rocked Me" 31:50 — The Last Day & The Identity Crisis 35:19 — Med School vs. Falling in Love With Research 40:29 — Ed, the NARP Husband 43:30 — Parenting & How Hard to Push 46:08 — A Message From Coach Kwon

  2. Sep 30

    THE Identity Crisis

    THE Identity Crisis TW: This episode discusses depression, disordered eating, and substance use in the context of retired athletes. Take care of yourself, and reach out for support if you need it. Izzy and Mia go back in time to unpack the identity crisis that hits almost every athlete after their sport ends: the withdrawal, the depression, the "who am I now" spiral nobody talks about. Mia brings the peer-reviewed data. This one gets personal, informative, and ends with our classic chaos. ENJOY.  Chapters: 00:23 — Intro 02:16 — Types of Retirement + Rebuilding Your Identity After Sport 03:28 — Izzy's COVID-Forced Retirement 06:21 — The Science: What Forced Retirement Does to Athletes' Mental Health 07:45 — Mia's Retirement Depression 08:52 — Chasing the High: Dopamine + Epigenetics  14:19 — Shoving It Down: Izzy's Retirement  17:16 — The Stats: Depression Rates in Retired NFL, NBA & Soccer Players 19:02 — Speaking To Young Mia, Young Izzy, and Anyone Else Facing Sports Retirement  21:48 — Mia's 100-Routines-in-a-Row 27:00 — FULL Tangent: Retinol + the Collagen Meta-Analysis Redux 32:03 — Izzy Gaming the Baseline Test 34:47 — Mia's Plantar Fasciitis 37:30 — Reclaiming the Toxicity 40:20 — Team Accountability Sources: Dopamine genetics & epigenetics Humińska-Lisowska, K., et al. (2023). Epigenetic Analysis of the Dopamine Transporter Gene DAT1 with a Focus on Personality Traits in Athletes. Int J Mol Sci. DOI: 10.3390/ijms24108931Michałowska-Sawczyn, M., et al. (2024). Association Analysis of the Dopaminergic Receptor 2 Gene Tag1B rs1079597 and Personality Traits Among a Cohort of Professional Athletes. Biol Sport. DOI: 10.5114/biolsport.2025.139470Dopamine & training intensity Boecker, H., et al. (2024). Fractional Amplitude of Low-Frequency Fluctuations Associated with Endocannabinoid, µ-Opioid and Dopamine Receptor Distributions after High-Intensity Exercise Bouts. Front Neuroimaging. DOI: 10.3389/fnimg.2024.1332384Dopamine & burnout/stress Cai, C., et al. (2025). From adversity to adaptation: the struggle between resilience and athlete burnout in stressful situations. Front Psychol. DOI: 10.3389/fpsyg.2025.1578198Baik, J-H. (2020). Stress and the dopaminergic reward system. Exp Mol Med. DOI: 10.1038/s12276-020-00532-4Retirement & identity transition Mannes, Z-L., et al. (2018). Prevalence and Correlates of Psychological Distress among Retired Elite Athletes: A Systematic Review. PMC.Voorheis, P., et al. (2023). Adaptation to life after sport for retired athletes: A scoping review of existing reviews and programs. PLOS ONE. DOI: 10.1371/journal.pone.0291683Collagen Myung, S-K., & Park, Y. (2025). Effects of Collagen Supplements on Skin Aging: A Systematic Review and Meta-Analysis of Randomized Controlled Trials. Am J Med. DOI: 10.1016/j.amjmed.2025.04.034Smith, L., et al. (2026). Collagen Supplementation for Skin and Musculoskeletal Health: An Umbrella Review of Meta-Analyses on Elasticity, Hydration, and Structural Outcomes. Aesthet Surg J Open Forum. DOI: 10.1093/asjof/ojag018A note on the research: the genetics/epigenetics studies show correlation, not causation, and the training-intensity study isn't a controlled experiment. The collagen debate hinges on how Myung & Park grouped trials by industry funding, which GROW (Gelatin Manufacturers of the World) and Collagen Stewardship Alliance dispute. We're sharing what the data shows, not overstating it.

  3. Sep 23

    The Izzy Interview

    The Izzy Interview It's Izzy's 27th birthday, so we're flipping the format: Mia sits down to interrogate our fearless leader on her entire athletic journey. From an anxious 8-year-old hiding in a bathroom stall at tryouts to a D1 career at Hawaii cut short by COVID.. We cover everything she's carried from soccer into this phase of life… Some love from Patty (Izzy’s mom) included! Chapters: 00:24 — Intro: Celebrating Izzy's 27th  02:03 — Deutsch Family Sports Culture 04:03 — The Bathroom-Hiding Tryout Story 06:04 — Perfectionism and The Pressure to Be Good at Everything 09:32 — Training Schedule Breakdown +Her Unicorn Club Team 13:46 — Private Training and Izzy’s Forever Intensity  18:20 — Recruitment & Choosing Hawaii 20:26 — Breakout Junior Year & COVID 22:00 — The Identity Crisis  26:23 — Channeling Intensity Into Work 29:24 — Why Harsh Feedback Still Works 35:21 — Finding Passion in Entrepreneurship 36:32 — Making Peace With the Journey

  4. Sep 16

    One night with Flo Rida (plus Sardines, PRPs, and Running)

    One night with Flo Rida (Plus Sardines, PRPs, and Running) Hold on, team, because this one is a bit of a wild ride. Join Izzy and Mia for their FIRST EVER in-person Head-to-Head..recapping a weekend of World Cup finals, a full sardine obsession arc, a Flo Rida–DJ Khaled fever dream, and one very Not So Washed Up wedding. P.S. Mia is starting a running journey. WATCH THIS SPACE.  Chapters 00:23 — Intro 01:30 — Izzy's NYC Moving Saga  03:32 — World Cup Fever 04:37 — Weekend Recap Kicks Off 05:34 — Sardines… 12:52 — Izzy’s Saturday Night 20:38 — The Great Sweat Debate 22:46 —The Legendary "PRP" 24:17 — Mia Thinks She’s A Matchmaker 25:54 — YGT + LMNT + Tequila = Perfection 27:17 — Mia’s New Running Era 29:08 — Soccer vs. Gymnastics: Fast-Twitch vs. Endurance 30:56 — Episode Recap

  5. Sep 9

    Welcome To Not So Washed Up

    Welcome to the Pod Izzy (former D1 soccer player) and Mia (former gymnast) launch Not So Washed Up, a show for former athletes navigating life, identity, and detecting wellness BS after sport. In this debut episode, they share how they met, the injuries that bonded them, and what's coming next. Chapters 00:00 — Cold Open/Clap-sync chaos 00:27 — Introducing Not So Washed Up 01:04 — AARMY Photoshoot Origin Story (how Izzy and Mia met) 03:35 — The Injuries That Brought Them Together 06:16 — Life After Sport & NARPs 08:26 — The Show's Real Mission 14:41 — What Izzy & Mia Do Now 18:24 — Cutting through marketing vs. real science (peptides, wellness trends) 19:36 — What's Coming (starring special guest, Howie). 25:46 — A beloved NARP's first workout 27:55 — Closing & Sign-Off

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About

Welcome to Not So Washed Up. The podcast for former athletes, high performers, and anyone who’s carried the discipline, resilience, and competitive mindset of sports into life beyond the game — where former athletes are forced to redefine success once the scoreboard disappears. Hosted by two former Division I athletes turned professionals and founders. We are navigating the chaos of ambition, wellness, relationships, career pressure, and personal growth — this show is about what happens when the game ends… but your drive doesn’t. Every week, we sit down with elite performers — from every industry — to unpack the mindset, discipline, failures, and habits that actually translate from sports into real life. Because the truth is: Most people stop competing. We just changed arenas. This is Not So Washed Up.

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  • Creator
    Isabel Deutsch & Mia Yabut
  • Years Active
    2026
  • Episodes
    5
  • Rating
    Explicit
  • Copyright
    © 2026 Isabel Deutsch & Mia Yabut

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