Not So Washed Up

Isabel Deutsch & Mia Yabut
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Welcome to Not So Washed Up. The podcast for former athletes, high performers, and anyone who’s carried the discipline, resilience, and competitive mindset of sports into life beyond the game — where former athletes are forced to redefine success once the scoreboard disappears. Hosted by two former Division I athletes turned professionals and founders. We are navigating the chaos of ambition, wellness, relationships, career pressure, and personal growth — this show is about what happens when the game ends… but your drive doesn’t. Every week, we sit down with elite performers — from every industry — to unpack the mindset, discipline, failures, and habits that actually translate from sports into real life. Because the truth is: Most people stop competing. We just changed arenas. This is Not So Washed Up.

Episodes

  1. Nov 4

    Halloween Pt. 2: PCOS Name Change

    Episode 9: Halloween Pt 2: PCOS Name Change (Plus Hormones 101, the Insulin Loop, and Why You’re Not Overtraining) Spider-Man and the Green Goblin are back for Part 2, and this time Mia brought her lab coat. PCOS has a new name, and we’re getting into why: the hormones nobody explained in health class, why so many elite athletes seem built for this, the loop keeping lean athletes stuck, and what the evidence says actually helps. Izzy shares her story, Mia drops lab notes to fact-check herself, and we find out live on Google when exactly the balls drop. Fellas, this one’s for you too. Not medical advice; every study we mention is linked below. Chapters 00:00 — Intro (Part 2 of 2) 03:19 — Hormones 101: Meet the Cast 06:12 — The 10–20x Gap 09:36 — The Day Izzy Cried 12:44 — Love Your Fat (A Lab Note) 14:03 — PCOS Got a Rebrand 17:05 — Built Different 19:27 — The Sticky Review 22:44 — Izzy’s Diagnosis 27:25 — It Runs in the Family 30:58 — Where Hormones Actually Come From 33:49 — The Insulin–Androgen Loop 42:21 — So… What Actually Helps? 46:58 — Not Overtraining, Underfueling 49:41 — Live From Google Sources Teede HJ, et al. Polyendocrine metabolic ovarian syndrome, the new name for polycystic ovary syndrome: a multistep global consensus process. Lancet. 2026;407:2329–2339.Teede HJ, et al. Recommendations from the 2023 International Evidence-based Guideline for the Assessment and Management of PCOS. Hum Reprod. 2023;38:1655–1679.Bozdag G, et al. The prevalence and phenotypic features of PCOS: a systematic review and meta-analysis. Hum Reprod. 2016;31(12):2841–2855.Skiba MA, et al. Understanding variation in prevalence estimates of PCOS. Hum Reprod Update. 2018;24(6):694–709.Hagmar M, et al. Hyperandrogenism may explain reproductive dysfunction in Olympic athletes. Med Sci Sports Exerc. 2009;41(6):1241–1248.Hirschberg AL. Female hyperandrogenism and elite sport. Endocr Connect. 2020;9(4):R81–R92.Vink JM, et al. Heritability of PCOS in a Dutch twin-family study. J Clin Endocrinol Metab. 2006;91(6):2100–2104.Risal S, et al. Prenatal androgen exposure and transgenerational susceptibility to PCOS. Nat Med. 2019;25(12):1894–1904.Stepto NK, et al. Women with PCOS have intrinsic insulin resistance on euglycaemic–hyperinsulaemic clamp. Hum Reprod. 2013;28(3):777–784.Cassar S, et al. Insulin resistance in PCOS: a systematic review and meta-analysis of clamp studies. Hum Reprod. 2016;31(11):2619–2631.Diamanti-Kandarakis E, Dunaif A. Insulin resistance and PCOS revisited. Endocr Rev. 2012;33(6):981–1030.Melin J, et al. Metformin and combined oral contraceptive pills in the management of PCOS. J Clin Endocrinol Metab. 2023.Goldberg A, et al. Anti-obesity pharmacological agents for PCOS: a systematic review and meta-analysis. 2024.Fitz V, et al. Inositol for PCOS: a systematic review and meta-analysis. J Clin Endocrinol Metab. 2024.Khosla S. Update on estrogens and the skeleton. J Clin Endocrinol Metab. 2010;95(8):3569–3577.Kraemer WJ, Ratamess NA. Hormonal responses and adaptations to resistance exercise and training. Sports Med. 2005;35(4):339–361.Mountjoy M, et al. 2023 IOC consensus statement on Relative Energy Deficiency in Sport (REDs). Br J Sports Med. 2023;57(17):1073–1097.Loucks AB, Thuma JR. LH pulsatility is disrupted at a threshold of energy availability in regularly menstruating women. J Clin Endocrinol Metab. 2003;88(1):297–311.Palmert MR, Dunkel L. Delayed puberty. N Engl J Med. 2012;366(5):443–453.Jonsdottir-Lewis E, et al. Timing of pubertal onset in girls and boys with constitutional delay. J Clin Endocrinol Metab. 2021;106(9):e3693–e3703.

  2. Oct 28

    Halloween Pt. 1: The Spidey Peptide Stack

    Halloween Pt. 1: The Spidey Peptide Stack Spider-Man and the Green Goblin are back together in person for the first time in over a month, and we talked for two hours. Part 1 is the catch-up: a lab win, a cross-country trip with three kids, MBA spiraling, the NYC apartment Hunger Games, and a concert story we’re still processing. The PCOS and sex hormones deep dive drops next week. Chapters 00:00 — Intro (Part 1 of 2) 00:59 — The Spidey Peptide Stack 04:43 — We Launched! 07:00 — Lab Win (No Scooping) 09:05 — Cancer 101: Why Cells Mutate 12:00 — Santa Barbara and Smoothie Bribes 16:45 — First Day of School Tears 18:45 — Should Izzy Get an MBA? 21:15 — The Silent Performer Speaks Up 23:15 — Crash Out 27:00 — NYC Apartment Hunger Games 31:45 — Four Tet and the Licker 39:40 — Happy Halloween

  3. Oct 21

    Athletic Mindset and AARMY

    Episode 7: Athletic Mindset and AARMY  Mia works through a MAJOR setback mid-experiment and pushes through. That’s basically the episode. We’re talking about the athletic mindset…aka THE stuff that sticks with you long after your last game. Izzy tells the story of her state championship penalty kicks, and we get CHILLS. We compare gymnastics vs soccer on visualization, superstitions, pressure, and trash talk before revealing the counting trick every athlete apparently does. Finally, Mia and Izzy discuss AARMY, the fitness studio where we met and found our current team, and how coaching hits as an adult. Chapters 00:00 Intro (We Tried) 01:08 Do It Tired: A Pep Talk in the Lab 04:44 Visualization 07:06 Rivals, All-Arounders, and Loving the Spotlight 11:39 The Penalty Kick: From Viral Loss to State Champs 17:00 Athletic Mindset vs. NARPs 18:31 Trash Talk: Soccer vs. Gymnastics 26:04 AArmy: Finding a Team After Sport 35:37 A Surprise Unboxing 37:34 Coachability 39:40 The Silent Work: Training Through Pregnancy and Postpartum 41:45 Coming Soon: PCOS and CTE 43:37 Hank

  4. Oct 14

    Wiz Khalifa's Running Journey (plus the Pain Cave, PCOS, & Slim Thicc)

    Episode 6: Wiz, Hit Us Up (Plus the Pain Cave, PCOS, and Slim Thicc) We're back on our BS and heads up: a storm rolled in, so expect a few more glitches than usual. WORTH IT though. Izzy and Mia step into the pain cave together to unpack their relationship with pain, injury, and “if you have a body, you’re competing.” Then Mia goes full scientist on PCOS/PMOS in athletes, the vitamin A supplement Izzy’s been taking, and how much of the supplement aisle is science vs. marketing. We close out with Wiz Khalifa’s rapper-to-runner arc and an emergency lesson for Mia on what slim thicc means. P.S. Izzy is ALLEGEDLY off melatonin… Chapters 00:39 — Intro 01:10 — Welcome to the Pain Cave 01:41 — "If You Have a Body, You're Competing" 07:25 — Why We Go Hard Every Time 11:23 — If You’re Not Sore, Did You Even Work Out? 13:22 — PCOS, PMOS, and Athletes 17:48 — ClearSTEM and Izzy's Liver 24:37 — Supplements: Science or Marketing? 31:18 — The Melatonin Intervention 32:44 — Looking Too Young at Work 34:20 — Wiz Khalifa's Running Journey 36:13 — Skinny Swole and Slim Thicc 39:17 — Episode Recap

  5. Oct 7

    The Mia Interview

    Episode 5: The Mia Interview Izzy interviews our resident scientist about her entire athletic journey. It starts with a 4-year-old leaping off the car roof into her dad's arms and runs through Level 10, Yale gymnastics, and her current life balancing a PhD and her young family. We get into the gymnastics lesson that set her up for science, the identity crisis, and raising kids without "manufacturing the struggle." She throws some reluctant love to THE NARP in her life as well…  *Content warning: this episode includes discussion of depression, anxiety, and eating disorders.* Chapters: 00:23 — Intro: Interviewing Our Co-Host 01:20 — Immigrant Family Roots & Moving to Nashville 02:47 — How Gymnastics Became a Family Sport 05:06 — Olympic Dreams at Age 7 06:43 — Moving for the Sport & 40-Hour Training Weeks 09:58 — Mom the Hype Woman, Dad the Hardest Worker in the Room 14:36 — Learning How to Fall: Gymnastics → Science 18:09 — Recruitment, Injuries, & Choosing Yale 24:21 — "Yale Rocked Me" 31:50 — The Last Day & The Identity Crisis 35:19 — Med School vs. Falling in Love With Research 40:29 — Ed, the NARP Husband 43:30 — Parenting & How Hard to Push 46:08 — A Message From Coach Kwon

  6. Sep 30

    THE Identity Crisis

    THE Identity Crisis TW: This episode discusses depression, disordered eating, and substance use in the context of retired athletes. Take care of yourself, and reach out for support if you need it. Izzy and Mia go back in time to unpack the identity crisis that hits almost every athlete after their sport ends: the withdrawal, the depression, the "who am I now" spiral nobody talks about. Mia brings the peer-reviewed data. This one gets personal, informative, and ends with our classic chaos. ENJOY.  Chapters: 00:23 — Intro 02:16 — Types of Retirement + Rebuilding Your Identity After Sport 03:28 — Izzy's COVID-Forced Retirement 06:21 — The Science: What Forced Retirement Does to Athletes' Mental Health 07:45 — Mia's Retirement Depression 08:52 — Chasing the High: Dopamine + Epigenetics  14:19 — Shoving It Down: Izzy's Retirement  17:16 — The Stats: Depression Rates in Retired NFL, NBA & Soccer Players 19:02 — Speaking To Young Mia, Young Izzy, and Anyone Else Facing Sports Retirement  21:48 — Mia's 100-Routines-in-a-Row 27:00 — FULL Tangent: Retinol + the Collagen Meta-Analysis Redux 32:03 — Izzy Gaming the Baseline Test 34:47 — Mia's Plantar Fasciitis 37:30 — Reclaiming the Toxicity 40:20 — Team Accountability Sources: Dopamine genetics & epigenetics Humińska-Lisowska, K., et al. (2023). Epigenetic Analysis of the Dopamine Transporter Gene DAT1 with a Focus on Personality Traits in Athletes. Int J Mol Sci. DOI: 10.3390/ijms24108931Michałowska-Sawczyn, M., et al. (2024). Association Analysis of the Dopaminergic Receptor 2 Gene Tag1B rs1079597 and Personality Traits Among a Cohort of Professional Athletes. Biol Sport. DOI: 10.5114/biolsport.2025.139470Dopamine & training intensity Boecker, H., et al. (2024). Fractional Amplitude of Low-Frequency Fluctuations Associated with Endocannabinoid, µ-Opioid and Dopamine Receptor Distributions after High-Intensity Exercise Bouts. Front Neuroimaging. DOI: 10.3389/fnimg.2024.1332384Dopamine & burnout/stress Cai, C., et al. (2025). From adversity to adaptation: the struggle between resilience and athlete burnout in stressful situations. Front Psychol. DOI: 10.3389/fpsyg.2025.1578198Baik, J-H. (2020). Stress and the dopaminergic reward system. Exp Mol Med. DOI: 10.1038/s12276-020-00532-4Retirement & identity transition Mannes, Z-L., et al. (2018). Prevalence and Correlates of Psychological Distress among Retired Elite Athletes: A Systematic Review. PMC.Voorheis, P., et al. (2023). Adaptation to life after sport for retired athletes: A scoping review of existing reviews and programs. PLOS ONE. DOI: 10.1371/journal.pone.0291683Collagen Myung, S-K., & Park, Y. (2025). Effects of Collagen Supplements on Skin Aging: A Systematic Review and Meta-Analysis of Randomized Controlled Trials. Am J Med. DOI: 10.1016/j.amjmed.2025.04.034Smith, L., et al. (2026). Collagen Supplementation for Skin and Musculoskeletal Health: An Umbrella Review of Meta-Analyses on Elasticity, Hydration, and Structural Outcomes. Aesthet Surg J Open Forum. DOI: 10.1093/asjof/ojag018A note on the research: the genetics/epigenetics studies show correlation, not causation, and the training-intensity study isn't a controlled experiment. The collagen debate hinges on how Myung & Park grouped trials by industry funding, which GROW (Gelatin Manufacturers of the World) and Collagen Stewardship Alliance dispute. We're sharing what the data shows, not overstating it.

  7. Sep 23

    The Izzy Interview

    The Izzy Interview It's Izzy's 27th birthday, so we're flipping the format: Mia sits down to interrogate our fearless leader on her entire athletic journey. From an anxious 8-year-old hiding in a bathroom stall at tryouts to a D1 career at Hawaii cut short by COVID.. We cover everything she's carried from soccer into this phase of life… Some love from Patty (Izzy’s mom) included! Chapters: 00:24 — Intro: Celebrating Izzy's 27th  02:03 — Deutsch Family Sports Culture 04:03 — The Bathroom-Hiding Tryout Story 06:04 — Perfectionism and The Pressure to Be Good at Everything 09:32 — Training Schedule Breakdown +Her Unicorn Club Team 13:46 — Private Training and Izzy’s Forever Intensity  18:20 — Recruitment & Choosing Hawaii 20:26 — Breakout Junior Year & COVID 22:00 — The Identity Crisis  26:23 — Channeling Intensity Into Work 29:24 — Why Harsh Feedback Still Works 35:21 — Finding Passion in Entrepreneurship 36:32 — Making Peace With the Journey

  8. Sep 16

    One night with Flo Rida (plus Sardines, PRPs, and Running)

    One night with Flo Rida (Plus Sardines, PRPs, and Running) Hold on, team, because this one is a bit of a wild ride. Join Izzy and Mia for their FIRST EVER in-person Head-to-Head..recapping a weekend of World Cup finals, a full sardine obsession arc, a Flo Rida–DJ Khaled fever dream, and one very Not So Washed Up wedding. P.S. Mia is starting a running journey. WATCH THIS SPACE.  Chapters 00:23 — Intro 01:30 — Izzy's NYC Moving Saga  03:32 — World Cup Fever 04:37 — Weekend Recap Kicks Off 05:34 — Sardines… 12:52 — Izzy’s Saturday Night 20:38 — The Great Sweat Debate 22:46 —The Legendary "PRP" 24:17 — Mia Thinks She’s A Matchmaker 25:54 — YGT + LMNT + Tequila = Perfection 27:17 — Mia’s New Running Era 29:08 — Soccer vs. Gymnastics: Fast-Twitch vs. Endurance 30:56 — Episode Recap

  9. Sep 9

    Welcome To Not So Washed Up

    Welcome to the Pod Izzy (former D1 soccer player) and Mia (former gymnast) launch Not So Washed Up, a show for former athletes navigating life, identity, and detecting wellness BS after sport. In this debut episode, they share how they met, the injuries that bonded them, and what's coming next. Chapters 00:00 — Cold Open/Clap-sync chaos 00:27 — Introducing Not So Washed Up 01:04 — AARMY Photoshoot Origin Story (how Izzy and Mia met) 03:35 — The Injuries That Brought Them Together 06:16 — Life After Sport & NARPs 08:26 — The Show's Real Mission 14:41 — What Izzy & Mia Do Now 18:24 — Cutting through marketing vs. real science (peptides, wellness trends) 19:36 — What's Coming (starring special guest, Howie). 25:46 — A beloved NARP's first workout 27:55 — Closing & Sign-Off

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Welcome to Not So Washed Up. The podcast for former athletes, high performers, and anyone who’s carried the discipline, resilience, and competitive mindset of sports into life beyond the game — where former athletes are forced to redefine success once the scoreboard disappears. Hosted by two former Division I athletes turned professionals and founders. We are navigating the chaos of ambition, wellness, relationships, career pressure, and personal growth — this show is about what happens when the game ends… but your drive doesn’t. Every week, we sit down with elite performers — from every industry — to unpack the mindset, discipline, failures, and habits that actually translate from sports into real life. Because the truth is: Most people stop competing. We just changed arenas. This is Not So Washed Up.

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  • Creator
    Isabel Deutsch & Mia Yabut
  • Years Active
    2026
  • Episodes
    9
  • Rating
    Explicit
  • Copyright
    © 2026 Isabel Deutsch & Mia Yabut
  • Show Website
    Not So Washed Up

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