Expiry Date Never - a Next-Up Podcast

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Age is the new superpower. Victoria Tomlinson, ceo Next-Up and author of Expiry Date Never talks to the people changing how business thinks about experience, talent and the workforce over 50. expirydatenever.co.uk

Episodes

  1. Nov 2

    Louise Ballard: AI doesn’t know what good looks like. You do.

    AI wants to please you. It sounds sure of itself. And it’s often wrong. Louise Ballard explains why that makes experience more valuable, not less. Most firms treat AI as a tech rollout: hand out licences, run a course, hope for the best. The real work is changing how teams work, and that’s about people, not tech. Plus her advice for anyone 50+ who wants to be the AI expert at work and the one question to ask AI tomorrow morning. About Louise Louise wrote the AI chapters of Expiry Date Never, making the case that experienced professionals become more relevant as AI scales, not less. She was one of the FT’s Working It AI experts in 2025 and speaks regularly on AI transformation. At 52 she co-founded Atheni.ai, which combines human coaching with an AI platform to support every person in an organisation through AI adoption. She works with organisations where the tools exist but the work hasn’t changed, helping teams move from curiosity to confidence. Expiry Date Never is the podcast from Victoria Tomlinson and her co-author Louise Ballard's book of the same name (Pearson, September 2026), making the case that the 50+ generation is an under-used advantage for business, not a problem to manage.   This podcast builds on Rethink Retirement - listen to the original series here.   Find out more about Louise Ballard Louise Ballard (Moody) | LinkedIn Atheni - AI adoption for teams, built around real work

    Louise Ballard: AI doesn’t know what good looks like. You do.

  2. Oct 20

    Lucy Adams pushes back on the idea that Age is the New Superpower

    Lucy Adams is the CEO of Disruptive HR, an agency dedicated to challenging conventional practices, reimagining HR strategies, and inspiring leaders and HR professionals to bring fresh vision and energy to their roles. With a wealth of experience in senior HR positions, including serving as Director of HR at the BBC, Lucy is not only one of the leading thinkers in HR, but also a bestselling author of HR Disrupted and The HR Change Toolkit. Victoria’s book, Expiry Date Never, says age is the new superpower. Lucy Adams, former BBC HR Director and founder of Disruptive HR, came on to test that. She doesn’t hold back. She challenges Victoria about the 50+ generation for their ego, lack of curiosity and why “diversity” on a board isn’t enough. She also explains why AI could put experienced people back in demand. Lucy’s new book, Influential HR, is out on 24 November. Expiry Date Never is the podcast from Victoria Tomlinson and her co-author Louise Ballard's book of the same name (Pearson, September 2026), making the case that the 50+ generation is an under-used advantage for business, not a problem to manage.   This podcast builds on Rethink Retirement - listen to the original series here.   Find out more about Lucy Adams Lucy Adams | LinkedIn Home - Disruptive HR HR Disrupted: It’s time for something different (2nd Edition)

    Lucy Adams pushes back on the idea that Age is the New Superpower

  3. Sep 16

    Annie Coleman - Longevity, Work and the Case for Age as an Advantage

    Annie Coleman is Global Ambassador for Stanford University's Center on Longevity and Founder of RealiseLongevity, where she works with boards, chairs and CEOs to reframe corporate strategy, risk and human capital through the lens of longer lives. She's also the founder of Age Rebels, a movement exposing the design flaw at the heart of modern life - systems built for shorter lives that no longer serve the longer ones we're living. Before this, Annie spent over 40 years in senior leadership roles across global financial services, including as Chief Human Resources Officer at UniCredit, and senior roles at UBS and Goldman Sachs. She sits on the International Advisory Board for the Center on Longevity Leadership at Católica Lisbon School of Business and Economics, is a Non-Executive Director of Strategic Equity Capital plc, and a Trustee of Lyme Arts Community Trust.   In this episode, Victoria Tomlinson talks to Annie about what longer lives mean for business, why so many employers still overlook people after 50, and what needs to change. They explore the business case for age-diverse workforces, Annie’s Purpose Portfolio framework and what business leaders can start doing differently, starting now.   Expiry Date Never is the podcast from Victoria Tomlinson and her co-author Louise Ballard's book of the same name (Pearson, September 2026), making the case that the 50+ generation is an under-used advantage for business, not a problem to manage.   This podcast builds on Rethink Retirement - listen to the original series here.   Find out more about Annie Coleman. Annie Coleman | LinkedIn Realise Longevity | Embrace the Future Today Home - Stanford Center on Longevity

    Annie Coleman - Longevity, Work and the Case for Age as an Advantage

  4. Sep 4

    Michael Clinton — Publishing, Reinvention and the Case for Age as a Superpower

    Michael Clinton spent 23 years at Hearst Magazines - home to titles including Cosmopolitan, ELLE, Harper's Bazaar and Esquire - rising to President and Publishing Director and taking the business from print into a social following of over 32 million. Since leaving Hearst, he's founded ROAR Forward, a media and insights platform focused on the 50+ generation, and written ROAR: Into the Second Half of Your Life and his forthcoming book, Longevity Nation (Atria Books, May 2026). He sits on the board of The Stanford Center on Longevity and was named to Estée Lauder's inaugural Longevity Collective in 2023. In this episode, Victoria Tomlinson talks to Michael about what his years at Hearst taught him about who publishing has - and hasn't - served, how the 50+ market breaks down into very different life stages, where he sees publishing heading next and how ROAR Forward has developed since launch. Expiry Date Never is the podcast from Victoria Tomlinson's book of the same name (Pearson, September 2026), making the case that the 50+ generation is an under-used advantage for business, not a problem to manage. This podcast builds on Rethink Retirement - listen to the original series here

    Michael Clinton — Publishing, Reinvention and the Case for Age as a Superpower

  5. Aug 13

    The Handover: 35 Conversations, One New Beginning - guest Trevor Hatton

    After 35 episodes and three and a half years of exploring life beyond traditional retirement, Victoria Tomlinson and Trevor Hatton sit down for their most personal conversation yet. Together they reflect on the guests, insights and unexpected lessons that shaped Rethink Retirement, before looking ahead to a much bigger question: what does it mean to live 20 or 30 years longer than previous generations? A warm, honest and sometimes emotional conversation about purpose, longevity, reinvention and the future. And a fitting handover from one chapter to the next.   This podcast builds on Rethink Retirement - listen to the original series here

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Age is the new superpower. Victoria Tomlinson, ceo Next-Up and author of Expiry Date Never talks to the people changing how business thinks about experience, talent and the workforce over 50. expirydatenever.co.uk

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