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Recorded conversations from the LayerTwo Labs Spaces series about Bitcoin, Drivechain, sidechains, and related research.

  1. Sep 14

    What Is Pleb Slop? Bitcoin's Media and Lightning Wars | L2L Spaces | 2025-10-31

    Paul Sztorc, Michael Tidwell, Richard Greaser of Bugle News, and Rod Palmer debate what pleb slop means. The Bugle crew says it is not simply low-effort humor but the flood of predictable, low-self-awareness content that dominates Bitcoin media and turns plebs into an activated marketing base. They distinguish harmless pleb slop from weaponized pleb slop and argue that the audience is repeatedly funneled away from technical understanding. The group uses that frame to revisit the Bitcoin Standard, Austrian economics, Ordinals, Lightning, Michael Saylor, Treasury companies, What Bitcoin Did, and sound-money slogans. Paul connects the phenomenon to Lightning's custodial drift, Taproot's key-path requirement, the decline of technical novelty, and the media incentives that reward simple narratives. The conversation also touches on TABConf, self-awareness, humor, and the difference between slop, dev slop, and maliciously weaponized content. Chapters 00:00:00 Opening and guest waiting room 00:04:37 What is the point of Bugle News? 00:09:00 Pleb slop history and observation 00:11:27 Vegas, attention, and low-effort media 00:15:29 Defining pleb slop 00:18:33 Decentralized meme, pejorative or not 00:21:09 Weaponized pleb slop 00:27:10 Austrian economics and the Bitcoin Standard 00:50:08 Ordinals: slop or gateway? 00:52:47 Lightning: technology versus narrative 01:00:49 Michael Saylor and Treasury companies 01:02:23 Audience capture and critical thinking 01:03:41 Treasury companies and sub-slop 01:09:19 What Bitcoin Did and the funnel 01:14:57 Sound money and Tether 01:41:03 Closing, TABConf, and Bugle News Recording details Original Space title: L2L X Spaces: What is Pleb Slop? w/ Mike Tidwell & BTC Bugle Host @LayerTwoLabs — LayerTwo Labs Speakers @Truthcoin — Paul Sztorc @miketwenty1 — Michael Tidwell @GreaserRichard — Richard 'Dick' Greaser 40HPW 📯 🏴 (Bugle.News) @rodpalmerhodl — Rod Palmer 🟥 Original recording https://x.com/i/spaces/1yNGabAkRXlJj Part 2: Host @LayerTwoLabs — LayerTwo Labs Speakers @Truthcoin — Paul Sztorc @miketwenty1 — Michael Tidwell @PortlandHODL — Portland.HODL @rodpalmerhodl — Rod Palmer 🟥 @GreaserRichard — Richard 'Dick' Greaser 40HPW 📯 🏴 (Bugle.News) @tabconf — TABConf 8 - Oct 12-15, 2026, Atlanta @hathbtc — Hath 🏜️ 🦧 ₿ ⚡️ 🚀 @chnessGame — JK @CESTBON_LSU — RobicheauxKnows @marsspitsbarz — MARS SPITS BARS 🟥 Original recording https://x.com/i/spaces/1PlJQOkNvPkKE Speaker credits reflect the saved recording metadata and may not include everyone who joined.

  2. Sep 14

    Quantum Computing: Bitcoin's Bane or a VC Narrative? | L2L Spaces | 2025-07-25

    Isabel Foxen Duke moderates a quantum-computing debate with Robin Linus, Hunter Beast, Ethan Heilman, Rearden, and Jameson Lopp. Robin rates the current threat at zero: quantum computers have not demonstrated useful computation, Shor's algorithm remains impractical, and error-correction advances have not yet produced scaling. Hunter says Bitcoiners need not panic today but should have a credible post-quantum plan, while Ethan argues for mitigation as risk reduction and a way to avoid a panic-driven emergency fork. Rearden is skeptical that the threat exists but supports BIP 360 as optional pay-to-taproot-hash functionality. Jameson rates the ecosystem risk around seven because Bitcoin's slow governance and migration coordination may be more dangerous than the hardware itself. Martin Shkreli later joins as a quantum bear, arguing classical math or AI may threaten ECDSA before quantum does. The panel debates Moore's law, harvest-now-decrypt-later, Taproot and P2PK exposure, coin confiscation, and whether Satoshi's coins should be burned. Chapters 00:00:00 Opening and panel introductions 00:02:13 Panel ratings on the quantum threat 00:02:46 Robin rates the threat at zero 00:04:05 Hunter's short- and long-term view 00:07:42 Ethan argues for mitigation 00:09:18 Rearden's skeptical case 00:12:47 Jameson rates ecosystem risk 00:16:01 Risks of being wrong either way 00:20:55 Moore's law and gradual-then-sudden risk 00:26:44 Hardware, software, and error correction 00:32:43 Harvest-now-decrypt-later skepticism 00:35:51 Quantum supremacy debate 00:41:37 Risks of post-quantum migration 00:56:25 Martin Shkreli joins 01:06:53 Classical math and AI as the bigger threat 01:11:36 AI, math, and ECDSA 01:18:10 Canary coins and Satoshi's holdings 01:25:46 Why quantum stocks are bubbling 01:26:36 Final thoughts on waiting versus preparing 01:34:10 Closing and future spaces Recording details Original Space title: Quantum Computing: BTC's Bane or VC Vector? Host @andurobtc — Anduro Speakers @LayerTwoLabs — LayerTwo Labs @lopp — Jameson Lopp @Truthcoin — Paul Sztorc @cryptoquick — Hunter Beast 🕯️ @robin_linus — Robin Linus @isabelfoxenduke — Isabel Foxen Duke⚡️ @MartinShkreli — Martin Shkreli @ercwl — Eric Wall @reardencode — Rearden 🛩️ BIP448 🥖 fork/acc @Ethan_Heilman — Ethan ✨ is on BlueSky✨ Heilman 🐱 Original recording https://x.com/i/spaces/1ZkJzYjXpeDGv Speaker credits reflect the saved recording metadata and may not include everyone who joined.

  3. Sep 14

    Bitcoin Miners, the EIA Survey, and the L2 Debate | L2L Spaces | 2024-02-16

    Nick Hanson of Luxor, Will Foxley of The Mining Pod, Brian Rudick of GSR, and later James McAvity join the Mining Pod takeover. The group debates what counts as a Bitcoin L2 and whether rollups really add scaling or just throughput. Will argues most current L2 projects are LARPs without a trustless exit or a consensus change, while Nick points to Babylon, Botanix's Spiderchain, and BitVM-based Citrea as the more interesting experiments. The conversation then turns to the U.S. Energy Information Administration's compulsory mining survey: miners describe the short compliance deadline, privacy concerns, legal challenges, and suspicion that the request is political and aimed at a punitive electricity tax. The final section digs into zero-knowledge proving costs, Citrea's cycle requirements, and why a trustless way to move Bitcoin between L1 and L2 remains the key missing primitive. Chapters 00:00:00 Opening and introductions 00:08:04 Nick Hanson of Luxor 00:09:31 Will Foxley of The Mining Pod 00:10:36 Brian Rudick of GSR 00:14:49 The L2 LARP thesis 00:18:13 Defining a Bitcoin L2 00:22:13 Brian explains rollups 00:26:34 The EIA mining survey 00:29:24 James McAvity joins 00:32:34 EIA as a political and legal fight 00:39:13 Babylon, Botanix, and promising L2s 00:42:29 Why not bridge to Ethereum or Solana? 00:46:06 BitVM and trustless peg skepticism 00:47:05 Citrea and the Super Testnet dispute 00:48:36 Zero-knowledge proving economics 00:50:50 SHA-256 versus useful computation 00:57:52 Closing and next steps Recording details Original Space title: L2L Spaces Mining Pod Takeover Host @LayerTwoLabs — LayerTwo Labs Speakers @hash_bender — NickH @wsfoxley — Will Foxley @jamesmcavity — James McAvity @BTCismoney — Austin E. Alexander @thetinyant — Brian Rudick Original recording https://x.com/i/spaces/1jMJgmyjPmPKL Speaker credits reflect the saved recording metadata and may not include everyone who joined.

  4. Sep 14

    Citrea BitVM Debate, Rollup Trust, and Wrapping Bitcoin Core | L2L Spaces | 2024-02-09

    This LayerTwo Labs Space opens as a Citrea confrontation after Super Testnet called the project a scam. Orkun of Chainway Labs describes a Turkey-based team that moved from a client-side validated design to a BitVM-backed ZK rollup that inscribes state diffs on Bitcoin and verified Groth16 in BitVM. Super Testnet retracts the charge after accepting that ZK-proven execution plus a BitVM verifier already exist, while still criticizing Bitcoin as a data dump. Eric Wall defines a rollup as L1 data plus off-chain execution and argues BitVM bridges are 1-of-n, not classical rollups. After a restart, Super Testnet outlines Unisob, a BitVM-bridge model with unilateral exit, and Orkun hopes for an April or May public testnet. Later listeners reconstruct sovereign rollups versus Validium, walk through Citrea sequencer schematics, and debate Drivechain, Spacechain, and whether Bitcoin needs Venmo-cheap payments. Paul Sztorc sketches wrapping unmodified Bitcoin Core with BIP 300 and Utreexo plugins, discusses Foundry KYC, and closes with Robin Linus on ZeroSync, cheap full validation, Bitcoin Kernel, and RISC-0. Chapters 00:00:00 Opening the Citrea Thunderdome Space 00:02:13 Super Testnet Retracts the Scam Charge 00:03:48 Does Citrea Already Settle on Bitcoin? 00:07:55 From CSV Protocol to BitVM Rollup 00:12:56 Apology After the BitVM Verifier 00:14:55 State Diffs Posted on Bitcoin 00:20:30 Eric Wall Defines a Rollup 00:26:08 BitVM 1-of-n Is Not a Strict Rollup 00:35:36 Unilateral Exit Versus Scale 00:52:02 Space Restarted After Disconnects 01:00:28 Unisob BitVM Bridge With Unilateral Exit 01:15:51 BitVM Disputes and Groth16 Cycles 01:21:10 Public Testnet Hoped for April or May 01:33:27 Reconstructing Eric's Rollup Remarks 01:35:21 Sovereign Rollup Plus a BitVM Bridge 01:42:51 Coin Witness as SPV, Not Scaling 01:48:51 Citrea Sequencer and Peg Schematics 01:52:26 State Diffs Versus ZKP Validity 01:58:24 Recursive Inscriptions and L2 Block Demand 02:01:31 Venmo-Cheap Payments or No Network Effect 02:04:07 Spacechain Cannot Withdraw for Markets 02:07:34 Vlad on Introducing Orkun 02:11:52 ZKP Receipts Versus Sidechain Oracles 02:14:34 BitVM as a 1-of-n ZKP Emulator 02:22:53 BIP 300 Without a Core Pull Request 02:27:39 ZK Proofs as a Non-Problem 02:39:09 ZK L2s Versus Drivechain Pegs 02:46:44 UTXO Growth and Inscription Fees 02:57:54 Spiderchain and No-Fork L2s 03:00:34 Core GitHub Versus Useful Soft Forks 03:11:16 Wrapping Unmodified Bitcoin Core 03:14:32 Stop Bashing Lightning 03:31:52 Lightning Is on Mainnet; Drivechain Is Not 03:35:30 Testnet Launcher and Wrapping Client 03:40:59 Optional BIP 300 and Utreexo Plugins 03:47:02 Foundry, Antpool, and KYC Pools 03:59:46 Robin Linus Joins on ZeroSync 04:02:03 ZKPs to Scale Full Validation onto Phones 04:10:12 Bitcoin Kernel and RISC-0 04:11:37 Close After Four Hours Recording details Original Space title: L2L Spaces - Super Testnet: Citrea "not a scam" Host @LayerTwoLabs — LayerTwo Labs Speakers @Truthcoin — Paul Sztorc @kelo6102 — kelo @0x_orkun — orkun 🍊🍋 @skydogenet — Skydoge @ercwl — Eric Wall Original recording https://x.com/i/spaces/1BdGYrXvlNoJX Part 2: Host @Truthcoin — Paul Sztorc Speakers @Vladcostea — VLAD HOSTS THE BEST PODCAST IN BITCOIN @LayerTwoLabs — LayerTwo Labs @david_seroy — David Seroy 🏔️ @kelo6102 — kelo @oflowshow — Oflow @0x_orkun — orkun 🍊🍋 @robin_linus — Robin Linus @ercwl — Eric Wall @feliberti20 — Mad Mining Ventures @alexkravets — Alex Kravets Original recording https://x.com/i/spaces/1vOxwjPVewLJB Speaker credits reflect the saved recording metadata and may not include everyone who joined.

  5. Sep 14

    BitVM, Lightning's Limits, and Quantum Fears With Robin Linus | L2L Spaces | 2024-01-26

    Robin Linus returns to talk through BitVM's first release: a toy version promised within days, built on a RISC-V virtual machine, with a federation whose single operator risks slashing and a JavaScript prototype destined for a Rust rewrite. Paul Sztorc presses on the things BitVM is meant to make unnecessary — Michael Folkson's pull request and UTXO pollution, the politics that drive careful developers away, and Lightning, where HTLC enforcement and channel opens force large amounts of capital to be committed before a pool can pay a miner. The two sketch how payments might route between a handful of large sidechains through the main Lightning network, and moonsettler and bitcode argue over bridges, mempool filters, and whether virtual machines belong in a peer-to-peer system. The second hour covers quantum attacks on signatures, fungal data on chain, and the test sidechains already running. Chapters 00:00:00 Opening: what BitVM still needs before release 00:03:01 A RISC-V virtual machine instead of a Game Boy emulator 00:04:08 Federation, operator, collateral, and slashing 00:07:43 JavaScript prototype now, Rust later 00:08:48 UTXO pollution and the pull request fight 00:11:25 Politics drives away the developers who know best 00:15:21 Error correction, sidechains, and accountability 00:25:21 The exit assumption behind L2 security 00:28:14 Lightning's small size and its five LSPs 00:33:36 Attacking Lightning channels one at a time 00:38:04 Ocean's payouts and the cost of Lightning onboarding 00:47:20 Lightning as glue between many L2s 00:53:51 Ad hoc channels for cross-chain payments 00:59:01 Envelope math for a handful of payment chains 01:03:59 Gavin Andresen and the missing block-size rationale 01:06:15 Routing through the main Lightning network 01:12:26 Moonsettler on bridges and trampoline routing 01:15:41 Moonsettler on Twitter despair and a CTV tutorial 01:18:06 A caller argues virtual machines and APIs are not peer-to-peer 01:29:58 A lean main chain, sidechains, and data security 01:36:03 Quantum computing versus Bitcoin's signatures 01:46:32 Fungal data, Namecoin identity, and branding 01:58:19 The sidechains already available to try 02:01:28 Closing the second hour Recording details Original Space title: L2L Spaces w/ Paul Sztorc and Robin Linus #Drivechain #BitVM Host @LayerTwoLabs — LayerTwo Labs Speakers @Truthcoin — Paul Sztorc @waltjsmith — walter james smith @robin_linus — Robin Linus @4moonsettler — moonsettler 🥪 CTV / LNHANCE 🔥! @NODEfather — Morgan Rockwell 🍄 Original recording https://x.com/i/spaces/1kvJpvldkqgKE Speaker credits reflect the saved recording metadata and may not include everyone who joined.

  6. Sep 14

    Soft Fork Myths and a BIP 300 Signet, With Udi Wertheimer | L2L Spaces | 2024-01-05

    Paul Sztorc hosts a Friday hangout with Udi Wertheimer on stage, opening on the week's two stories: the spot ETF and a strong run for ordinals, with BlackRock's unilateral-fork wording read as ordinary legal leeway rather than a rug risk. Paul then spends much of the hour arguing that the belief that soft forks require consensus was never true, tracing the 2012 invention of the soft fork, the Polish-veto problem of letting any one percent block everything, the twenty months SegWit took against Taproot's forty-six, and mining pools whose hashers never knew what they were signaling. He also announces a global signet testnet for BIP 300 with a Zcash sidechain, revisits Luke Dashjr's miner skepticism, explains why Zaps are not really Lightning, and closes on a 'Core Untouched Soft Fork' in which a CTV module runs beside Bitcoin Core. Chapters 00:00:00 Friday hangout opening 00:03:22 The week's two stories: the ETF and ordinals 00:06:31 Announcing the BIP 300 global signet testnet 00:07:38 The claim that soft forks require consensus 00:10:09 The Polish veto and the one-percent blocker 00:11:30 SegWit, Taproot, and the apathy problem 00:13:24 Hashrate supermajorities and BIP 66 00:15:57 Soft fork eras: seven in year one, nine before 2016 00:18:31 SegWit's 20 months and Taproot's 46 00:20:39 Adam Back as Drivechain's most vocal supporter 00:29:03 The replicators bit: fake accounts and gray spaces 00:36:35 Closeted ordinals collectors 00:39:32 How to write a great tweet 00:41:43 Nostr, network effects, and Fiatjaf 00:46:40 Zaps, few LSPs, and reputation-based forwarding 00:48:00 Audience question: ordinals and fees in a bull run 00:49:57 When adoption happens: after the bull ends 00:52:14 Luke Dashjr's stance on Drivechain 00:55:11 The Core Untouched Soft Fork 00:57:43 Last questions and closing Recording details Original Space title: L2L Spaces - Spamming The Blockchain Edition w/ Udi Wertheimer Host @LayerTwoLabs — LayerTwo Labs Speakers @ICOffenderII — yellow.🍌🍞 @udiWertheimer — Udi Wertheimer @Truthcoin — Paul Sztorc @shu_bit_ — shubit @zk_bits — bit @0xTula — Tula 🧙🏻‍♂️ Original recording https://x.com/i/spaces/1LyxBnYrXDkxN Speaker credits reflect the saved recording metadata and may not include everyone who joined.

  7. Sep 14

    Miners, CTV, and Drivechain With Paul Sztorc and James McAvity | L2L Spaces | 2023-12-22

    Paul Sztorc and James McAvity open a LayerTwo Labs Space on CTV, arguing that Jeremy Rubin's treatment shows Bitcoin's soft-fork process is broken, then walk through batched-payout covenants, onboarding limits, and vaults. James, speaking as a miner, says public Western firms now dominate hash rate, pools rather than hashers set templates, and Peter Todd's solar-decentralization critique ignores seven-figure scale. After BIP16/P2SH history and a Lightning fee-revenue debate, a listener asks how sidechains could proceed without Bitcoin Core merges; Paul sketches a filter tray on unmodified Bitcoin Core that would enforce BIP 300. James leaves, then Paul walks RJ through Drivechain deposits, three-month withdrawals versus swaps, and why Lightning is a poor L2. Mark asks about BitVM and MEV; moonsettler recounts a CTV activation chat, a speedy-trial client, and Luke Dashjr's axioms. The Space closes on shrinking L1 blocks, BIP 8 versus BIP 9, and holiday wishes. Chapters 00:00:00 Friday greetings and year-end sprint 00:02:19 CTV as a smoking gun for a broken process 00:03:49 How Check Template Verify actually works 00:06:07 Onboarding limits, ARK, and vaults 00:10:22 Why the soft-fork process is broken 00:13:31 Scaling-war trauma and miner review 00:16:30 Public miners and Western hash rate 00:24:51 Jeremy Rubin and hanging developers out to dry 00:32:52 Shareholder votes at Riot and Marathon 00:41:01 BIP16, P2SH, and a rushed flag day 00:44:58 Drivechain as a mining-incentive third rail 00:46:33 Mining scale versus Peter Todd 00:54:44 BIP 300 and miner verification costs 00:58:37 Lightning fees on What Bitcoin Did 01:06:49 Julian on boards and public-miner governance 01:14:08 Satoshi's unused opcodes for upgrades 01:18:43 Filter-tray activation without Bitcoin Core 01:29:02 James leaves; UBI and fertility 01:32:00 Klaus on Chia, GLS, and Bram Cohen 01:34:12 Pierre on MEV and software for miners 01:41:38 RJ and the Drivechain peg 01:49:30 Three-month withdrawals versus swaps 02:03:22 Ordinals, Lightning, and Drivechain as L2 02:07:41 moonsettler's CTV message of hope 02:11:13 Drivechain as a philosophical change 02:14:35 BitVM, Robin Linus, and the MEV critique 02:20:38 UAIA on money, currency, and gold-purity Bitcoin 02:45:20 Do L2s and Liquid get a pass on tokens? 02:55:33 moonsettler on P2SH, ordinals, and CTV 03:04:21 Why shrink L1 if users live on L2s 03:09:46 BIP 9, BIP 8, and miner signaling 03:19:36 51% versus 90%, then Christmas close Recording details Original Space title: Drivechain Talk with Paul Sztorc and James McAvity | #Bitcoin Mining 🎄 Host @LayerTwoLabs — LayerTwo Labs Speakers @haight6716 — Julian Haight @PakoVM @Truthcoin — Paul Sztorc @Klaus68195964 — 🌱Klaus @jamesmcavity — James McAvity @4moonsettler — moonsettler 🥪 CTV / LNHANCE 🔥! @hamsterBTConly — The Hamster wheel of debt slavery @rj_26_10 — rj @dallasirushing — Dallas Rushing Original recording https://x.com/i/spaces/1RDGllboQRdGL Speaker credits reflect the saved recording metadata and may not include everyone who joined.

  8. Sep 14

    Drivechain Talk with Paul Sztorc and Rootstock's Sergio Lerner | L2L Spaces | 2023-12-15

    Paul Sztorc waits through Christmas music for Sergio Lerner, then they talk Argentina's new government, Lemon Wallet adoption, and financial inclusion as a sidechain use case. Sergio traces the stalled 2015 Blockstream sidechain paper to Drivechain as, in his view, the only theoretically workable decentralized peg, and argues that without sidechains Bitcoin becomes an expensive settlement network for large holders. They separate BIP 300 from BIP 301, argue against miner-node criticism associated with Peter Todd, and discuss MEV, Sergio's unpublished BitChain bidding chain, and hashrate escrows as a failsafe over federated pegs. After a question on whether Rootstock would become a drivechain, listeners raise identity and BitNames, a Zcash-fork sidechain, and forking Drivechain itself. Once Sergio leaves, the room covers a signet build, RGB versus Lightning, home mining, BitVM workarounds versus opt-in soft forks, Taproot and BIP 119 politics, and whether mining pools could activate upgrades. It ends with an Avalanche-fork hypothetical, Bitcoin Cash naming, and a pointer to the LayerTwo Labs recordings page. Chapters 00:00:00 Waiting for Sergio With Christmas Music 00:03:32 Sergio Joins; Argentina and Financial Inclusion 00:08:58 2015 Drivechain After Blockstream Sidechains 00:16:53 Critics, Miner Nodes, and Peter Todd 00:25:00 Bitcoin Without Drivechains 00:31:15 Lightning, ARK, and Sidechain Alignment 00:36:29 MEV, Blind Merge Mining, and BitChain 00:55:27 Hashrate Escrows as Federation Failsafes 01:01:24 One-Size-Fits-All Bitcoin and a BIP 300 Watcher 01:11:51 Would Rootstock Become a Drivechain? 01:16:03 Drivechain Identity, BitNames, and RNS 01:22:14 DragonX, Acapulco, and Sergio Signs Off 01:24:52 Forking Drivechain as an Insurance Policy 01:31:49 Vlad on BIP 300 Debates and Signet 01:37:22 RGB, Lightning, and Custodial Competition 01:42:16 Home Mining, Pools, and Miner Incentives 01:56:37 BitVM Workarounds Versus Opt-In Soft Forks 02:01:15 Taproot, BIP 119, and Soft-Fork Politics 02:12:24 High Priests, Unread BIPs, and Luke Dashjr 02:20:49 Forking Avalanche and Bitcoin Cash Names Recording details Original Space title: 🚨Drivechain Talk with Paul Sztorc and RSK’s Sergio Lerner | #Bitcoin Host @LayerTwoLabs — LayerTwo Labs Speakers @Vladcostea — VLAD HOSTS THE BEST PODCAST IN BITCOIN @haight6716 — Julian Haight @Truthcoin — Paul Sztorc @SDLerner — Sergio Demian Lerner (sergio.lerner.rsk) @TheCryptoShow — The Crypto Show @cordyjos — Cordy Joseph @BTCismoney — Austin E. Alexander Original recording https://x.com/i/spaces/1YpKkwPYnXBKj Speaker credits reflect the saved recording metadata and may not include everyone who joined.

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Recorded conversations from the LayerTwo Labs Spaces series about Bitcoin, Drivechain, sidechains, and related research.

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    LayerTwo Labs
  • Years Active
    2026
  • Episodes
    65
  • Rating
    Explicit
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