Responsible Disclosure

Zafran Security

Welcome to Responsible Disclosure, the podcast that puts the business of cyber on the record. Hosted by Zafran's Nate Rollings (CISO) and Steve Cobb (Field CISO), each episode features founders, CEOs, CISOs, and investors talking through how they actually built what they built, separating what's real from what's noise, and revisiting the pressure-call decisions that never show up in the postmortem.

Episodes

  1. 3d ago

    Doppel’s Kevin Tian: Deepfakes Are Calling Your Help Desk

    On this episode of Responsible Disclosure, we sit down with Doppel Co Founder and CEO Kevin Tian to talk about how AI changed social engineering, from meeting his Co Founder Rahul on day one at Uber to starting Doppel after an early look at ChatGPT in 2022. We get into how groups like Scattered Spider and ShinyHunters target help desks with look alike domains, why fake LinkedIn personas are entering hiring pipelines, and why Doppel’s deepfake agents keep help desk staff on the phone for an average of nine minutes. We also talk about when security awareness training changes behavior, why takedowns now span domains, social media, paid ads, phone numbers, and GEO poisoning in LLMs, and why Doppel calls its work social engineering defense instead of brand reputation management. Plus: the fake LinkedIn profile that spent weeks emailing a payroll team, and whether AI is a bigger gift to attackers or defenders. Chapters: 00:00 Intro 01:12 Origin Story: From Uber to Doppel 02:42 From Crypto Fraud to Cybersecurity 03:41 The State of Social Engineering in the AI Era 05:40 Who Owns Brand Reputation? 07:24 Creating the Social Engineering Defense Category 08:48 Deepfake Agents and the Nine Minute Call 12:16 Does Security Awareness Training Change Behavior? 14:30 Vishing and Smishing 15:29 Multichannel Takedowns and GEO Poisoning 16:53 Why Attackers Build Fake LinkedIn Profiles 20:32 How CISOs Can Cut Through AI Hype 21:30 Furious Five Follow Kevin Tian: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ktian00/ Learn more about Doppel: https://www.doppel.com/ Follow Responsible Disclosure on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/zafran-security Follow Responsible Disclosure on X: https://x.com/Zafran_io Hosted by Nathan Rollings and Steve Cobb Produced by Bigfable

    Doppel’s Kevin Tian: Deepfakes Are Calling Your Help Desk
  2. Oct 15

    Schellman's Avani Desai: Compliance Is a Byproduct of Security

    On this episode of Responsible Disclosure, we sit down with Schellman CEO Avani Desai to talk about 25 years in cybersecurity audit, from her start as a pen tester to leading one of the largest specialized assessment firms for cybersecurity, privacy, and sustainability, and why compliance should be a byproduct of real security. We get into Schellman research showing 74% of companies believe they can pass an AI assessment while about 27% have the controls in place, what the rise of fast, low cost SOC 2 reports means for the trust behind them, the red flags to listen for when choosing an auditor, and why continuous auditing is finally within reach after decades as a pipe dream. We also talk about how vulnerability management became a check the box control, why fear drives more behavior change than incentives, and how the US data economy produces trillion dollar companies. Plus: the story of how Avani got here, and the hyped term she says nobody can define. Chapters: 00:00 Intro 00:36 Origin Story: From India to the American Dream 02:48 From Pen Tester to the Big Four 04:28 What Schellman Does 05:32 AI Governance: 74% Think They'll Pass, 27% Can 06:57 Compliance Is a Byproduct of Security 07:56 Is SOC 2 Still a Valid Exam? 10:06 Red Flags When Hiring a SOC 2 Auditor 12:16 How Commoditization Hurts Good Firms 14:26 The Question Nobody Asks: Auditor Competency 14:46 Continuous Auditing Is Finally Real 17:52 Vulnerability Management Beyond Check the Box 19:27 Can Regulation Fix Security? 20:26 Why Fear Is the #1 Motivator 21:56 Why Trillion Dollar Companies Are American 22:50 Furious Five 24:46 Will a Human Still Sit in the CISO Seat? Watch the full episode on YouTube: youtu.be/59ISaaZNgeU Follow Us: ⚬ Responsible Disclosure on X: https://x.com/Zafran_io ⚬ Responsible Disclosure on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/zafran-security ⚬ Follow Nate on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/nathan-rollings-02b65b43/ ⚬ Follow Steve on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/wscobb/ ⚬ Follow Steve on X: https://x.com/Prot3ctD3f3nd ⚬ Follow Avani Desai: https://www.linkedin.com/in/avani-d-596366/ ⚬ Schellman: https://www.schellman.com/ Produced by Bigfable

    Schellman's Avani Desai: Compliance Is a Byproduct of Security

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Welcome to Responsible Disclosure, the podcast that puts the business of cyber on the record. Hosted by Zafran's Nate Rollings (CISO) and Steve Cobb (Field CISO), each episode features founders, CEOs, CISOs, and investors talking through how they actually built what they built, separating what's real from what's noise, and revisiting the pressure-call decisions that never show up in the postmortem.