Energy Capital Podcast

Doug Lewin

The Energy Capital podcast focuses on Texas energy and power grid issues, featuring interviews with energy professionals, academics, policymakers, and advocates. www.douglewin.com

  1. AI, Outage Risks, and Market Opportunities with Lynne Kiesling (Part 2)

    9월 24일

    AI, Outage Risks, and Market Opportunities with Lynne Kiesling (Part 2)

    In Part 1 of my conversation with economist Lynne Kiesling, we traced how monopoly utilities and central planning helped electrify the country. That model worked. Economies of scale and guaranteed returns brought capital into the system, and within a few decades, nearly every home had electricity. But the world has changed. Technologies are smaller, decentralized, and more flexible. Risks are more complex. Consumers expect more than just “the light turns on.” In some areas, the old model now creates perverse incentives: rewarding capital spending over performance, insulating utilities from risk, and slowing innovation. So the question is: what comes next? In Part 2, we explore how markets can evolve beyond wholesale and retail competition to tackle the next frontier: risk allocation, demand-side flexibility, and performance-based regulation. And we look at how AI-driven data centers are testing the limits of the old model while creating new opportunities for Texas to lead. Markets as Error Correction Markets don’t just allocate resources, they correct errors. As Lynne explained: “If someone has made an investment and… we’ve built too many gas power plants, and we’re not earning profits on that, that’s a signal to me that I need to take my money and put it somewhere else.” That’s how we avoid repeating mistakes. Yet in the utility model, many risks never reach shareholders. After Hurricane Beryl, for example, CenterPoint admitted its failures but still posted a billion dollars in profits. Consumers bore the outage costs, while investors stayed insulated. The missing piece: markets for risk. Today, outage risk, rate risk, and weather risk aren’t fully priced or traded. Post-Uri, some generators took huge hits while others profited. That’s markets working. But for regulated utilities, risk rarely lands where it should. Of course, markets don’t solve everything on their own. Consumers need protection against fraud and market manipulation, and regulators still have a vital role in setting guardrails. The goal isn’t to remove oversight, but to let markets do what they do best, deliver solutions faster than central planning. Demand Flexibility For decades, demand seemed inelastic. People flipped a switch, the light came on, and rates averaged out costs. But digital automation has changed the game. Devices from EV chargers to air conditioners to fridges can now respond to prices automatically. “We could find that there is a lot more latent flexibility on the demand side that would not inconvenience or discomfort consumers.” - Lynne Kiesling Imagine refrigerators with backup batteries. When the grid is stressed, those batteries could keep food cold without drawing power, creating resilience for the household and flexibility for the grid. Markets can unlock this value. Today, no one pays you for your fridge’s flexibility. But if performance-based regulation and transactive energy systems take hold, millions of small, automated actions could add up to major resilience. Performance Over Spending Rate-of-return regulation rewards utilities for spending capital, not necessarily for delivering better outcomes. Lynne contrasted that with price-cap or performance-based systems: * Rate-of-return: utilities get a guaranteed return, no matter the outcome. * Price-cap: utilities must meet quality requirements under a certain cost * Performance-based regulation: rewards improvements in reliability, efficiency, or customer service, usually removes incentives for capital spending and removes disincentives for operational expenses “If I were rewriting utility regulation, there would be a penalty structure on your ROE depending on your [reliability] scores.”- Lynne Kiesling Aligning incentives with performance instead of capital spending could drive innovation from transmission and distribution utilities. AI and Data Centers: The Demand Tsunami Perhaps the most urgent shift is the rise of AI and hyperscale data centers. The International Energy Agency projects global data center demand will double by 2030. In the U.S., McKinsey forecasts a 23% compound annual growth rate through 2030, adding 400 terawatt hours of new demand, the equivalent of adding another Texas in just a few years. Utilities, designed for less dramatic acceleration, can’t match that pace. Data centers are already seeking alternatives: onsite solar + storage, natural gas peakers, geothermal pilots, and even small modular reactors. Texas has a leg up. In many states, large customers are captive even for their generating resources to the monopoly utility. In ERCOT, they can contract directly with generators. That flexibility is why AI companies are flocking here and why Texas can continue to lead. The Texas Energy and Power Newsletter is a reader-supported publication. To receive new posts and support my work, consider becoming a free or paid subscriber. From Capacity to Capabilities The old system was built on capacity: how many megawatts you could generate or consume at peak. But AI and automation are shifting the paradigm. Most data centers won’t run at full tilt 24/7. Their true value — and the value of generation — lies in capabilities, how much load (or supply) they can flex, when, and where. “Capability and flexibility, with that intersection with time and location, that is kind of everything going forward.” - Doug Lewin Texas must evolve its mindset. It’s not just about building more capacity. It’s about enabling capabilities: flexibility, automation, and responsiveness that can balance reliability and cost in real time. Final Thoughts Texas built a world-class wholesale market by letting price signals communicate. The next step is to let that principle flow into risk markets, demand-side markets, and distribution markets. Markets, as Lynne Kiesling reminded us, are a discovery process. If we reward performance, enable innovation, and let capabilities speak louder than capacity, Texas can not only handle the AI and data center surge — we can do so while increasing reliability and lowering costs for residential and small commercial customers. That’s how we keep build out the grid and meet the challenges of the 21st century. If this resonated, share it with a colleague who cares about Texas energy. And if you haven’t yet, subscribe for more conversations and insights on the future of the grid. Sponsored by Aurora Energy ResearchAurora Energy Research provides leading analysis of global electricity markets. Explore their insights on the Energy Unplugged podcast and join their Energy Transition Forum in New York on October 21. Details at auroraer.com Timestamps * 00:00 – Welcome and Part 2 overview * 01:30 – Why central planning doesn’t work; next frontier: demand side * 04:30 – Markets as error correction, markets for risk including for fully regulated monopoly utilities * 08:30 – Demand flexibility via automation vs. customer actions * 12:00 – Transactive energy and user-friendly customer interfaces * 14:00 – Price cap regulation and performance-based regulation * 17:00 – Metrics for price cap and performance-based regulation * 20:30 – Sponsor: Aurora Energy Transition Forum * 22:30 – How AI data centers are reshaping demand * 25:30 – Make-or-buy decisions for AI infrastructure companies * 30:00 – Contracting for power in Texas * 32:00 – Crusoe, flare gas to power * 34:00 – Data center flexibility: reducing peak while overall energy use increases * 35:45 – Why we should talk about capabilities not capacity * 37:00 – Closing, where to find Lynne * 38:00 – Credits and thanks Resources Guest• Lynne Kiesling - LinkedIn, Knowledge Problem (Substack) Company & Industry News• Google, Kairos Power, TVA collaborate on advanced nuclear• Reuters, Google to buy power from Kairos SMRs• Google, Fervo geothermal project operational• Crusoe secures 4.5 GW for AI data centers Books & Articles Discussed• Alfred Kahn – The Economics of Regulation (two volumes)• IEA report on data center energy consumption • McKinsey report estimating 23% CAGR in U.S. data center electricity demand Related Energy Capital Podcasts Related Substack Posts by Doug• Why Are Utility Bills Rising So Fast?• Large Load Queue Has Tripled in Texas (Grid Roundup #76)• Solar and Storage Help Reliability (Grid Roundup #68)• Rapid Demand Growth Outpaced by New Supply in Texas (Grid Round #70)• Energy Pragmatism, A Path to Abundance 🌐 Doug’s Platforms• Substack• LinkedIn• YouTube• X (Twitter) Transcript Doug Lewin (00:06.05) Welcome to the Energy Capital Podcast. I’m your host, Doug Lewin. This is part two of my interview with Lynne Kiesling. She is a professor and historian of economics at Northwestern University and a non-resident fellow at the American Enterprise Institute. She is one of the smartest people on markets, particularly electric markets, anywhere. If you haven’t listened to part one, go back and listen to that first, because we get into some of the history, kind of bringing us up to the present. And then in this conversation, we talk a whole lot about the state of current electric markets, data centers and AI demand, risk allocation, and why that really matters for the grid of the future. You know, obviously this is a discussion going on all around the United States and around the world. And a lot of folks think that it doesn’t apply to Texas because we do have competitive generation and retail, but there is the potential for markets and price discovery on the distribution grid. And that is, as I talked about in the previous podcast with Charles Hua, the fastest rising part of the cost of the grid is on the distribution side. And even in a state as competitive as Texas is, there is no competition on that side. And there is a really important set of questions which we get into here as to whether or not that should remain the case. So with nothing fur

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  2. Why the Old Utility Business Model Doesn’t Fit Anymore with Lynne Kiesling (Part 1)

    9월 17일

    Why the Old Utility Business Model Doesn’t Fit Anymore with Lynne Kiesling (Part 1)

    Over a hundred years ago, the monopoly business utility model emerged as the one that could attract sufficient capital to electrify everything. The monopoly utility business was championed by Thomas Edison’s protégé and early leader of ComEd in Chicago, Sam Insull. It worked. By mid-century, most Americans had power. But today, competition for generation and retail have shown that monopolies are not necessary. Texas is a poster child for for competition but even Texas has little competition on the distribution side — and the cost of distribution is skyrocketing with no ability for competitors to offer alternatives that could save consumers money. The monopoly model literally rewards utilities for spending more capital, even when smarter, cheaper options exist. In my conversation with economist Lynne Kiesling, we traced the arc from Insull’s vision to today, and talked about where the system is showing serious signs of distress. And we discussed how that could change… How We Got Here: Edison’s Machine Edison designed complete systems, from generators to the lamp in JP Morgan’s house. Insull scaled that model in Chicago, betting on economies of scale (bigger plants) and scope (serving factoreis, homes and electric trolleys together to increase system utilization and load factors). That became the vertically integrated monopoly: a single company, fully integrated, would keep costs low. Legislatures around the country formalized it, spreading the monopoly-utility model far and wide. It was the right model for the time. America needed electrification, and investors needed stable returns. “Economies of scale and scope… that’s your natural monopoly right there.” - Lynne Kiesling Why It Worked Then and Why It Doesn’t Now The framework assumed three things: * Bigger plants are always cheaper. * Vertical integration and central planning are essential. * Utilities should earn guaranteed returns on new capital. That fit a world that wasn’t yet electrified and needed massive centralized power plants. But two revolutions were disruptive to the monopoly model: * Gas turbines: By the 1980s, combined-cycle plants made smaller, flexible generation competitive and lower cost than bigger centralized plants. The “dash to gas” in the 2000s proved it. * Digitalization: Sensors, controls, and standards cut transaction costs. Coordination no longer required vertical integration. Price Discovery: The Linchpin Economist Friedrich Hayek described prices as a “system of telecommunications.” ERCOT proves it daily. When scarcity prices spike, batteries discharge, generators ramp up, demand response kicks in. Investors see those signals and commit capital for more resources. “Markets are a discovery procedure… trial and error with your own capital is how we get the most benefit.” - Lynne Kiesling Every bet on future conditions shapes tomorrow’s incentives. That’s why Texas leads in storage growth, retail innovation, and is attracting new gas peaker plants, too. But here’s the catch: we don’t allow price discovery work at the distribution level. The Last Monopoly Mile Transmission and distribution remain monopoly domains. Under today’s rules, utilities earn more by spending more. Propose a $50 million substation, get it approved, earn a return. But what if a portfolio of distributed resources (e.g. batteries, EV charging, demand response) solved the same problem for half the cost? In most states, including Texas, that option isn’t tested. Regulators just green-light the $50 million. That’s why Lynne calls for “quarantining the monopoly”: keep exclusive rights to the poles and wires, but open competition for solutions at the grid edge. Final Thoughts Texas already showed the world that wholesale competition works. Volatility spurs investment, spreads risk to investors, and drives down long-term costs. The next frontier is distribution. If we quarantine the monopoly to the wires while opening structured competition for everything else, we’ll see faster innovation, more reliability per dollar, and lower bills. That’s the Texas way: pragmatic, innovative, and willing to lead. This is just Part 1 of my conversation with Lynne Kiesling. Next week in Part 2, we’ll dive into data centers, AI demand, and why risk allocation will define the grid’s future. Timestamps * 00:00 – Introduction * 02:30 – Why history matters today * 05:00 – Edison’s vision for a fully integrated electric system * 07:30 – Insull’s bargain: regulate us but grant a monopoly & don’t municipalize * 10:30 – Was monopoly the right solution then? * 16:30 – Natural monopolies: economies of scale and scope * 20:00– Outdated assumptions, Texas competition * 22:00 – Rate-of-return regulation, capital bias, and technology innovation * 26:30 – The changes brought by combined-cycle gas plants and digitalization * 30:00 – Quarantine the monopoly, price signals * 31:30 – Do conservatives still support competitive markets? * 33:00 – How and why arbitrage lower prices * 34:30 – Distribution system efficiency and utility incentives * 37:00 – “Markets are a discovery procedure” * 40:00 – Let volatility speak, Texas choices * 42:00 – What’s the next frontier of competition Resources Guest & Company• Knowledge Problem (Lynne’s Substack) • Lynne Kiesling (Northwestern, Personal site, Santa Fe Institute, Books & Articles Discussed• The Merchant of Power: Sam Insull, Thomas Edison, and the Creation of the Modern Metropolis• Power Loss: The Origins of Deregulation and Restructuring in the American Electric Utility System by Richard F. Hirsh• Hayek: A Life, 1899-1950 by Caldwell and Klausinger• Competition as a Discovery Procedure, F. A. Hayek (QJAE translation) Related Substack Posts by Doug•Why Are Energy Bills Rising So Fast? A Conversation with Charles Hua • Creating a Distributed Battery Network with Zach Dell• The Energy Capital Podcast, Episode 1 with Will McAdams• Texas’ Load Growth Challenges and Opportunities, with Arushi Sharma Frank The Texas Energy and Power Newsletter is a reader-supported publication. To receive new posts and support my work, consider becoming a paid subscriber. Doug’s Platforms• LinkedIn• YouTube• X (Twitter) Transcript Doug Lewin (00:05.356) Welcome to the Energy Capital Podcast. I'm your host, Doug Lewin. My guest this week is Lynn Kiesling. There are few people in the electric industry I like reading and listening to more than Lynn. I'm kind of ashamed it took me this long to have her on the podcast, but better late than never. She is the director of the Institute for Regulatory Law and Economics at Northwestern University. She is a non-resident senior fellow at AEI, the American Enterprise Institute. The reason I wanted to have her on the podcast is I think she is sort of the academic expert par excellence on markets. She really understands markets inside and out. She has been as influential talking about transactive energy, talking about distributed energy resources and how they can participate in markets. She's been talking about these things more than just about anybody, talking about them eloquently. and really kind of pushing the envelope on what needs to happen in electric grids and electric markets for innovation. Obviously, with a focus on Texas and the electric market there, we split this into two parts. In the second part, which you'll hear next week, we got into all kinds of different stuff about data centers and their impact on electric grids, what they'll mean for competition. This was a ton of fun and a very wonky, deep conversation that I think you're going to enjoy. And more importantly, learn a lot from. Lynn is just a fantastic teacher and it was great to spend this 90 minutes with her. So you'll have 45 minutes today, another 45 next week as we go deep into the roots of electric competition and what it means for energy transition, affordability, reliability and all of that. So with nothing further, here's Dr. Kiesling. Doug Lewin (01:51.82) Lynn Kiesling, welcome to the Energy Capital Podcast. Thank you for having me, I'm glad to be here. I love reading your articles on Substack and knowledge problem. You obviously are an economist par excellence. are doing just great work on electricity systems and the evolution of electricity systems, competition, technology. You hit on all the things. Before we get into all that though, I think it helps to kind of ground people in like the, some of the history of all this and you're, you're an economist. but you're also a bit of a historian. So before we start talking about data centers and DRs and electric vehicles and all these cool technologies, you've written a lot, and I think just really eloquently and clearly, and I think you've done a great public service with that, about how the system of regulation we have, which is now well over 100 years old, is kind of showing some of the signs of its age. And is it quite keeping up with the technology and maybe needs to evolve? So can you talk a little bit about where we came from, sort of how we got that system, what defines that system, and where it's just kind of not fitting with where we're at right now? Lynne Kiesling (03:06.52) Well, thank you. I appreciate that. And I like the metaphor, you know, feeling like as I get older, my joints are creakier. And I think that's true about our institutional framework. Yeah. It's not just bodies. It's, know, the, kind of organic metaphor is relevant here. And for folks who, and especially maybe for students who are thinking about career paths, you know, I'm an academic by temperament and by career choice. So. You know, my fields in graduate school were industrial organization, because I went to graduate school to study electricity and with John Panzer at Northwestern. But then I got there and just got gripped by the love of economic history. And so I kept studying techn

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  3. Why Are Energy Bills Rising So Fast? A Conversation with Charles Hua

    9월 9일

    Why Are Energy Bills Rising So Fast? A Conversation with Charles Hua

    Watch the Full Conversation with Graphs on YouTube (Updated) Utility bills are rising faster than ever. In the first half of 2025 alone, utilities requested $29 billion in rate increases, already a record for any full year, with months still to go. That’s more than double the pace of 2024. If you’re wondering why, you’re not alone. I hear this question constantly: “If renewables lower costs, why is my bill going up?” The answer: transmission and distribution. The costs of poles, wires, substations, and local infrastructure that move electricity from plants to homes is rising quickly, while the cost of generation is flat or declining in most places. To unpack why — and what can be done to help struggling consumers — I sat down with Charles Hua, Director of Powerlines, a new national consumer advocacy group focused on modernizing the regulatory system. The Real Reason Bills Are Rising “Generation is not what’s driving up bills. It’s really the transmission and distribution piece.” – Charles Hua Utilities are pouring capital into poles, wires, and substations. Much of it is necessary, but some isn’t. And because utilities earn profits on capital expenditures, they’re incentivized to build more; they are not incentivized to find cheaper alternatives. The data is striking: wholesale electricity prices have been flat, or even declined, over the past 15 years. Nationally, retail prices for households, meanwhile, have jumped from about 12¢ to 16–17¢ per kWh. And gas utility bills have been rising faster than electric bills. Those gaps are revealing. All Regulation Is Incentive Regulation Utilities make money by earning a rate of return on capital projects. But operational expenses, like vegetation management that could prevent outages, or cloud-based outage trackers, do not generate profits. The result is a bias toward big builds instead of low-cost, reliability-focused fixes. This is the system we have created and that needs reform. Consumers know something’s broken. Powerlines’ survey shows 4 in 5 Americans feel powerless over their utility bills, across Democrats, Republicans, and independents alike. Many don’t know what’s driving costs, and rate cases remain opaque and inaccessible. Short-Term Fixes: Squeezing More Juice from the Grid We don’t have to accept runaway bills as inevitable. There are proven tools available now: * Grid-enhancing technologies (GETs): Sensors and software that increase the capacity of existing lines. Charles calls them “ibuprofen for the grid.” * Distributed energy resources (DERs) and virtual power plants (VPPs): Solar, batteries, and smart devices coordinated to reduce peak demand and defer new builds. * Energy efficiency: Still the cheapest, fastest way to cut bills, though underutilized in Texas compared to other states. Each of these solutions stretches the grid we already have, reducing the need for constant billion-dollar expansions. Long-Term Reforms: Aligning Incentives with Outcomes Fixing incentives is key. Options include: * Performance-based regulation (PBR): Tying utility profits to outcomes like affordability and reliability, not just capital spending. * Distribution system planning: Opening the “black box” of utility investment so alternatives like DERs can compete with substation expansions. * Return on equity reforms: Expanding utility profit opportunities to operational solutions, not just capital-intensive projects. None of this is simple, but without it, the trajectory is clear: higher bills and growing consumer backlash. Why Texas Matters Texas is ground zero for this debate. Utilities like Oncor have outlined multi-decade capital plans that could quadruple spending by the 2030s. If nothing changes, those costs land squarely on customers. At the same time, Texas leads the nation in renewables, is building out batteries faster than any other state, and has the independent streak to pioneer smarter utility models. As Charles put it, “Now is the time for consumers to get engaged.” Final Thoughts Utility bills do not have to keep spiraling upward. We need investment in the grid, yes, but smart, efficient investment that maximizes resiliency while protecting affordability. This is where public utility commissions come in. Their decisions determine how much we pay, how reliable our grid is, and how fast we can adapt to rising demand. The challenge is real. So is the opportunity. If we get this right, Texas and the U.S. can build a grid that is stronger, smarter, and more affordable. Let’s make sure consumers have a voice in shaping it. Timestamps * 00:00 – Introduction * 02:00 – Meet Charles Hua, Powerlines * 05:00 – Why bills are rising * 09:30 – Different types of utilities * 12:00 – Profits and business model of T&D utilities * 13:30 – Alternatives to rate-based infrastructure * 15:00 – Why rates keep going up even as generation costs go down * 17:00 – Texas rates are low but our bills are high * 19:30 – Why 80% of consumers feel powerless over their electric bills * 22:30 – How ratemaking works, difference between OpEx and CapEx * 30:00 – All regulation is incentive regulation: moving toward paying for performance * 34:30 – The coming CapEx wave as evidenced by Sempra/Oncor * 39:30 – PUC engagement of the public; public interest in electricity and energy * 46:00 – Near term solutions, including Grid Enhancing Technologies (GETs) as “ibuprofen for the grid”; time-of-use rates, distribution system planning, etc. * 52:00 – Consumers aren’t represented at PUC’s now * 54:00 – How the public can engage in Texas * 57:00 – Different “win-win” business models that benefit utilities and consumers Resources Featured Guest & Organization * Charles Hua – Director of Powerlines, a national consumer advocacy group focused on modernizing utility regulation. * Charles Hua on LinkedIn * Powerlines.org – Reports, resources, and ways to get involved in utility regulation Mentioned in this Episode: * Tyler Norris et al., Rethinking Load Growth (Duke University) * Powerlines Report: Utility Bills Are Rising – Q1 and Q2 2025 Data on Utility Rate Increase Requests * For help shopping for better rates, see Power to Choose * Excellent Volts Podcast with Charles Hua * Senate Bill 1664 * PUC Office of Public Engagement * Office of Public Utility Counsel of Texas Related Energy Capital Podcasts * Octopus Energy US with Nick Chaset – discussion of EV rates and flexible load * Zach Dell with Base Power Company * Tyler Norris (Duke University) – deep dive on ERCOT load factor and grid efficiency * More episodes on utility regulation, affordability, and grid planning are available in the Energy Capital archives. Find More on Social * Doug Lewin on LinkedIn * Doug Lewin on Twitter/X * Doug Lewin on YouTube Transcript Doug Lewin (00:04.78) Welcome to the Energy Capital podcast. I'm your host, Doug Lewin. My guest this week is Charles Hua, the director of Powerlines. Powerlines is a fairly new organization now, a little over a year old, that is focused on helping people understand the critical and important job that public utility commissions do day in, day out to increase reliability and hopefully keep electricity prices lower. I really enjoyed this conversation. Charles is incredibly smart. Doug Lewin (00:33.942) and insightful. And we got into what I think is probably the most common question I get on Twitter and LinkedIn. Sometimes questions, sometimes arguments about why electricity prices are going higher. Spoiler alert, it is not because of renewable energy. It's because of the increased costs on the transmission distribution system, particularly on the distribution side. We did get into a lot of charts and figures and things like that. So if you're not already watching on YouTube, Doug Lewin (01:03.522) You might want to switch over there or if on Spotify you can see the video there, you should be able to see those charts, which I think really do and graphs, which really do tell a story. If you want to watch it on YouTube, Doug Lewin Energy is the channel. You can find me there. This is a free episode of the Energy Capital Podcast. It is not free to produce. We really, really appreciate our paid subscribers. If you're already a paid subscriber, thank you. If you are not. Doug Lewin (01:31.384) Please go to douglouen.com and become one today. You'll have access to the entire archives of articles of the Texas Energy and Power newsletter, all the paid episodes of the Energy Capital podcast, grid roundups, reading and podcast picks, special presentations, chats during ERCOT board meetings and most PUC open meetings. Public utility commissions, as Charles talks about, are incredibly important and I do follow them here at the newsletter and you can join and follow along. douglouen.com is where you do that. Doug Lewin (02:00.96) And last but not least, please do leave a five-star review wherever you listen. And with that, here is my interview with Charles Hwang. Doug Lewin (02:08.814) Charles Hoi, welcome to the Energy Capital Podcast. Let's start from the beginning. What is Power Lines? And tell us a little bit in that intro to Power Lines about this fantastic report you guys have out. Utility bills are rising, an analysis of utility bills and how they're affecting American energy consumers and who determines them. So what is Power Lines? And tell us a little about this fantastic report on utility bills. Charles Hua (02:11.384) Doug, thanks for having me. Charles Hua (02:35.95) Sure. Well, thanks again, Doug. So Powerlines, we're about a year old actually, a national organization where national consumer advocacy group focused on modernizing the utility regulatory system, really with two key objectives in mind. One is to lower utility bills and second hand in hand is to advance economic development and growth. You and I actually met August of 2024 in Houston during a very

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  4. "One of the Hottest Data Center Markets in the Country" with CPS Energy's CEO Rudy Garza

    8월 28일

    "One of the Hottest Data Center Markets in the Country" with CPS Energy's CEO Rudy Garza

    This is a free preview of a paid episode. To hear more, visit www.douglewin.com San Antonio is one of the fastest growing cities in the country and have requests to interconnect AI infrastructure and data centers that would triple their size. With that growth comes a simple but daunting challenge: how do you keep the air conditioning on while growing the economy and keeping bills affordable? CPS Energy, the nation’s fifth largest municipally owned utility, sits at the center of this challenge. Rudy Garza, CPS’s president and CEO, has spent the last two decades in Texas energy. In this episode, we talked through retiring old coal units, acquiring 1.7 gigawatts of gas plants, adding renewables and batteries, leveraging demand side resources, and preparing for a wave of new demand from AI data centers. As Rudy put it, Texas needs it all right now. The question is how to balance affordability, reliability, and growth in a rapidly changing landscape. A Utility in Transition CPS Energy serves 1.4 million customers and maintains some of the lowest combined electric and gas rates in Texas. They return hundreds of millions of dollars each year to the city budget, while also managing 6,000 MW of peak demand and a portfolio of about 10,000 MW of generation. That portfolio is shifting fast. CPS retired its Deely coal units in 2018, is converting one of the Spruce coal units to gas by 2028 while closing the other, and has plans to retire the aging Braunig and Sommers units within five years. These changes create both opportunity and risk. As Rudy said, you cannot run 1960s-era plants forever and expect reliability. By the numbers * Customers: ~1.4 million total; ~1.0 million electric, ~0.4 million gas * Peak demand: roughly 6,000 MW, growing ~150 to 190 MW per year * Portfolio today: ~8,000 MW dispatchable plus ~2,500 MW renewables * Recent acquisition: 1,700 MW of gas at roughly $500 per kW versus $2,400 to $2,700 per kW to build new * Solar: 730 MW contracted or in construction, with another 500 to 600 MW in the pipeline * Storage: 520 MW secured, tracking toward more than 1,000 MW * Wind: 400 MW request for proposals in market * Demand response: about 250 MW per event, split roughly half residential and half commercial * Customer reality: about 60 percent low to moderate income; CPS targets modest, occasional asks near 5 percent when needed If this was useful, share it with a colleague or neighbor. It helps more Texans find practical solutions.

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  5. Here Comes the Sun: Bill McKibben on Solar’s Breakout Moment

    8월 19일

    Here Comes the Sun: Bill McKibben on Solar’s Breakout Moment

    Sometimes I get to bring you a conversation that really feels like a turning point. This week, I sat down with Bill McKibben, one of the most respected voices in climate and energy. His new book, Here Comes the Sun (out today! order it here), is different from his earlier work. Bill has long been known for sounding the alarm. But this time, he’s bringing something else: optimism. Why? Because solar and other clean technologies are no longer “someday.” They are scaling now — all around the world — faster than anyone predicted. Solar’s Exponential Takeoff In 2009, The Economist predicted it would take 20 years for solar to scale up by an order of magnitude. It took six. Today, the world installs 230–240 gigawatts of solar every six months. That’s two massive coal plants’ worth of clean energy every single day. This isn’t fringe. This isn’t boutique. It’s mainstream power. Think Costco, not Whole Foods. Bulk, cheap, ready-to-go. Everywhere from Pakistan to Texas: A Global Story The shift is happening everywhere. * In Pakistan, rooftop solar grew so fast that in just 8 months, citizens built the equivalent of half their national grid. Farmers led the way, cutting diesel use by 35 percent in a single year. * In Texas, oil and gas operators in the Permian are connecting to the grid or tapping wind and solar because it is cheaper than running diesel generators. When energy is more affordable, more reliable, and easier to deploy, people adopt it. That is true from Karachi to the Concho Valley. The Texas Energy and Power Newsletter is a reader-supported publication. To receive new posts and support my work, consider becoming a free or paid subscriber. No Longer “Alternative Energy” We’ve used the phrase “alternative energy” for wind and solar for decades. Now it means something different: natural gas and coal are the alternatives and renewables + storage are the most common, even dominant, resources. Last year, 90% of new power plants built worldwide were clean energy. Oil and gas remain vital and will continue to play an important role, but the growth is in clean energy. Leading With People’s Needs, Not Just Climate Here’s the pivot that excites me most. If we lead with “climate crisis,” people shut down. Either they don’t agree it’s happening and check out, or they get it and feel depressed and stressed out. But if we lead with better lives and lower bills, people listen: * Half of Texans report they are choosing between food, medicine, and electricity. Renewables lower costs. * EVs aren’t sacrifices. They are smoother, faster, and cheaper to fuel. * Heat pumps aren’t compromises. They reduce stress on the grid, make homes more comfortable, and lower consumers’ energy bills. When we talk about clean energy in terms of savings and resilience, people connect. And those benefits also happen to reduce emissions. This is not about jerseys or tribes. It’s about abundance. Land, Liberty, and Local Benefits Opponents often argue renewables take up too much land. But the math tells a different story: * 1 acre of corn for ethanol → fuels an F-150 for ~25,000 miles. * 1 acre of solar panels → powers an F-150 Lightning for 700,000 miles. That’s not even close. And the benefits are tangible: * Ranchers and farmers are keeping land in the family thanks to wind and solar leases. * Rural schools are funded by clean energy tax revenue. * Cattle graze happily under turbines, even using them for shade. This is energy independence at the community level — red state, blue state, doesn’t matter. A Race Between Challenge and Opportunity We’re living two stories at once: * Bad News: By June 2023, Earth had entered the hottest 12-month stretch in 125,000 years. * Good News: That same month, humanity began installing over a gigawatt of solar per day. The race is on. The question is not if we transition. It’s how fast. The outcome depends on how quickly we build. We now have the tools to create cleaner, cheaper, and more reliable power. The question is whether we will use them fast enough. Bill put it bluntly: “We can’t stop global warming. But we can stop it short of breaking civilization.” Why Policy Still Matters The economics are overwhelming, but politics can slow things down. * Texas became a leader in wind power because of transmission investments made two decades ago. * The oil and gas industry poured $500 million into lobbying and ads last year. * Rooftop solar in the U.S. still takes months to permit, compared to days in places like Australia. * And yet, local politics in Texas are shifting as communities fight for renewables that pay their bills. This is where action, at the state and local level, can accelerate the inevitable. The lesson is clear: smart policy can clear barriers so Texans can benefit sooner. The Moment After 700,000 years of burning things for fuel, humanity is finally learning to power itself directly from the sun. That’s not just about climate. It’s about freedom, prosperity, and better technology. Bill McKibben’s new book, Here Comes the Sun, captures this moment with story after story of how fast change is happening. It’s out now, and I can’t recommend it highly enough. He’s also helping organize a national day of action called Sunday on September 21st. Learn more at sunday.earth. If you got value from this, please share it with a friend, colleague, or family member and consider subscribing. The more people who see clean energy for what it is, the future, the faster we’ll build it. Transcript * 00:00 – Introduction * 02:30 – Why Bill is uncharacteristically optimistic * 04:30 – Very few people understand how much progress has been made: renewables are no longer “alternative” * 8:00 – The story of Pakistan’s solar surge * 11:00 – We’re in a different world because from steep learning curves for renewables and storage * 14:00 – Energy as a service instead of a commodity * 17:00 – Is the oil and gas industry getting what they wanted out of President Trump? * 20:00 – China is adopting clean energy and dominating those industries * 23:00 – Why leading with climate change is not a leading strategy * 26:00 – Leading with benefits of new technologies in this “epochal moment” * 29:00 – Not everyone can strike oil, but everyone can strike wind or sun (or both) * 30:00 – Agrivoltaics: “shade is a valuable commodity” * 34:00 – Sun Day: September 21 * 37:30 – June 2023: hottest month on record to that point AND first month when world installed one gigawatt per day * 39:30 – Is it time for progressives to embrace permitting reform? * 43:00 – Is progress more likely at federal or state & local levels? * 48:30 – Closing Thoughts & Call to Action Resources Bill McKibben’s Work * Book: Here Comes the Sun by Bill McKibben - (new release on the global solar revolution, packed with stories and stats). * Substack: The Crucial Years: Bill’s ongoing essays on climate, energy, and activism. * Sun Day! On the equinox: September 21 Articles and Essays Referenced * The New Yorker (2025): Published an excerpt from Here Comes the Sun, surprising even seasoned climate experts with how fast solar is scaling. * Telegraph article on Texas, including John Davis, former Texas Republican legislator, who said he “struck wind” on his Menard ranch — wind leases now account for 40% of his income. * Mother Jones. Yes in Our Backyards — why it takes months in the U.S. but days in Australia. * Dallas Federal Reserve Quarterly Survey: Candid insights from Texas oil and gas executives on drilling economics and policy. Global and National Examples * Pakistan rooftop solar boom: Citizens added the equivalent of half the national grid in just 8 months (Google Earth images showed rooftops filling with panels). Diesel sales dropped 35% in one year. * California: Used 40% less natural gas for electricity than it did two years ago in summer 2023, evidence of rapid scaling of renewables. * China: 1/2+ of all cars sold last month came with plugs. EVs there now cost as little as $12,000, far below U.S. prices. * Australia: Rooftop solar installed as low as ~50 cents per watt vs. $1.50-3 or more in the U.S. due to faster, simpler permitting. * Vatican City: Building a solar farm outside Rome to become the first fully solar-powered nation. Concepts and Data Points * “Costco vs. Whole Foods” analogy: Solar has shifted from being a premium product to being the cheapest and most abundant option. * Agrivoltaics: Using solar arrays alongside farming. Examples include: * Cattle grazing under turbines and sheep around solar panels. * French vineyards report 60% higher grape yields with panels providing shade and moisture retention (pv magazine). * Corn ethanol vs. solar comparison: * 1 acre of corn for ethanol = ~25,000 miles of fuel for a Ford F-150. * 1 acre of solar panels = ~700,000 miles in an F-150 Lightning EV. * Balcony solar in Europe: Millions of apartment dwellers in Germany have adopted “plug-and-play” solar panels. Legal in Utah as of 2024 thanks to bipartisan legislation. Organizations and Initiatives * Texas Energy Poverty Research Institute (TEPRI) — Community Voices Survey found half of Texans are choosing between food, medicine, and power. * Sunday: National Day of Action — September 21, 2025 (Fall Equinox). Learn more at sunday.earth. * Conservatives for Clean Energy (Southeast U.S.): Helped persuade Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis not to block rooftop solar. Podcasts and Media Recommendations * Ezra Klein Show: Episode with Jesse Jenkins and Jane Flegal on energy transition and permitting reform (highly recommended). * Energy Capital Podcast: Previous episode with Octopus Energy CEO on new utility business models. Timestamps Doug Lewin (00:06.722): Welcome to the Energy Capital Podcast. I'm your host, Doug Lewin. My guest this week, I'm very excited to tell you, is Bill McKibben. I've been re

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    This is a free preview of a paid episode. To hear more, visit www.douglewin.com 🎧 Listen to the first 15+ minutes for free, and if you’re a paid subscriber and want to listen in Apple Podcasts or Spotify, just connect your private Substack feed. Here is the a link with step-by-step instructions. You can also hear the full episode in Substack; just make sure you’re logged in with the email linked to your subscription. Texas’ retail electricity market was built to be a model for the world. When the state restructured its power sector in 1999, the idea was straightforward: unleash innovation, empower customers, and let competition drive costs down. More than two decades later, the reality is mixed. Texans enjoy more choice than anywhere else in the US — and some of those choices are great — but too often, customers are steered toward gimmicky plans with hidden fees instead of real value. On this episode of the Energy Capital Podcast, I talk with Nick Chaset, CEO of Octopus Energy US, about why the market isn’t reaching its full potential, how Octopus is trying to change that, and what policymakers can do to deliver a system that actually works for people. The Stakes for Texas Electricity consumption has gone from 400 terawatt-hours four years ago to nearly 500 TWh this year, a 25% jump. Peak demand hit 85 gigawatts in 2023 and 2024, up from 75 GW just a few years ago. We’ve built new generation to meet that growth, mostly solar and storage, but the way we price and sell electricity hasn’t kept pace. Most Texans are still on outdated plans that don’t reflect when power is abundant or scarce, driving up costs for everyone.

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  7. Shortcast: None of the Above

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    Shortcast: None of the Above

    In this week’s Energy Capital Podcast, I revisit my recent article, None of the Above, with added commentary. Please give it a listen and let me know what you think in the comments. All of the Above vs. None of the Above For years, U.S. energy policy has been framed as “all of the above.” No red or blue electrons, just building what works. The new budget bill flips that script and is leaving closer to none of the above. The administration’s preferred resources aren’t available at scale: * Nuclear? Promising, but still 5-7 years, at least, from scaling * Gas? Facing massive supply chain bottlenecks, the world’s biggest turbine manufacturer only produces ~20 GW per year, globally. * Coal? No amount of weird nostalgia will changes its costs and health impacts. * Renewables and storage? The only sources growing fast enough to meet demand if they’re not strangled by new red tape. Blocking wind, solar, and batteries takes away most of what’s getting built. So where will the new power for AI come from if not from renewables and storage? AI’s Power Hunger Meets a Grid Bottleneck The White House’s own AI Action Plan says it plainly: “We must harness the full power of American innovation.” But there’s no details on how to harness enough electricity to make it happen. Meanwhile, AI developers are already building massive projects like Stargate in Abilene, a facility that will need 1.2 GW of power at launch and grow to 5 GW. For perspective: that’s more than the peak load of Austin, the 11th largest city in the U.S. How are they powering it? With a mix of wind, storage, and “incremental gas.” It’s pictured below. The market is showing us the path forward. Will policymakers follow? The Clock Is Ticking EIA projects Texas demand will grow 14% in 2026 (see below). Nationally, data centers and electrification are set to drive historic load growth. Without new renewables and storage, we face higher prices, weaker reliability, and missed economic opportunities… just as China adds 400 GW of clean energy in a single year. We don’t have 5–7 years to wait for next-gen nuclear. We don’t have a supply chain ready to churn out additional gigawatts of gas turbines overnight. We have renewables and storage. Or we will not have enough to win the AI race. There’s Still a Way Forward Here’s the good news: Developers can still add a lot of power in the next few years — if Treasury issues clear guidance and lets projects use existing credits before they expire. Congress already wrote this into law. The administration just needs to get out of the way. And yes, we should plan for what happens after credits expire. Permitting reform. Smarter integration of flexible loads. More diversified generation. But first, we have to stop kneecapping the solutions that are already working. This is a public episode. If you'd like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit www.douglewin.com/subscribe

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