Juggling Mind and Money

Steve Rowe and Jessica Schlupp-Taylor

Welcome to the Juggling Mind and Money Podcast with Steve Rowe and Jessica Schlupp-Taylor.Steve Rowe is the founder of Lucent Financial Planning and an award-winning independent financial planner. He helps you to use your money and have a great life. Jess Schlupp-Taylor is a psychologist supporting people through change, challenges and forks in the road of life.Together they will help you unblock the sludge in your mind, stopping you from achieving financial and psychological happiness.

  1. Jul 2

    Ep.42 Money that makes sense for families with special educational needs | Rhiannon Goff

    Send us Fan Mail In this episode, Steve is joined by Rhiannon Goff, founder of SENDA (Special Educational Needs and Disability Advisors) and a financial adviser with 26 years of experience, the last 10 of which she has spent working exclusively with families who have a child or relative with special needs. The traditional financial planning playbook assumes a future of independence: get money into the client's hands, maximise their inheritance, plan towards their retirement. For around one in five children in England, that playbook can quietly do harm. Inheritance can wipe out means-tested care. Junior ISAs that mature at 18 can disqualify someone from support. And money in the wrong hands can turn an already vulnerable person into a target. This episode looks at what financial planning actually has to look like when the person at the centre of the plan might be non-verbal, dependent on means-tested care, or at risk of exploitation — and why this work shouldn't sit on the periphery of the profession. In this conversation, you'll hear about: Rhiannon's personal route into the field via her 16-year-old son Tristan, who has complex autism and is non-verbal, and how that lived experience shaped her practice.The ARC framework — Access, Risk and Care — and why every special needs financial plan has to be tested against all three.Why the natural estate planning instinct (get the money to the child) can be the single most damaging move a family makes.The role of trusts in special needs planning, particularly discretionary and disabled or vulnerable person's trusts, and how they protect against the "three harms"."Mate crime" — financial exploitation by people who befriend a vulnerable person — and why protection has to be balanced against autonomy.Why Junior ISAs are usually the wrong vehicle for a child with complex needs, including a real-world story involving a car auction, four bangers and a cul-de-sac.Steve's lived experience as a brother to someone with similar needs, and how his family has navigated bank limits and the tension between protection and independence.The importance of building "a team to carry on" — solicitors, trustees, accountants, planners and family — before the parents' hand is forced.How to find the right professionals: looking for TEP (Trust and Estate Practitioner) members, vulnerable client experience, and links to professional trustee corporations.The launch of SENDA in 2024, the LIBF-accredited foundation course now available for financial planners, and the community Rhiannon is building to support both advisers and families.Rhiannon's closing call: be ambitious. Don't plan around what someone can't do — plan towards what they can.Key takeaway: Rhiannon's argument is that special needs planning isn't a niche corner of the profession — it's a field where standard financial planning instincts can actively cause harm if applied without thought. The damage is rarely about bad intentions; it's about gaps in knowledge, professionals working in silos, and well-meaning grandparents funnelling money into vehicles that quietly disqualify a young person from the care they need. The fix is genuine collaboration, the right qualifications, and a mindset shift towards ambitious, hopeful planning. Build the team while you still can, look forward not back, and signpost to the right specialist even if you're not one yourself.

    40 min
  2. Jun 18

    Ep.41 What Couples Get Wrong About Money | Sonya Lutter

    Send us Fan Mail In this episode, Steve is joined by Sonya Lutter, a researcher and money psychologist based at Texas Tech and the founder of the Institute for Systemic Financial Professionals. Sonya has spent years studying what actually happens inside couples and households when money turns up — and turns up the temperature. Most fights about money aren't really about money. They're about values, identity, and what we want our lives to mean. And yet the financial planning profession still spends most of its training time on investments, tax and retirement, while the human bit — the bit that decides whether any of the plan actually gets followed — usually gets a single course. This episode looks at why money sits so close to our sense of self, what the research actually says about couples, conflict and joint accounts, and the small, practical tools advisers and clients can use to make better long-term decisions rather than panicked short-term ones. In this conversation, you'll hear about: Sonya's accidental route into the field, from wanting to teach deaf children, to financial planning, to marriage and family therapy.Why the profession still underestimates psychology — and why "we haven't got time for that in a one-hour meeting" is the wrong answer.The research finding that how much a couple argues about money early in a relationship predicts long-term relationship satisfaction more reliably than later arguments do.Scott Rick's two-year study on couples and joint accounts: why being told to combine accounts measurably increased relationship satisfaction, while the other two groups declined.Why disparity in earnings — and especially women out-earning their husbands — is statistically associated with more money arguments and a higher divorce risk.The "values bullseye" exercise Sonya uses with couples who've spent decades skirting around the same disagreements, and how it turns vague conflict into a shared centre.The childhood roots of financial anxiety, and the research showing that hearing parents argue about money tracks into adult behaviour — while simply receiving an allowance largely doesn't.Why cold hands are a literal red flag for short-term decision-making: the fight-or-flight response routes blood away from the brain, and we end up agreeing to things we don't actually want.A practical "sandwich technique" for opening up emotional conversations with clients who came in to talk about investments and don't think they signed up for anything else.Why financial advisers carry more emotional weight than the profession admits, and why some form of study group, supervision or coaching is not optional once you're listening to people for a living.Key takeaway: Sonya's central argument is that the psychology of money has been approached haphazardly so far — a tool here, a technique there — without a proper framework. Money isn't just a preference like toothpaste or what to watch on TV. It's a near-direct reflection of values, identity and the family system someone grew up inside. The advisers and couples who do well are the ones who stop treating the emotional layer as a tangent and start treating it as the main event. And the tip Sonya leaves listeners with applies whether you're an adviser, a client or just a human being in a relationship: see a need, meet a need.

    57 min
  3. Jun 4

    Ep.40 - Why we crave certainty and Why money can’t give it to us.

    Send us Fan Mail In this episode, Steve and Jess talk about why our brains chase certainty, why money can't really deliver it, and how to build a financial and psychological life that bends with whatever comes. Certainty is one of those things almost everyone wants and almost no one can have. Our brains are wired to chase it, our spreadsheets pretend to deliver it, and politicians, advertisers and well-meaning financial guarantees all dangle versions of it in front of us. This episode looks at why that craving sits so deep, why money is a particularly bad place to look for it, and what a healthier relationship with uncertainty actually looks like in practice — across investing, careers, family life and the small daily routines that keep us functioning. In this conversation, you'll hear about: Why we crave certainty in the first place, and what evolutionary wiring has to do with predictable berries, hypervigilance and modern information overload.Morgan Housel's line that "the illusion of control is more persuasive than the reality of uncertainty", and why feeling in control often matters more than being in control.Alex Hormozi's idea that the wealth you build later in life depends on how much uncertainty you can put up with, and what that means for jobs, businesses and investing.Why guarantees in finance usually come at the cost of lower returns, and why money sat in the bank can quietly lose value to inflation.How to build a financial plan that's "bendy like the grass" (courtesy of one of Steve's clients), with cash buffers, diversification, stress testing and plans A through F.Why obsessing over forecasts and spreadsheets doesn't change the universe, and where that energy is better spent.How OCD, eating disorders and addictions can begin as attempts to feel in control before quietly taking control of the person instead.Practical ways to train your brain to sit with uncertainty: keep some routines to lower your mental load, then deliberately push your comfort zone in small ways like changing your route to work.A few tangents along the way, including Santorini photoshoots, a German sun-bed lawsuit, galloping horses in Morocco and whether tea is due a comeback.The closing reminder: "Ships are safe in the harbour, but that's not what ships are for."Key takeaway: The only real certainty is change, and trying to engineer guaranteed outcomes tends to cost you twice: once in the price you pay for the guarantee, and again in the smaller, duller life you have to live to keep things predictable. The healthier move is to control what's worth controlling (your coffee, your keys, how you load the dishwasher), then build enough flexibility into your financial plan, your mindset and your week that you can ride the wobbles instead of trying to flatten them. Plans A, B, C, D, E and F. A bit of jelly wobble is what makes the whole thing worth eating.

    46 min
  4. May 21

    Ep.39 - 21 Years in Business, One Big Wobble, and a Trip to Ibiza: Dan Sanders on Running a Small Business

    Send us Fan Mail Steve sits down with Dan Sanders, optician and founder of Perspective Opticians, for a candid look at what it really takes to run an independent business for 21 years. Dan opened his first practice in February 2005, aged 26, after deciding he didn't want to spend his career running people through the machine in a high street chain. What followed was a steep learning curve nobody had prepared him for. Three weeks in, with the bills landing and almost no one walking through the door, he came close to packing it in. He didn't. Three years later, he was finally able to draw a proper salary. In this episode, Dan and Steve talk through the parts of business ownership most people never see from the outside: the wobbles, the 4am worries, the cycles of high and low that hit every few years whether you want them to or not. Dan shares how a six-month notice to leave his old premises felt like a disaster at the time, and why it might end up being the best thing that's happened to the practice. They also get into the good stuff. The freedom to make a decision and just do it. The buzz of building a team that delivers. Winning a national independent award. Manifesting a big enough year to take the whole team to Ibiza. The quiet satisfaction of a client putting on a new pair of glasses and walking out a bit taller. Along the way they cover: The earthquake moments every business owner gets, and why the change forced on you usually moves things forwardWhy personal recommendations still beat almost every other form of marketingWorking with your spouse as a business partner, and the one rule that keeps it saneLooking after a team like family without burning out tryingWhy isolation is the silent killer for small business owners, and what to do about itThe hardest lesson Dan has learned in 21 years of tradingGoing private after COVID, and what changed for clientsWhy media doom and gloom rarely matches what's actually happening in your businessThere's also a real moment near the end where Dan talks about what working with Steve as his financial planner actually did for him, and it isn't what he expected when he walked in. If you're a small business owner having a wobble, or a couple of years in and wondering whether the highs will outweigh the lows, this one will land. A reminder that you're rarely as alone as it feels.

    49 min
  5. Apr 9

    Ep.36 How Your Financial Personality Shapes Every Money Decision | Greg Davies - Oxford Risk

    Send us Fan Mail Steve sits down with Greg Davies, Head of Behavioural Finance at Oxford Risk, for one of the most practically useful conversations the show has had.  Greg has spent 25 years studying how people actually make financial decisions, and the gap between that and how economists assume they do. They get into what financial wellbeing really means, why someone can be objectively wealthy and still live in a state of constant financial anxiety, and what advisors and clients can do about it.  Greg explains the difference between financial liquidity and emotional liquidity, and why most people who sell at the bottom of a market drop do so for emotional reasons, not financial ones. The episode also covers the obsession with portfolio optimisation and why chasing the perfect allocation often leaves people more exposed, not less. Greg walks through Oxford Risk's 10 financial personality types, the difference between risk tolerance and risk capacity, and why leaning too heavily on one number has caused real harm in financial advice. Towards the end, Greg shares his own Investor Constitution, the personal rules he follows to take decisions away from himself in high-pressure moments. Including one that stops him from making any investment moves during the week. If you work with clients, manage your own money, or struggle to stick with long-term plans when things get uncomfortable, this episode is worth your time.

    50 min

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Welcome to the Juggling Mind and Money Podcast with Steve Rowe and Jessica Schlupp-Taylor.Steve Rowe is the founder of Lucent Financial Planning and an award-winning independent financial planner. He helps you to use your money and have a great life. Jess Schlupp-Taylor is a psychologist supporting people through change, challenges and forks in the road of life.Together they will help you unblock the sludge in your mind, stopping you from achieving financial and psychological happiness.