Jung At Harp

Deborah Henson-Conant & Kathleen Wiley
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Jung at Harp – Where Music and Psyche Meet Join us most Fridays at 9:15 AM ET for Jung at Harp—a weekly conversation between composer Deborah Henson-Conant and Jungian analyst Kathleen Wiley exploring the deep connection between music, psychology, and self-expression. This series isn't about teaching, selling, or proving anything. It's about curiosity, exploration, and the art of conversation. What happens when a psychoanalyst and a musician discuss creativity, freedom, and the human experience? New ideas unfold, perspectives shift, and deeper understanding emerges. Jung at Harp began as a simple car ride conversation—one that neither wanted to end. Now, it's an ongoing dialogue, shared with the world, about how music and the mind shape each other and transform our lives.

  1. [220] Jung at Harp #220 Music: Presentation or Participation?

    6d ago

    [220] Jung at Harp #220 Music: Presentation or Participation?

    Why Listen? Is music meant to be a polished presentation in front of an audience—or a shared experience of participation, connection, and play? Where do these two ways of thinking about music come from, and how do they shape the way we learn, perform, and experience sound? In this episode of Jung at Harp, Jungian Psychoanalyst Kathleen Wiley and Grammy-nominated composer and performer Deborah Henson-Conant explore the tension between performance as perfection and music as participation. They look at how cultural expectations, training systems, and personal psychology influence whether we approach music as something to "get right" or something to enter into together. Through conversation, reflection, and curiosity, Kathleen and Deborah examine how these paradigms affect creativity, confidence, and joy in making music. They explore what is lost—and what is gained—depending on whether music becomes a presentation or a participatory experience, and how shifting that perspective can open new space for expression and connection. Join two harp players—Jungian Psychoanalyst Kathleen Wiley and composer/performer Deborah Henson-Conant—for another conversation where music, psychology, and everyday life come together in unexpected ways. Questions explored include: Is music about presentation or participation? Where do our ideas of "perfect performance" come from? How does audience expectation shape musical expression? What changes when music becomes collaborative instead of evaluative? Can mistakes become part of musical connection? How do we reconnect with joy in making music? Topics explored include: Performance anxiety and perfectionism Music education and cultural expectations Improvisation and collaboration Psychology of performance Creativity and self-expression Music as connection vs. display Join us for another conversation of discovery where music becomes a doorway into psychology, imagination, and deeper understanding. JungAtHarp.com

    45 min
  2. [219] Jung at Harp #219 Freeing Ourselves from the Inner Tyrant

    Jul 2

    [219] Jung at Harp #219 Freeing Ourselves from the Inner Tyrant

    Why Listen? How do we know when it's time to say no to the inner tyrant—and what does it actually take to declare freedom from the voices that keep us trapped? And once we begin to loosen their grip, what are the next steps toward a more open, authentic life? In this episode of Jung at Harp, Jungian Psychoanalyst Kathleen Wiley and Grammy-nominated composer and performer Deborah Henson-Conant explore the idea of the "inner tyrant"—that critical, controlling inner voice that pushes us, limits us, and often convinces us we are not enough. Together, they ask what it means to recognize this voice, question its authority, and begin the process of stepping beyond it. Through conversation, reflection, and curiosity, Kathleen and Deborah explore how inner pressure, self-judgment, and fear of failure shape our choices and identity. They look at what it takes to challenge these patterns, and how freedom may begin the moment we stop obeying the demands of our inner imprisoners. Join two harp players—Jungian Psychoanalyst Kathleen Wiley and composer/performer Deborah Henson-Conant—for another conversation where music, psychology, and everyday life come together in unexpected ways. Questions explored include: When do we recognize the voice of the inner tyrant? What does it mean to say "no" to it? Why do we internalize critical or controlling voices in the first place? How does the inner tyrant shape our decisions, relationships, and self-worth? What happens when we stop obeying it? What are the first steps toward psychological freedom? Topics explored include: The inner critic and Jungian psychology Self-sabotage and internalized pressure Freedom from perfectionism Identity, fear, and self-worth Emotional patterns and transformation Reclaiming inner authority and authenticity Join us for another conversation of discovery where music becomes a doorway into psychology, imagination, and deeper understanding. JungAtHarp.com

    42 min
  3. [218] Jung at Harp #218 Enough is enough! (or is it__)

    Jun 16

    [218] Jung at Harp #218 Enough is enough! (or is it__)

    Why Listen? When is enough truly enough—and why does it so often feel like it isn't? In this episode of Jung at Harp, Jungian Psychoanalyst Kathleen Wiley and Grammy-nominated composer and performer Deborah Henson-Conant explore the powerful and often challenging question of "enoughness." Why do so many of us feel the need to prove ourselves, defend ourselves, compare ourselves, or constantly strive for more? What happens when we begin to let go of that struggle? Through conversation, reflection, and curiosity, Kathleen and Deborah examine the emotional, psychological, and cultural forces that shape our sense of worth. Together, they explore what it means to feel enough, why that feeling can be so difficult to hold onto, and how releasing the need for constant validation may open the door to greater freedom and self-acceptance. Join two harp players—Jungian Psychoanalyst Kathleen Wiley and composer/performer Deborah Henson-Conant—for another conversation where music, psychology, and everyday life come together in unexpected ways. Questions explored include: When is enough truly enough? Why do we often feel like we are not enough? What drives the need to prove, disprove, or justify ourselves? How do expectations from family, culture, and society affect our sense of worth? What happens when we stop measuring ourselves against others? How can we develop a deeper sense of self-acceptance? Topics explored include: Jungian psychology and self-worth The search for validation and belonging Identity, expectations, and comparison Personal growth and self-acceptance Letting go of perfectionism Freedom, authenticity, and emotional well-being Join us for another conversation of discovery where music becomes a doorway into psychology, imagination, and deeper understanding. JungAtHarp.com

    39 min
  4. [217] Jung at Harp #217 What if Solar Consciousness were Feminine - instead of Masculine

    Jun 5

    [217] Jung at Harp #217 What if Solar Consciousness were Feminine - instead of Masculine

    Why Listen? What if the energy we associate with the sun, consciousness, and illumination were understood through a feminine lens rather than a masculine one? In this episode of Jung at Harp, Jungian Psychoanalyst Kathleen Wiley and Grammy-nominated composer and performer Deborah Henson-Conant explore a thought-provoking question: What if Solar Consciousness were feminine in nature instead of masculine? Across cultures and throughout history, the sun has often been associated with masculine qualities—power, authority, rationality, and leadership. But what new perspectives emerge when we imagine solar energy as feminine? How might this shift influence our understanding of psychology, creativity, relationships, spirituality, and personal growth? Through conversation, reflection, and curiosity, Kathleen and Deborah explore the symbolic meanings behind solar consciousness and examine the opportunities, possibilities, and insights that may arise from viewing it through a different archetypal lens. Join two harp players—Jungian Psychoanalyst Kathleen Wiley and composer/performer Deborah Henson-Conant—for another conversation where music, psychology, mythology, and everyday life come together in unexpected ways. Questions explored include: What is Solar Consciousness? Why has the sun traditionally been viewed as masculine? What qualities might define a feminine expression of solar energy? How do archetypes shape the way we understand ourselves and the world? What new possibilities emerge when we reconsider familiar symbols? How can changing symbolic perspectives influence creativity and personal growth? Topics explored include: Jungian psychology and archetypes Feminine and masculine symbolism Solar consciousness and self-awareness Mythology, culture, and collective imagery Creativity, identity, and transformation The relationship between symbolism and daily life Join us for another conversation of discovery where music becomes a doorway into psychology, imagination, and deeper understanding. JungAtHarp.com

    44 min
  5. [216] Jung at Harp #216 Collaboration_ What Does it Take

    May 29

    [216] Jung at Harp #216 Collaboration_ What Does it Take

    Collaboration: What Does it Take? | Jung at Harp Episode 216 Why Listen? Collaboration sounds simple in theory. People come together, share ideas, and create something meaningful. But what actually makes collaboration work? In this episode, Deborah Henson-Conant explores the challenges and rewards of creative collaboration, reflecting on what it takes to truly work together with another person. From music and performance to everyday relationships, collaboration asks for trust, communication, flexibility, and the willingness to listen beyond our own perspective. Join Grammy nominated composer and performer Deborah Henson-Conant for another thoughtful conversation about music, creativity, psychology, and life. Usually joined by Jungian Psychoanalyst Kathleen Wiley, who is currently on tour, Deborah continues the conversation by exploring questions many creatives and collaborators face: How do people with different ideas create something together? What happens when creative visions do not fully align? How do trust, ego, vulnerability, and communication shape collaboration? Through personal reflection and artistic experience, Deborah looks at collaboration not just as a creative process, but as a human one. Whether in music, relationships, teaching, or teamwork, collaboration often challenges us to stay open, adaptable, and present with others. Rather than focusing only on the final result, this episode explores what happens inside the process itself and why collaboration can sometimes teach us as much about ourselves as it does about the work we create together. Topics explored include: What makes collaboration successful Creativity and shared vision Trust, communication, and vulnerability Balancing individual expression with teamwork Listening as an essential creative skill The psychology behind working with others Join us for another conversation where music becomes a doorway into creativity, reflection, and life itself. JungAtHarp.com

    42 min
  6. [215] Jung at Harp #215 Which is Easier_ Composing or Improvising

    May 25

    [215] Jung at Harp #215 Which is Easier_ Composing or Improvising

    Which is Easier? Composing or Improvising? | Jung at Harp Episode 215 Why Listen? Music is music… right? But is composing the same as improvising? What really separates the two? And where do creativity, structure, instinct, and emotion fit into the process? In this episode, Deborah Henson-Conant explores the fascinating relationship between composing and improvising, reflecting on how music can emerge either from careful construction or spontaneous expression. Through personal stories, musical insight, and thoughtful reflection, this conversation opens the door to understanding creativity from two very different but deeply connected perspectives. Join Grammy nominated composer and performer Deborah Henson-Conant for a conversation about music, creativity, psychology, and life. Usually joined by Jungian Psychoanalyst Kathleen Wiley, Deborah continues today's discussion while Kathleen is away on tour, exploring questions that musicians, artists, and creators of all kinds often ask themselves: Do we discover music differently when we improvise versus when we compose? Is improvisation complete freedom, or does it require its own discipline and structure? And why do some people feel more comfortable creating in one form than the other? Drawing from years of performance and creative experience, Deborah reflects on the balance between preparation and spontaneity, structure and intuition, and how both composing and improvising can teach us something deeper about listening, confidence, and self expression. Topics explored include: The difference between composing and improvising Structure versus spontaneity in creativity Why improvisation requires discipline and trust How musicians develop confidence in creative expression The psychology of creativity and artistic process Listening, intuition, and discovering music in the moment Join us for another thoughtful conversation where music becomes a doorway into creativity, reflection, and life itself. JungAtHarp.com

    46 min
  7. [214] Jung at Harp #214 When There's Discord What's Missing?

    May 14

    [214] Jung at Harp #214 When There's Discord What's Missing?

    Jung at Harp | Episode 214: When There's Discord – What's Missing? Why Listen? What if discord isn't something to avoid, but something inviting us to pay closer attention? In this episode, Kathleen Wiley and Deborah Henson-Conant explore the idea that tension, conflict, and emotional dissonance may point toward something unseen, unheard, or missing beneath the surface. Through music, psychology, and personal reflection, they uncover how discord can become a doorway to deeper understanding, creativity, and connection. Join Jungian Psychoanalyst Kathleen Wiley and Grammy-nominated composer/performer Deborah Henson-Conant for a thoughtful conversation about music, psychology, creativity, and life. In this episode, Kathleen and Deborah explore the role of discord — not as something to instantly fix or silence, but as an important signal. Whether in relationships, music, creative work, or within ourselves, moments of tension often reveal unmet needs, missing perspectives, or parts of ourselves asking to be acknowledged. Drawing connections between musical harmony and emotional life, they reflect on how curiosity and listening can transform discomfort into discovery. Rather than rushing toward resolution, this conversation invites us to stay present long enough to hear what the discord may be trying to communicate. Topics explored include: The difference between eliminating discord and understanding it How tension can reveal what's missing beneath the surface Listening as a creative and emotional practice Musical dissonance as a metaphor for life and relationships Curiosity, reflection, and discovery through discomfort

    43 min
  8. [213] Jung at Harp #213 Our Relationship to Resistance and Discord

    May 8

    [213] Jung at Harp #213 Our Relationship to Resistance and Discord

    *]:pointer-events-auto scroll-mt-[calc(var(--header-height)+min(200px,max(70px,20svh)))]" dir="auto" data-turn-id= "request-69d88705-fbc8-839e-bbc8-8c3385c04777-1" data-testid= "conversation-turn-10" data-scroll-anchor="true" data-turn= "assistant"> Jung at Harp | Episode 213: Our Relationship to Resistance and Discord Why listen? What do we do when we encounter resistance—within ourselves, in our relationships, or in the creative process? And could discord actually have something important to teach us? In this episode, Kathleen Wiley and Deborah Henson-Conant explore the emotional and creative tension that arises when things don't flow smoothly. From musical dissonance to personal conflict, they unpack how resistance can challenge us, shape us, and sometimes even guide us toward transformation. Discord is often something we try to avoid or resolve quickly—but in music and in life, tension can create movement, depth, and meaning. This conversation looks at how discomfort, friction, and uncertainty may actually be essential parts of growth and expression. Rather than seeing resistance as failure, what if we learned to listen to it differently? In this episode, you'll discover: Why resistance often appears during periods of growth The creative role of discord and tension in music and life How discomfort can reveal deeper truths and emotions Ways to work with resistance instead of against it How conflict and contrast can lead to transformation and clarity Join two harp players—a Jungian psychoanalyst and a composer/performer—for a thoughtful conversation about music, psychology, and life. 🕘 Live at 9:15-ish EST on most Fridays 🎧 Watch and listen: JungAtHarp.com

    44 min
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Jung at Harp – Where Music and Psyche Meet Join us most Fridays at 9:15 AM ET for Jung at Harp—a weekly conversation between composer Deborah Henson-Conant and Jungian analyst Kathleen Wiley exploring the deep connection between music, psychology, and self-expression. This series isn't about teaching, selling, or proving anything. It's about curiosity, exploration, and the art of conversation. What happens when a psychoanalyst and a musician discuss creativity, freedom, and the human experience? New ideas unfold, perspectives shift, and deeper understanding emerges. Jung at Harp began as a simple car ride conversation—one that neither wanted to end. Now, it's an ongoing dialogue, shared with the world, about how music and the mind shape each other and transform our lives.

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  • Creator
    Deborah Henson-Conant & Kathleen Wiley
  • Years Active
    2025 - 2026
  • Episodes
    84
  • Rating
    Clean
  • Copyright
    © 2023
  • Show Website
    Jung At Harp