Just Thinking...

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Welcome to "Just Thinking...", a podcast where education is not just a profession, but a passion. Hosted by Kevin Dougherty, a seasoned educator with 40 years of experience, this show dives into the heart of educational discussions. Each episode of "Just Thinking..." invites educators, administrators, and thought leaders to share their insights, experiences, and ideas about the evolving landscape of education.

  1. 5D AGO

    Continuous Improvement in Education: If You Want Different Outcomes, Change the System

    School systems across the country are under mounting pressure to improve student outcomes while navigating shifting standards, staffing shortages, and rising expectations around accountability. Yet many reform efforts fall short because they are fragmented and short-term. According to Learning Forward’s Standards for Professional Learning, sustained and job-embedded professional learning is linked to improved educator practice and student outcomes. The stakes are high because surface-level change rarely leads to lasting results. Continuous improvement in education requires disciplined, collaborative work that produces measurable impact over time. How can district and school leaders ensure that their improvement efforts lead to measurable gains rather than temporary reform? On this episode of Just Thinking, host Kevin Dougherty sits down with Dr. Michelle Bowman, the Senior Vice President of Networks & Continuous Improvement at Learning Forward. They explore how continuous improvement in education strengthens professional learning and drives sustainable results. The conversation unpacks how leaders can move beyond compliance-driven professional development and build cultures rooted in reflection, collaboration, trust, and evidence-based decision-making. In this episode, they discuss: Disciplined improvement cycles – How continuous improvement in education provides a structured process for defining problems, testing change ideas, and measuring real impact.Networked collaboration – Why learning communities accelerate growth by allowing educators to build on shared insights rather than starting from scratch.Standards-aligned systems change – How Learning Forward’s 2025 Standards for Professional Learning create the conditions necessary for sustainable and measurable improvement.Dr. Michelle Bowman is Senior Vice President of Networks and Continuous Improvement at Learning Forward, where she leads national strategies that support state and local education agencies in redesigning professional learning systems. With 30 years in public education, she has served as a mathematics teacher, curriculum director, dean of instruction, and executive director of professional learning, driving large-scale implementation of professional development and continuous improvement initiatives. Bowman earned her Ed.D. in Learning and Organizational Change from Baylor University, where her research examined the impact of inter-district communities of practice on leader efficacy, and she has contributed to industry publications and co-authored work on professional development in the digital age.

    32 min
  2. FEB 20

    Resilience, Reinvention, and the Relentless Pursuit of Growth: Larry North’s Journey from Fitness Icon to Private Equity Leader

    Entrepreneurship is being glamorized in real time. Social media highlights overnight wins, AI tools promise instant scale, and private equity is reshaping industries at a rapid clip. Yet behind every “success story” is something far less flashy: failure, adaptability, and the discipline to keep going when life hits hard. According to the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics, over 20% of small businesses fail within their first year—and nearly half within five years. The stakes are real, and resilience isn’t optional. So what actually separates those who break through from those who burn out? Is it talent, luck, or something deeper—perhaps vision, adaptability, and the willingness to learn from failure? Welcome to Just Thinking. In the latest episode, host Kevin Dougherty sits down with Larry North, Operating Partner at Rise Run Capital and former nationally recognized fitness entrepreneur, to explore what it truly takes to build—and rebuild—success across decades. From a turbulent childhood shaped by adversity to a 42-year career in fitness and a bold pivot into private equity, North shares the mindset shifts and life lessons that defined his journey. What you’ll learn… How hope and vision can override a lack of money, education, or support.Larry North explains how belief in his future helped him move forward despite financial limitations and little formal direction. Instead of waiting for perfect conditions, he chose action and trusted he would figure it out along the way. Why failure—13 publisher rejections and a shelved infomercial—is often the precursor to breakthrough success.North shares how major setbacks became setup moments. By adjusting, refining, and staying persistent, he turned early failures into long-term wins. The power of relationships, forgiveness, and lifelong learning in sustaining both business and personal success.He highlights the importance of surrounding yourself with the right people, continuing to grow, and letting go of resentment. For North, lasting success is built on strong relationships and constant self-improvement. Larry North is an Operating Partner at Rise Run Capital and licensed broker who sources, evaluates, and raises capital for businesses, building on a successful 40-plus-year career in the fitness industry before transitioning into private equity. As the founder of Larry North Fitness, he built multiple health clubs, authored three bestselling books—Get Fit, Living Lean, and Slim Down for Life—hosted a 32-year talk radio show, and created the globally successful Great North American Slimdown infomercial, which generated more than $150 million in revenue. A speaker, media personality, and Richland College Wall of Fame inductee, North brings proven entrepreneurial leadership, brand-building expertise, and deep relationship capital to his investment work.

    29 min
  3. 12/17/2025

    Just Thinking… About Applying Military Discipline and Decision-Making to Entrepreneurial Growth with Kris Groves

    Career transitions rarely follow a straight line—especially for people coming out of the military. For many veterans, the challenge isn’t discipline or work ethic, but figuring out how deeply technical, high-stakes experience translates into civilian industries that speak a very different language. As more service members step into entrepreneurship, the real question becomes less about if the skills transfer and more about how. What does it take to move from life-or-death decision-making in the military to building, testing, and scaling a marketing business in the real world? Welcome to Just Thinking. In the latest episode, host Kevin Dougherty talks with Kris Groves, President of PassPass, about his unconventional path from Naval Special Warfare into entrepreneurship and marketing. Their conversation explores how critical thinking, risk assessment, and personal development—sharpened over years in the Navy—now guide everything from product strategy to customer acquisition in a fast-growing consumer platform. Key highlights… How Kris’s experience in Navy Explosive Ordnance Disposal shaped the way he evaluates risk, consequences, and decision-making in business.Why PassPass focuses on experiential, hyperlocal marketing—using giveaways and scavenger hunts to drive real foot traffic, engagement, and first-party customer data.Why personal development, self-awareness, and pushing beyond comfort zones were critical to Kris’s transition from military service to entrepreneurship.Kris Groves is the President of PassPass, a viral giveaways and experiential marketing platform that connects brands and consumers through high-impact, hyperlocal campaigns. A retired U.S. Navy Special Operations veteran, he brings 14 years of leadership, risk assessment, and operational decision-making experience into business, sales, and marketing. Across prior executive roles, Kris has driven more than $60 million in sales, expanded products into international markets, and built high-performing teams across consumer, retail, and growth-focused organizations.

    30 min
  4. 12/03/2025

    Just Thinking… About How Career and Technical Education Can Keep Up With AI and Automation

    Automation and AI aren’t arriving someday—they’re already reshaping factory floors, logistics hubs, and technical workplaces right now. That shift is putting schools, especially Career and Technical Education (CTE) programs, on the spot: the jobs students are training for are evolving faster than most curricula. In its Future of Jobs Report 2025, the World Economic Forum finds that 39% of workers’ core skills are expected to change by 2030, a massive reset driven by AI, automation, and industry transformation. With that level of skills churn, training students to merely operate today’s equipment isn’t enough—the stakes are about building adaptable human intelligence for a future that won’t sit still. So what does industry actually need from the next generation of technicians, and how should schools evolve now to prepare students not just for their first job, but for the shifting decades ahead? In this episode of Just Thinking, host Kevin Dougherty sits down with Aaron Paul, Vice President of Sales at Advanced Technologies Consultants (ATC). Their conversation ranges from what industry partners are demanding right now, to how CTE programs can build transferable, durable problem-solving skills, to the role of human intelligence in a world increasingly shaped by AI. They also explore the need for closer collaboration between schools and industry, and why educators—especially in CTE—deserve stronger support and incentives. Key points from the episode: Industry needs critical troubleshooters more than routine operators. Aaron explains that automation-heavy workplaces value technicians who can diagnose and fix systems quickly—because downtime can cost thousands or even millions per minute.CTE programs must teach foundations before showcasing realism. While “industry-look” labs are exciting, Aaron argues the real priority is helping students understand systems deeply enough to transfer skills across different technologies and future workplaces.AI belongs in classrooms as a tool that amplifies humanity. Instead of waiting for perfect policies, Aaron urges schools to start teaching AI in line with how local industries use it—while reinforcing human strengths like reasoning, creativity, and judgment.Aaron Paul is the Vice President of Sales at Advanced Technologies Consultants (ATC) with Meteor, where he has spent the last 18 years helping schools and training centers build programs aligned to industry demand. ATC provides learning systems, equipment, and curriculum that develop workforce-ready skills for in-demand careers, especially in automation, manufacturing, and advanced technical trades. Paul works closely with industry partners nationwide, giving him a front-row seat to the evolving skills gap—and how education can respond to it.

    23 min
  5. 12/03/2025

    Just Thinking… About How Rapid Shifts in AI and Policy Are Elevating the Need for Educator Advocacy in Texas Schools

    Schools today are navigating a whirlwind of change, from new expectations in the job market to the growing influence of AI and the constant push to rethink accountability. That’s why conversations about educator advocacy matter so much right now. Texas, for example, ranks among the lowest ten states in per-pupil funding—even while boasting the seventh-strongest economy in the world—highlighting the growing urgency for stronger public-school investment and a louder, more influential educator voice. So, how do educators influence the systems that shape their classrooms—and how can their voices help build a more equitable future for students across diverse communities? Welcome to Just Thinking. In the latest episode, host Kevin Dougherty sits down with DeAnn Lee—former teacher, principal, superintendent, and now Regional Advocacy Director for Raise Your Hand Texas—to explore the power of educator advocacy, the role of students in shaping public policy, and the profound importance of relationships in schools. Their conversation spans accountability, local needs, student voice, future readiness, and the hope that fuels the work of public-education champions everywhere. What you’ll learn… Why educator advocacy matters now more than ever, especially in a state where local workforce needs vary dramatically across regions.How accountability systems must evolve to reflect real-world skills like critical thinking, collaboration, and adaptability—not just standardized test scores.The transformative impact of student voice, from advising district decisions to influencing state legislators with thoughtful, community-minded perspectives.DeAnn Lee is an experienced education leader and advocate with more than three decades of service spanning teaching, special education supervision, federal programs management, and district leadership—including five years as Superintendent of Millsap ISD. She currently serves as the Regional Director of Advocacy & Outreach for Raise Your Hand Texas, where she leverages deep expertise in policy, funding, accountability, and educator engagement to strengthen public education across East Texas. A past State President of the Association of Texas Professional Educators, Lee has represented over 110,000 members at state and national levels, advocating for the needs of Texas’ five million students and the professionals who serve them.

    33 min
  6. 10/17/2025

    Just Thinking... About How NeuraPoints Is Building the Bridge Between Minds and Machines

    Artificial intelligence has reached a crucial inflection point. Once imagined as a fast track to artificial general intelligence, the field has instead hit a plateau—prompting leaders, educators, and innovators to rethink AI’s true purpose. As companies and schools race to adopt automation, questions about cost, ethics, and human purpose are rising to the forefront. According to a 2024 Deloitte report, over 40% of organizations admit they’re still struggling to define and measure the real impact of their generative AI initiatives. So, how can organizations and individuals make AI work with human intelligence, rather than in place of it? What would it look like to approach AI as a cognitive partner instead of a replacement? In this episode of Just Thinking, host Kevin Dougherty speaks with Jared McClure, CEO and Founder of NeuraPoints, about reimagining AI as a tool for human augmentation, not substitution. Together, they explore how AI can enhance thinking, creativity, and organizational effectiveness when grounded in cognitive frameworks rather than machine mimicry. Top insights from the talk… Human Intelligence as the Driver of AI: McClure argues that AI’s evolution depends on human cognition, noting that “AI is a master pattern finder, but it can’t generate new meaning without us.”Cognitive Frameworks Bridge the Gap: Through NeuraPoints’ system—built on Dr. David Hyerle’s research—users can visualize and code their thinking in digital space, offering a new nonlinear approach to thought representation.From Fear to Partnership: Instead of fearing obsolescence, McClure says leaders should see AI as “a suit of armor” that amplifies human potential, ushering in a symbiotic future where technology augments our ability to think and create.Jared McClure is a seasoned executive and entrepreneur with over 20 years of experience leading technology and AI-driven companies. As CEO and Founder of NeuraPoints and Pria.ai, he specializes in applying cognitive science and machine learning to drive innovation, efficiency, and business growth. Known for building high-performing teams and delivering strategic, data-informed solutions, McClure’s career centers on bridging human intelligence with technology to revolutionize education and enterprise productivity.

    31 min
  7. 10/10/2025

    Just Thinking… About How NeuraPoints Equips Students and Teachers to Think Critically and Stay Engaged

    Teachers today are facing a new reality: students have instant access to AI tools that can generate answers in seconds. The share of American teens using ChatGPT for assignments has climbed to 26%—twice as many as just two years ago. That shift raises urgent questions about how education should adapt for a generation that has never known a world without on-demand digital answers. Meanwhile, the latest national assessment reveals another challenge—student reading comprehension remains below expectations, despite years of focus on content coverage. So, how do educators balance the need to “cover content” with the deeper imperative to equip students with transferable thinking skills—and ensure they remain engaged in a world of information overload? Welcome to Just Thinking. In the latest episode, host Kevin Dougherty, Chief Marketing Officer at NeuraPoints, sits down with Dawn M. Bailey, M.Ed., an experienced educator, trainer, and advocate for learner-centered practices. Together, they explore how NeuraPoints—an instructional framework rooted in five core cognitive processes—helps teachers and students alike make content meaningful, build metacognition, and thrive in an AI-shaped future. What you’ll learn… Beyond content coverage: Why today’s learners, especially Gen Alpha, need inquiry-based prompts, visual tools, and connections to personal relevance in order to sustain engagement.AI as a magnifier, not a disruptor: How AI highlights long-standing gaps in critical and creative thinking, and why empowering students to question, compare viewpoints, and identify bias matters now more than ever.The lead learner model: Why teachers who position themselves as “lead learners” alongside students can build trust, agency, and curiosity in ways that transform classrooms.Dawn M. Bailey, M.Ed., is an experienced educational leader, consultant, and literacy specialist with expertise in curriculum design, differentiated instruction, and gifted education. She has held leadership roles as a principal, district coordinator, and gifted/talented coordinator in North Texas, and currently serves as an adjunct professor at Dallas College. A doctoral candidate researching school leadership and student achievement, Bailey brings both practical classroom experience and research-based strategies to help educators elevate rigor, engagement, and student success.

    38 min
  8. 09/30/2025 · VIDEO

    Just Thinking… About How to Bring Out the Best in Educators and Learners with Dr. Amy Alzina

    Across classrooms today, student engagement is proving to be one of the strongest predictors of success. Learners who feel connected and motivated in school are not only more likely to excel academically but also more likely to approach the future with confidence and optimism. As artificial intelligence and other emerging tools reshape what’s possible in education, the challenge is clear: how can schools use innovation to deepen engagement and critical thinking rather than diminish it? So, how can schools harness new tools like AI to elevate—not replace—the essential human work of teaching and learning? On this episode of Just Thinking, host Kevin Dougherty welcomes Dr. Amy Alzina, Superintendent/Principal of the Cold Spring School District in Santa Barbara. Together, they discuss what it takes to nurture balance, innovation, and community in education, from cultivating a garden classroom to leading AI task forces. The main topics of discussion… How educators can balance proven practices with emerging technologies to prepare students for rapid change. Why vulnerability and transparency in leadership foster trust, growth, and authentic collaboration. How project-based learning and community engagement—from AI workshops to hands-on gardens—empower both students and parents as lifelong learners. Dr. Amy Alzina is an accomplished educational leader with more than two decades of experience driving student achievement and innovation in California public schools. As Superintendent/Principal of the Cold Spring School District since 2017, she has led the district to top statewide performance on CAASPP assessments and earned both the California Distinguished School and Exemplary Arts in Education Awards. Previously, as Principal of Adams Elementary in Santa Barbara, she transformed the school’s performance and reputation by implementing data-driven instruction, technology integration, and community partnerships, garnering national recognition including the ESEA Distinguished School Award.

    27 min

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Welcome to "Just Thinking...", a podcast where education is not just a profession, but a passion. Hosted by Kevin Dougherty, a seasoned educator with 40 years of experience, this show dives into the heart of educational discussions. Each episode of "Just Thinking..." invites educators, administrators, and thought leaders to share their insights, experiences, and ideas about the evolving landscape of education.