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Unlike every other security podcast, we don’t get stuck down in the technical weeds. Our remit is to speak with experts around the globe at the strategic level – how security technology can improve the experience and risk optimisation for every organisation. The Voice of Cyber® - In Partnership with Vanta

  1. 3d ago

    Episode 375 Deep Dive: John Deeb | Governance Theater - Why Your AI Policy Is Really Just a Set of Documents

    John leads customer success, presales, and professional services across APAC at Workato and serves as Field CTO for the region. With more than twenty-five years of experience, including roles at Oracle and TIBCO and as co-founder of Rubicon Red, he focuses on helping enterprises unlock real, lasting value from AI and integration. In this episode of KBKast, John joins KB to unpack why 42% of AI initiatives were abandoned in 2025, up from 17% the year before, and why the answer isn’t the technology. It’s trust. John explains why AI is a bigger deal than cloud ever was: what used to be storage and processing is now decision and action inside core enterprise systems. He takes aim at “governance theater,” the steering committees and policy documents that create a feeling of control while nobody can actually see what an agent is doing. And he lands the warning every security leader needs to hear: you got away with over-provisioning access for humans, because humans never went looking. Agents will. Also covered: the tokenomics panic, 700% month-on-month cost blowouts, why AI shouldn’t re-map a purchase order every single time, who owns the agent when things go wrong, and why a central control plane is the only way to govern agents at scale. Keywords: AI agents, agentic AI, AI governance, governance theater, enterprise AI, AI security, control plane, observability, MCP, tokenomics, AI cost management, AI strategy, CISO, agent permissions, Workato, shadow AI, AI ROI, autonomous agents

    40 min
  2. Jul 1

    Episode 374 Deep Dive: Mark Jones | The Department of No Is Over - Why Cyber Has to Lead AI Adoption

    Mark Jones is Co Founder of MosaicalAI and has spent more than 25 years working across cybersecurity, technology risk, governance and resilience in complex environments where decisions need to be defensible and the cost of getting it wrong is high. His work sits at the intersection of security, business leadership and change. He helps organisations understand risk, build capability in their people, create practical operating models, and move with confidence when technology is changing faster than traditional governance can keep up. Today, Mark’s work is focused on AI. At MosaicalAI, he helps Australian organisations rebuild how teams work for the agentic era. His view is that every team runs on three things: people, technology and data, but most teams are still operating on a model built before AI. MosaicalAI maps how a team works today, builds the agentic version beside it, then rebuilds it with them. Mark’s approach is AI native and cybersecurity driven. He does not start with tools or generic productivity use cases. He starts with the team, the workflow, the data, the controls, the risks and the decisions that matter. The goal is practical AI capability that the organisation owns, understands and can govern. Cybersecurity is MosaicalAI’s first proof point because it is where AI adoption gets real quickly. Cyber teams already understand risk, evidence, accountability, control and resilience. When they use AI to improve triage, reporting, exposure management, control mapping, evidence gathering and decision support, they are better placed to guide safe AI adoption across the broader business. Mark believes AI cannot simply be bolted onto an organisation. It needs ownership, guardrails, evidence, accountability, resilience and control from day one. He is a Certified Information Security Manager and Certified Information Systems Security Professional, combining practical executive experience with globally recognised security credentials.

    40 min

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Unlike every other security podcast, we don’t get stuck down in the technical weeds. Our remit is to speak with experts around the globe at the strategic level – how security technology can improve the experience and risk optimisation for every organisation. The Voice of Cyber® - In Partnership with Vanta

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