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Ken Okonek

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    #59: Entrepreneurship Beyond Unicorns: Passion, Failure, and Fixing Mental Health with David Crane

    Entrepreneurship Beyond Unicorns: Passion, Failure, and Fixing Mental Health with David Crane   Ken Okonek interviews veteran entrepreneur David Crane about myths of entrepreneurship, emphasizing that most founders are middle-class people working 80–100 hours and should pursue passion over money. Crane shares his healthcare-focused career, advice on finding passion by intersecting what you love with what you’re good at, and the importance of research, coachability, and building advisory teams to improve odds in a space where most startups fail. He describes learning through failure, managing founder anxiety by stepping out of the weeds, and the challenges of rapid growth. Crane explains his healthcare ventures focused on communication and care coordination, and his pivot into mental health after his sons’ struggles during COVID, including ListenRing for on-demand urgent mental health therapy and a peer-support platform for parents. Both discuss stigma, employer underuse of mental health resources, and giving back through volunteering.   00:00 Welcome and Guest Intro 00:45 Entrepreneurship Beyond Unicorns 02:31 Myths and Realities of Startups 03:42 Chase Passion Not Money 04:54 Finding Your Passion Sweet Spot 09:38 Turning Ideas Into Action 11:30 Overcoming Paralysis by Analysis 15:48 Failure as a Business Requirement 18:05 Advisory Boards for Growth 19:07 Healthcare Roots and First Venture 22:21 Care Coordination and Communication 23:18 Mental Health Pivot and New Platforms 27:41 Peer Led Advice 29:37 Liz Finds Support 31:15 Stigma And Pay 34:04 Workplace Stigma 36:07 EAP Not Used 37:59 Founder Anxiety 41:48 Panic Coping Skills 43:19 Owner To CEO 46:58 Managing Growth 50:02 Purpose And Giving 52:06 Wrap And Subscribe

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