Klimatic Scale

Klimatic Group

Klimatic Scale is a show about commercial scale in energy, built environment, and mobility innovation - the sectors core towards reaching net zero goals in Europe. So why are we stalling? Join award-winning ecosystem builders Aneri and Dash as they discuss best ways to scale with industry leaders, entrepreneurs, and experts. We cover: 1. Success stories and what works from pilot to scale 2. Specific industry cases & success stories, dissected and analyzed 3. What works best for speedy commercialization to get to net zero klimaticgroup.substack.com

Episodes

  1. Adventurous Giants (4/4 Venture Tools Chapter)

    FEB 9

    Adventurous Giants (4/4 Venture Tools Chapter)

    In this episode of Klimatic Scale, Dash speaks with Erik Wirsing, a logistics innovation veteran who has implemented dozens of startups into corporate operations. Drawing from decades in leadership roles, Erik breaks down the practical reality of corporate venturing. How to scale a startup solution across 100 countries, navigate internal politics, and convince both the C-suite and warehouse workers that change is worth it. Erik shares hard-won lessons on when to use venture clienting vs. venture building, why German companies struggle to kill projects, and the critical mistake that made employees reject a self-driving bus they initially loved. Here’s one question to set the scene: Should you fall in love with a technology first, or find the pain point first? 👉 Listen to find out why Erik completely reversed his approach. This is the last of four episodes in the Venture Tools Chapter of Klimatic Scale, where we focus on venture clienting and venture building as the most practical innovation tools for climate-critical industries to move beyond pilots and into real-world impact. Both corporate and startup listeners can take valuable insights from real cases. 1:00 From toy trucks to autonomous driving: Erik’s logistics DNA13:00 The corporate venturing toolbox: clienting, building, CVC17:30 Push vs. pull: why “cool technology” doesn’t scale21:00 Stakeholder mapping: from board to shop floor27:00 Budget reality: who pays after the pilot ends?30:00 Business case drivers: cost savings vs. new revenue36:00 How to pitch to corporates Connect with Erik if you want to continue the conversation - he’s currently exploring new adventures in corporate venturing! This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit klimaticgroup.substack.com

    40 min
  2. Fleeting Spark (3/4 Venture Tools Chapter)

    JAN 26

    Fleeting Spark (3/4 Venture Tools Chapter)

    In this episode of Klimatic Scale, Dash speaks with Jelle Goertz, co-creator of inno2fleet, a venture building success case at the intersection of energy and mobility, built by inno2grid together with Schneider Electric. Jelle dives right into the details of what it actually took to turn a corporate fleet electrification challenge into a scalable business. He touches on how the inception happened, who was involved, how the first customers were acquired, and more. Here’s one question to set the scene. What do you think: 👉 Listen to the episode to find out. This is the second of four episodes in the Venture Tools Chapter of Klimatic Scale, where we focus on venture clienting and venture building as the most practical innovation tools for climate-critical industries to move beyond pilots and into real-world impact. Both corporate and startup listeners can take valuable insights from real cases. 1:00 The fleeting spark: how inno2fleet began3:30 From idea to first customer6:40 The key decision makers10:30 It takes a village14:00 What unlocked adoption18:30 Go-to-market lessons: one specific fail22:00 Where the money came from25:30 Scaling the venture without getting slowed down29:30 Jelle’s advice for venture builders Connect with Jelle if you want to continue the conversation! This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit klimaticgroup.substack.com

    33 min
  3. Time to Build? (1/4 Venture Tools Chapter)

    JAN 8

    Time to Build? (1/4 Venture Tools Chapter)

    In this episode of Klimatic Scale, Dash speaks with Alexander Soechtig, COO of inno2grid, a Berlin-based venture builder operating at the intersection of energy, mobility, and built environment. Drawing on more than a decade of hands-on experience, Alexander breaks down how venture building actually works in practice: when it makes sense to build a venture outside the core business, when to integrate early, and when to consciously not build at all. The conversation describes concrete decision criteria, real failure signals, and examples of ventures that successfully made it to market. This is the first of four episodes in the Venture Tools Chapter of Klimatic Scale, where we focus on venture clienting and venture building as the most practical innovation tools for climate-critical industries to move beyond pilots and into real-world impact. Both corporate and startup listeners can take valuable insights from real cases. 1:00 Alex’s path into venture building3:40 When venture building is the right tool (and when it’s not)6:30 The secret ingredient of energy ventures9:50 Case deep dive14:25 Kill your darlings: which ideas should not become ventures18:20 Red flags and rookie mistakes in corporate venture building22:27 Where the money comes from26:50 What success looks like and more examples Connect with Alex if you want to continue the conversation! This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit klimaticgroup.substack.com

    32 min
  4. 10/28/2025

    Scaling Energy Tech with Siemens Energy

    Siemens Energy Ventures works with a variety of young companies, bringing their expertise, ideas and new technology into our organization and scaling them up for impact. Siemens Energy is present in 90 countries and covers the entire energy landscape - from conventional to renewable energy, from grid technology and storage to the electrification of complex industrial processes. Their mission is to support companies and countries with what they need to reduce greenhouse gas emissions and make energy reliable, affordable, and sustainable. Connect with Jaydeep Naha on Linkedin and read more about the partnership described in the podcast in Siemens Energy blog here. 00:00 - Introduction and Jaydeep’s foray into energy2:12 - Siemens Energy Challenges3:46 - Venture Building vs Venture Clienting6:00 - Success stories and scaling with Anybotics8:44 - the process behind scaling12:58 - Digitalization priorities for Siemens15:25 - Advice for Startups Like this episode? Subscribe to get notified about the next one! Robotics Powering Digital Transformation Robotics innovations are driving a profound transformation within the European energy sector, as companies embrace advanced automation, collaborative partnerships, and data-driven solutions to meet climate, efficiency, and reliability goals. Recent developments, including Siemens Energy’s approach and multiple partnership successes, reveal several essential trends and strategic priorities shaping the future of energy in Europe. European energy companies now integrate advanced robotics and artificial intelligence across operations to unlock efficiency and operational resilience. These systems handle inspections, predictive maintenance, and asset management—often in hazardous locations or around the clock—dramatically reducing safety risks and downtime while optimizing resource allocation. Quadruped robots, wall-climbing machines, and autonomous drones regularly monitor assets in complex industrial environments, supporting creation of digital twins and enabling early fault detection at scale. The EU’s strategic focus on climate action, digital transformation, and industrial competitiveness makes it fertile ground for robotics innovations in energy. Through open innovation, collaborative funding, and robust ecosystem-building, European companies can rapidly test, scale, and deploy the latest technologies while meeting ambitious regulatory, safety, and sustainability benchmarks. A key lesson echoed by leaders in the industry: the real breakthroughs come from forging trusted, mutually beneficial partnerships—combining the strengths of large corporates and nimble startups. It is not the technology alone, but the ability to scale it across borders, business units, and use cases, that delivers lasting impact. Partnering with specialist robotics startups, rather than building solely in-house, allows for flexible and rapid innovation. Siemens Energy’s approach exemplifies this: its venture arm collaborates with startups to bring “digital brains” to robots, speeding up deployment, enhancing adaptability, and reducing the time and cost to reach market readiness. Leveraging the expertise and R&D of external partners ensures even the most sophisticated autonomy solutions are robust, reliable, and readily scalable across geographies and business lines. Market Trends: Ecosystems and Agile Adoption Several market trends stand out: * Open Innovation: Energy leaders are actively fostering innovation ecosystems that integrate solutions from both internal teams and external startups. This collaborative approach helps rapidly address technical challenges and build multifaceted, future-proof robotics platforms. * Scalable Pilots and Expansion: Pilots begin in one location or domain—often power generation or transmission—and then scale rapidly if successful, crossing both business units and national borders. The underlying robotics platforms are designed for adaptability, enabling efficient rollout in diverse technical and regulatory environments. * Flexible Business Models: Robotics-as-a-Service (RaaS) and hybrid service models are increasingly adopted, shifting robotics from capex-heavy investments to pay-as-you-go operational solutions. This not only democratizes access for smaller operators but aligns incentives for continuous improvement from solution providers. * Human Expertise and Digital Enablement: Contrary to fears of job loss, digital and robotics adoption often addresses acute talent shortages. Many European energy companies lack sufficient specialized expertise for complex, remote, or high-risk sites—robots and AI agents step in to supplement human skills, not replace them. Robotics and AI are establishing themselves as core enablers of the European energy sector’s ongoing digital transformation. Their adoption is driven not by abstract technological promise, but by pragmatic goals—safety, efficiency, resilience, and sustainability. Companies that embrace collaborative innovation, scalable business models, and people-centric transformation will shape the future of energy in Europe, ensuring robust progress toward decarbonization and energy security. This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit klimaticgroup.substack.com

    21 min
  5. 07/17/2025

    Scaling Energy Tech with Enpal

    Enpal was founded in 2017 with the goal of making renewable energy accessible to everyone and thus finally achieve the energy transition in Germany. Offering a complete package comprising a solar system, power storage, electric car charging station, and heat pump, Enpal intelligently networks it’s solution via it’s Enpal.One energy manager, to make clean energy transitions possible in the home. Enpal is also a leader in virtual power plant technology and is on its way to becoming the largest virtual power plant in Europe. Connect with Dr. Wolfgang Gründinger on Linkedin. 00:00 Introduction and Wolfgang’s personal journey6:53: Energy as national security imperative10:30: Story of Enpal from startup to scaleup15:33: Enpal’s solution to training the installation workforce18:30: Enpal’s B2B strategy22:11: How Enpal works with newer startups26:00: Advice for energy startups28:29: Next 15 years for Enpal Like this episode? Subscribe to get notified about the next one! The Innovation Case for Scaling Heat Pumps: Powering the Net-Zero Transition As the world accelerates toward net-zero emissions, heat pumps are a cornerstone technology for decarbonizing heating and cooling. This sector accounts for nearly half of global energy consumption and more than forty percent of energy-related carbon dioxide emissions. The innovation case for scaling heat pumps is compelling, driven by their efficiency, versatility, and transformative potential across homes, businesses, and industries. Heat pumps sales growth rate, 2020-2021 Source: IEA (2022), Heat pumps sales growth rate, 2020-2021, IEA, Paris https://www.iea.org/data-and-statistics/charts/heat-pumps-sales-growth-rate-2020-2021, Licence: CC BY 4.0 Why Heat Pumps Matter Traditional heating relies heavily on fossil fuels, locking in carbon emissions and perpetuating energy insecurity. In contrast, heat pumps use electricity to transfer heat from sources like air, water, or industrial waste, delivering efficiencies far beyond direct electric or combustion-based systems. For every unit of electricity consumed, modern heat pumps can deliver three to five units of heat—dramatically reducing both energy use and emissions. In Germany, heat pumps were installed in approximately 69.4% of new homes completed in 2024, with nearly 74.1% of new detached and semi-detached houses and 45.9% of new apartment blocks using this technology as their primary heating source. However, in the existing building stock, only about 5% of German homes have a heat pump, while around 80% are still heated with oil or gas,. Across the EU, heat pump adoption varies significantly; for example, Norway and Finland have reached about 50% heat pump penetration in residential buildings, but Germany lags with just 11 heat pumps sold per 1,000 households in 2023, ranking 17th among 21 European countries surveyed. Annual heat pump installations in the European Union, 2021-2030 Source: IEA (2022), Annual heat pump installations in the European Union, 2021-2030, IEA, Paris https://www.iea.org/data-and-statistics/charts/annual-heat-pump-installations-in-the-european-union-2021-2030, Licence: CC BY 4.0 Heat pumps offer a unique advantage because they provide both heating and cooling. As global temperatures rise and demand for cooling increases, this dual capability becomes even more valuable. The flexibility of heat pumps positions them as a key solution for both current and future climate challenges. Industrial and Large-Scale Innovation Recent technological advances have demonstrated that heat pumps are not limited to low-temperature residential use. Large-scale and high-temperature heat pumps can now reach output temperatures up to one hundred fifty degrees Celsius and beyond. This innovation unlocks new possibilities for decarbonizing industrial processes such as distillation, pasteurization, and steam generation. For example, Siemens Energy is developing units that deliver up to seventy megawatts of thermal output and steam at up to two hundred seventy degrees Celsius. These capabilities meet the demanding needs of heavy industry and district heating. This progress is essential because industry accounts for almost three-quarters of energy consumption in processing heat. By integrating with waste heat sources, such as data centers, factories, or biogas plants, industrial heat pumps can transform what was once discarded energy into valuable, low-carbon heat. Systemic Benefits and Grid Integration Heat pumps do more than just decarbonize heat. They also add resilience and flexibility to the broader energy system. When thousands of heat pumps are aggregated into virtual power plants, they can provide grid balancing services. This means shifting demand to periods of low electricity prices or high renewable output. Smart integration of heat pumps helps stabilize the grid, supports the uptake of renewable energy, and can generate revenue for heat pump owners. As electricity grids themselves decarbonize, the climate benefits of heat pumps will continue to grow. Over time, any remaining fossil gas use can be replaced with renewable options, which will further reduce emissions. Policy, Economics, and the Path to Scale Scaling heat pumps to the levels needed requires more than just technological innovation. According to the International Renewable Energy Agency, the world will need nearly eight hundred million additional units by 2050, a fourteen-fold increase. Achieving this goal depends on several factors. Heat pump capacity in buildings by country and region in the Announced Pledges Scenario, 2021-2030 Source: International Energy Agency (IEA). Heat Pump Capacity in Buildings by Country and Region in the Announced Pledges Scenario, 2021–2030. Paris: IEA, 2022. https://www.iea.org/data-and-statistics/charts/heat-pump-capacity-in-buildings-by-country-and-region-in-the-announced-pledges-scenario-2021-2030. Licensed under CC BY 4.0. First, strategic public and private partnerships are essential. Governments can set clear targets, reform energy pricing, and de-risk investments, while manufacturers continue to innovate and drive down costs. Second, financial incentives and supportive regulation can accelerate adoption, especially in district heating and industrial sectors. Grants, rebates, and streamlined permitting processes make a significant difference. Third, innovation in deployment models is making heat pumps more accessible and attractive. Modular, factory-built systems and digital platforms for aggregation are helping to lower barriers to entry. Companies like Enpal in Germany are pioneering integrated clean energy solutions by bundling heat pumps with solar panels, battery storage, and EV chargers—all managed through a digital platform and offered via subscription-based models that eliminate upfront costs. This approach lowers both financial and technical barriers to adoption, while using smart energy management systems to optimize performance. Fourth, workforce development and consumer engagement are critical. Training installers and informing end-users ensures that the benefits of heat pumps are widely understood and realized. Challenges and the Road Ahead Despite the promise, challenges remain. Upfront costs, especially in retrofits, can be high, and supply chains must scale rapidly to meet demand. Achieving high temperatures efficiently often requires multi-stage systems and careful integration with existing processes. However, ongoing innovation in refrigerants, compressors, digital controls, and system design is steadily overcoming these barriers. Change in buildings heating energy demand in the Announced Pledges Scenario, 2021-2030 Source: IEA (2022), Change in buildings heating energy demand in the Announced Pledges Scenario, 2021-2030, IEA, Paris https://www.iea.org/data-and-statistics/charts/change-in-buildings-heating-energy-demand-in-the-announced-pledges-scenario-2021-2030, Licence: CC BY 4.0 Conclusion: A Mission-Oriented Innovation Agenda The case for scaling heat pumps is not just technical or economic. It is a societal imperative. By embracing a mission-oriented approach that leverages public ambition and private ingenuity, we can accelerate the roll-out of this key technology. This will slash emissions—by up to 500 million tonnes globally per year by 2030, boost energy security, and create new industries and jobs. Heat pumps are more than a green upgrade. They are a linchpin of the clean energy transition. At the household level, they can cut heating-related emissions by 30% to 75%, depending on the fuel being replaced and the grid's carbon intensity. Scaling their deployment across residential, commercial, and industrial sectors is an innovation imperative—and an opportunity we must seize. This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit klimaticgroup.substack.com

    33 min
  6. How Corporate Venture Clienting Scales Energy Technologies

    06/19/2025

    How Corporate Venture Clienting Scales Energy Technologies

    Verbund is Austria's leading energy company and one of the largest producers of electricity from hydropower in Europe. Verbund AG generates, transmits, trades, and distributes electricity, primarily from renewable sources such as hydro, biomass, wind, and solar. The company operates power plants, manages electricity transmission networks, and supplies energy to household, commercial, and industrial customers in Austria and several other countries. Verbund describes itself as an integrated energy utility, covering the entire value chain from electricity generation and transmission to supply and trading, including activities in both electricity and gas markets. Its operations also include the expansion of renewable energy, energy storage, and the development of green hydrogen solutions. VERBUND X is the Innovation Unit of Austria's largest electricity provider. The Corporate Innovation & New Business' department coordinates these efforts, ensuring transparency and facilitating interactions among various stakeholders. Follow them to get updates on applying to their next batch application cycle! 00:00: Opening1:13: How Lisa got into venture clienting6:13: How travel and exposure to energy access got Lisa (and Aneri) interested in energy solutions9:50: How Verbund works with startups and Verbund Accelerator15:46: What working with startups through venture clienting has taught Lisa22:27: How venture clienting can also provide insights for investing and acquisitions24:57: Innovation challenges Verbund is seeking solutions in27:28: How startups can contact Lisa and pitch Verbund30:00: Stay tuned for more episodes!Connect with Lisa Krotochwill on Linkedin. Like this episode? Subscribe to get notified about the next one! This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit klimaticgroup.substack.com

    31 min
  7. 05/07/2025

    Introducing Klimatic Scale

    00 - 4:10: Who are Aneri and Dash?4:10 - 8:30: Do startup prizes work?8:30 - 11:09: What is innovation theater? 11:09 - 16:17: Death by pilot16:17 - 17:27: Global experience17:29 - 21:22: What is venture clienting?21:22 - 26:41 : Can European business meet its climate goals? 26:41 - 29:07: Why databases are overrated29:07 - 31:26: What to expect in Klimatic Scale Podcast series 𝗪𝗵𝗮𝘁 𝗱𝗼𝗲𝘀 𝗶𝘁 𝗺𝗲𝗮𝗻 𝘁𝗼 𝗯𝗲 𝗮 𝗰𝗹𝗶𝗺𝗮𝘁𝗲 𝗲𝗰𝗼𝘀𝘆𝘀𝘁𝗲𝗺 𝗯𝘂𝗶𝗹𝗱𝗲𝗿? It helps to remove binary implementer and investor bias when thinking about how to create an innovation hub. In biology, ecosystem is the full network that underpins a healthy environment. The interaction and connectivity between the elements, plants, animals, and humans that enables everyone to thrive. When one part is impacted, the ramifications can be felt everywhere. In innovation, the ecosystem is the full network that underpins a healthy innovation ecosystem. The interaction and connectivity between entrepreneurs, investors, customers, corporates, academia, government, and civil society enables everyone to thrive in collaboration. Add the word climate, and the same applies but to new climate technologies or approaches. As an ecosystem builder, the goal is to nurture the network, accelerate interactions, and help innovation flourish. Aneri and Dash are two experienced ecosystem builders who have joined forces to scale climate tech solutions across Europe. We are unsettled by this chart below, which we have directly seen in our experience in accelerating climate and impact startups. For all the talk about accelerating climate solutions, why are they still stuck at the Experimenting/Piloting stage? After all, electrification and renewables have been around a lot longer than AI. What is Venture Clienting? Venture Clienting is a term we only learned of this year, but also neatly describes the process of embedding startup technologies to scale within a corporate or government. Many B2B startups worry about a lengthy decision-making process, which ultimately might result them running out of cash waiting for payment. For startups, urgency is needed. Corporates, however, can take their sweet time dealing with long feedback loops and several levels of hierarchy. Buyers don’t like this either - they want fast and efficient processes that don’t delay their projects. Venture Clienting is a new practice, particularly in Europe, where corporates embed inside their innovation teams startup scouts. Rather than wait for startups to approach them, they actively look for startups to collaborate with based on niche topics. Venture Clienting focuses on becoming early adopters or customers of startup products, providing a quicker, lower-risk approach but with limited financial upside.Venture Clienting, though a newish term, has taken many different forms: * Open Innovation challenges: A corporate works with an ecosystem builder to generate call for applications from companies seeking pilots with them. For example: Amazon Devices Climate Tech Accelerator with MIT Solve, Asahi Sustainability Growth Platform with Antler, Towngas Energy TERA Award with New Energy Nexus China, and multi-Utility program Free Electrons with Beta-i. * Corporate internal innovation teams: an internal team that direct startup engagement and support to various internal business units. See Siemens Energy Ventures, E.On Innovation, BSH Home Appliances, and Honda Innovations as examples. * Commercialization Accelerators: Nonprofits or Firms/Agencies create commercialization accelerators that help startups through the deployment valley of death, particularly with corporate clients. This is especially important for climate tech where raising early on without market traction is common. It is also from our assessment, where European startups are at most risk of failing, as the startup ecosystem in Europe is more mature at the earlier stages of a startup’s journey. * Prizes: We recently attended a talk where a Chairman of one of the largest German corporates was speaking. Dash asked him, “what is the best way for startups to collaborate meaningfully with you?” His answer “we host many innovation prizes and challenges that startups can apply to”. We get it. Corporates love prizes for startup collaboration - it’s good PR, fun for employees to work on, and increases morale. The prize competition format engages their employees in meaningful ways and it’s fun to operate. However for startups, not so much. Typically a startup has to spend hundreds of hours to compete in the competition, even at the CEO founder level. Just for the chance to win an introduction to the right people at the corporate and the dangling of a potential contract. When runways are short and startups have to show traction to their investors, it’s tempting to land a big corporate by spending a lot of time to win such a contest. But this was not how business was done for many years - SMEs have long been contractors for corporates. So what’s changed? Sales are not done via a gimmicky pitch contest. It’s done through building relationships and trust. Klimatic Scale aims to get to the heart of it - building relationships and trust to get to net zero faster. This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit klimaticgroup.substack.com

    32 min

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Klimatic Scale is a show about commercial scale in energy, built environment, and mobility innovation - the sectors core towards reaching net zero goals in Europe. So why are we stalling? Join award-winning ecosystem builders Aneri and Dash as they discuss best ways to scale with industry leaders, entrepreneurs, and experts. We cover: 1. Success stories and what works from pilot to scale 2. Specific industry cases & success stories, dissected and analyzed 3. What works best for speedy commercialization to get to net zero klimaticgroup.substack.com