The Leading Below the Surface Podcast with LaTonya Wilkins

LaTonya Wilkins

Honest conversations on leadership, emotional strength, and human connection in a chaotic world. Hosted by LaTonya Wilkins—award-winning executive coach and author of Leading Below the Surface—this podcast explores inclusive leadership, psychological safety, and personal growth. Whether you’re a leader, coach, or simply navigating life with intention, you’ll walk away with real tools to lead and live more authentically. Learn more at changecoaches.io.

  1. FEB 2

    Ep 65: Why Many Leaders and Coaches Feel Ready for Something Different

    In this solo episode, LaTonya Wilkins explores a feeling many leaders, coaches, and consultants are quietly naming right now: the sense that traditional leadership frameworks and learning models no longer meet the complexity of today’s world. Drawing from recent client work, leadership development experience, and conversations across industries, LaTonya unpacks what’s no longer working, what leaders are truly craving, and why presence, trust, and community matter more than ever in this moment. This episode offers reflection prompts and a grounded invitation to consider how leadership and coaching must evolve beyond transactional approaches. 🎥 Prefer to watch? This episode is also available on YouTube with chapters: https://www.youtube.com/@changecoaches/podcasts Episode Chapters & Key Moments [00:00] Why leaders feel ready for something new Naming the collective feeling many leaders and coaches are experiencing Why this isn’t burnout or lack of skill [02:45] What’s no longer working in leadership development The limits of frameworks, checklists, and box solutions Why ROI-driven models fall short in today’s environment [07:20] The realities leaders are navigating right now Constant reorganization, overload, and shifting expectations What gets lost when everything becomes a priority [12:10] What leaders are actually craving Presence, trust, hope, courage, and community Why adaptability alone isn’t enough [17:05] From information to experience Why information is no longer the currency The power of containers, practice, and self-authorship [22:30] Community at work and why it matters The role of connection, psychological safety, and belonging What happens when leaders don’t have space to process [27:40] What works at this stage of leadership Presence as a practice Trust built in real time through listening and empathy [32:10] Reflection questions for leaders and coaches What are you craving differently right now? What no longer works for you? [36:00] Coaching Below the Surface and what’s next Creating containers for leaders and coaches Upcoming March 2026 pods and organizational offerings Calls to Action 🔹 Explore Coaching Below the Surface™ (ICF-approved): https://changecoaches.io/coaching-below-the-surface/ 🔹 Follow Change Coaches on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/change-coaches 🔹 Connect with LaTonya Wilkins on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/latonyawilkins/

    18 min
  2. JAN 27

    Ep 64: Trauma-Informed Coaching—What It Is, and What We Often Get Wrong with Lion Goodman

    What does it really mean to be trauma-informed—and why does this matter far beyond therapy? In this deeply personal and educational episode, LaTonya Wilkins sits down with Lion Goodman, coach, author, and founder of the Clear Beliefs Institute, who shares his incredible story of surviving being shot in the head four times—and how that life-altering moment shaped his approach to healing and leadership. Lion breaks down the difference between surface-level coaching and therapeutic coaching, how trauma shows up even in “successful” people, and how we can begin to unhook the past to truly move forward. Whether you’re a coach, a leader, or someone who wants to support others more skillfully, this conversation is rich, grounded, and unforgettable. 🔗 Learn more about Coaching Below the Surface: https://changecoaches.io/coaching-below-the-surface/ 📲 Connect on LinkedIn: Change Coaches: https://www.linkedin.com/company/change-coaches LaTonya Wilkins: https://www.linkedin.com/in/latonyawilkins/ 🎥 Watch this episode on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@changecoaches/podcasts 📝 Timestamps + Summary [00:00] Welcome and how LaTonya met Lion Goodman Connection at ICF Converge and why Lion’s work stood out Meaning behind the name “Lion” and his Leo identity [12:00] A near-death experience that changed everything Lion recounts being shot four times and surviving The experience deepened his spiritual and professional journey [21:10] When coaching falls short without addressing trauma Clients often loop when past wounds go unexamined Lion begins to integrate deeper healing techniques [28:20] What it means to unhook a belief Beliefs are formed through experience, not logic Memory reconsolidation can rewrite core identity structures [38:00] Psychedelics and trauma work Powerful for deconstructing beliefs—but dangerous without integration Coaches must be trained to guide responsibly [44:10] Coaching vs. therapy: how they overlap and differ Coaches walk with you, but must know how to help offload trauma Why trauma-informed doesn’t mean “doing therapy” [48:00] Common mistakes when talking about trauma Overgeneralizing what trauma is—or avoiding it altogether Coaches need to clear their own trauma to avoid projection [51:30] Where to start with trauma-informed support Ask “what’s underneath that?” to go deeper Be grounded, breathe, and avoid judgment when holding space Tags: Trauma Informed Coaching, Lion Goodman, Therapeutic Coaching, Executive Coaching, LaTonya Wilkins, Leading Below the Surface, Coaching Below the Surface, Psychological Safety, Memory Reconsolidation, Coaching and Trauma, Psychedelic Integration, Clear Beliefs Method, Coaching Tools, Executive Development, Limiting Beliefs, ICF Accredited, Personal Growth, Coaching Conversations, Coaching Podcastand

    43 min
  3. JAN 7

    Ep 63: How to Reflect on a Year of Quiet Growth — and Move Forward With Intention

    Show Notes In this episode of Leading Below the Surface, I reflect on the lessons that quietly shaped my year — not through big milestones or dramatic changes, but through slower growth, healing, and learning to listen more closely to my body and intuition. Rather than setting rigid goals, I share why I’ve been leaning into intentions and clarity, supported by science around behavior change, visualization, and motivation. We explore what it means to set “soft stretch” goals that are ambitious but achievable, why manic manifesting can actually work against us, and how progress often unfolds more slowly — and more sustainably — than we expect. I also talk openly about endings, healing, and the quiet shifts that signal real growth, even when it doesn’t look loud from the outside. This episode is an invitation to pause, reflect, and enter the next chapter with more intention and less urgency. If you’re someone who feels called to move forward thoughtfully — not frantically — this conversation is for you. This episode is also available on YouTube. You can watch and subscribe to the Leading Below the Surface Podcast on the Change Coaches YouTube channel, where we’re focusing our energy moving forward. Key Themes & Takeaways Why intentions can be more effective than rigid goal-setting The science behind “soft stretch” goals and sustainable motivation How visualizing challenges (not just success) supports real behavior change The difference between intentional growth and manic manifesting Why the next step forward is often already in front of you How endings create space for healing and clarity What quiet growth looks like — and why it still counts Reflection Prompts from the Episode What is your body telling you that you may be overriding or ignoring? Where might you be forcing progress instead of allowing it to unfold? What endings — habits, roles, relationships, or expectations — may be asking for your attention? Listen, Watch, and Connect 🎧 Listen on Apple Podcasts or Spotify 📺 Watch the full episode on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@changecoaches/podcasts 🔗 Coaching Below the Surface: https://changecoaches.io/coaching-below-the-surface/ 🔗 Change Coaches on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/change-coaches 🔗 LaTonya Wilkins on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/latonyawilkins/ 🔗 Full Article on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/what-2025-taught-me-letting-go-healing-trust-latonya-wilkins-udscc

    30 min
  4. 11/24/2025

    Ep 62: Breaking Dominant Leadership Standards: From Big Tech to Conscious Living with Executive Coach Kvon Tucker

    PODCAST DESCRIPTION In this candid episode of Leading Below the Surface, LaTonya Wilkins sits down with executive coach and Consciously CEO Kvon Tucker to talk about what it really takes to break away from dominant leadership standards – especially inside big-name companies like Netflix, Amazon, and Google. Kvon shares how a suicidal depression in his late 20s became a turning point, why he ultimately walked away from a “dream” tech career, and how he and his family ended up in Costa Rica designing a more human, spiritually aligned life. Kvon unpacks the dangerous mix of hypergrowth, fear-based leadership, and ego-driven cultures – and what it looks like to lead consciously instead, in a way that centers love, liberation, and human wellbeing. This is a below the surface conversation about work, worth, ego, redemption, and the kind of leadership our world actually needs right now. EPISODE SUMMARY In this conversation, we explore: How Kvon’s mental health crisis woke him up to a life and career he didn’t actually choose. His path through Netflix, Amazon, and Google – and what was really happening beneath the “best places to work” branding. The “dark triad” traits that often get rewarded in dominant leadership cultures, and why they’re so harmful. Hypergrowth vs. natural growth: why the pace that works for business often breaks human bodies. Three practices Kvon recommends for anyone who wants to lead more consciously: meditation, healing work (like therapy), and coaching. ABOUT OUR GUEST – KVON TUCKER Kvon Tucker is an executive coach and the CEO of Consciously, a coaching and consulting company that helps leaders build more conscious, human-centered organizations. Before founding Consciously, he led manager and leadership development at companies including Netflix, Amazon, and Google. Today, Kvon coaches leaders around the world as they navigate identity shifts, burnout, and the desire to lead in a way that’s more aligned with their values, spiritual growth, and real life. He lives in Costa Rica with his wife and daughter. KEY INSIGHTS Dominant leadership standards are often built on fear, hypergrowth, and ego – not love, wellness, or liberation. Big-name “dream companies” can simultaneously offer incredible opportunities and deeply misaligned cultures. Both can be true. Hypergrowth works for revenue, but it’s usually unsustainable for human nervous systems and family life. Many leaders are waking up to the fact that the path they’ve been on is no longer serving them – there’s a real shift in collective consciousness happening. Ego isn’t always “bad.” It can be redirected toward growth and impact when we’re aware of it and in relationship with it. You can’t be serious about liberation if you’re not serious about practices that help you know yourself – like meditation, therapy, and coaching. LEARN MORE: If this conversation resonated, here are a few ways to go deeper: Work with Kvon or learn more about his work Website: https://consciously.one LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/kvontucker Explore Coaching Below the Surface (ICF-approved coach training) Learn more about the Coaching Below the Surface program and upcoming cohorts: https://changecoaches.io/coaching-below-the-surface/ Work with LaTonya & Change Coaches Learn about keynotes, leadership development, and coaching for executives and teams: https://changecoaches.io Connect with LaTonya & Change Coaches LaTonya on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/latonyawilkins/ Change Coaches on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/change-coaches Listen & follow the podcast Follow “Leading Below the Surface” wherever you listen to podcasts, and share this episode with someone who’s questioning dominant leadership standards or reevaluating their own path.

    41 min
  5. 11/03/2025

    Ep 61: Webinar Replay —Grounded Leadership: Daily Mental Health Rituals for Uncertain Times

    In this special replay of a Change Coaches Community Event, we explore how to stay mentally, emotionally, and physiologically grounded while leading in uncertain times. Blythe Landry — therapist, trauma specialist, and author of Trauma Intelligence — joins LaTonya to share real-world, accessible mental health practices that help leaders thrive without burning out. You’ll hear discussion, guidance, and tools rooted in science, nervous-system awareness, grief work, and Below the Surface leadership. We also uplift wisdom from the community members who joined live — demonstrating the power of connection and shared learning. This isn’t self-care theory. It’s practical, lived resilience for today’s world. Episode Highlights Why uncertainty fuels stress — and how leaders can respond with grounding, not urgency The role of micro-rest, boundaries, and intentional recovery Tools to reconnect with your body and calm your nervous system Emotional hygiene habits and rituals to keep you steady How to support others without carrying their emotional load The restorative power of nature, community, and mindful movement What it looks like to lead like a human — not a machine  Key Insights • Leaders can’t control chaos — but they can control rituals, structure, and presence • Nervous system literacy is leadership literacy • Rest isn’t indulgent — it’s strategic • Community care is a resilience multiplier About Today’s Guest: Blythe Landry Blythe Landry, MSW, MEd, LCSW, is a nationally recognized trauma and grief therapist, author of Trauma Intelligence, and founder of Grief to Purpose, a program supporting individuals healing from loss. She brings 25 years of experience helping people transform grief and adversity into grounded strength and connection. Learn more about Blythe at BlytheLandry.com 🔗 Links & Resources • Learn about Coaching Below the Surface™ https://changecoaches.io/coaching-below-the-surface/ • Join our community events list https://changecoaches.io/community • Connect with LaTonya on LinkedIn https://www.linkedin.com/in/latonyawilkins/ • Learn more about Change Coaches https://changecoaches.io If today’s conversation resonated, share it with someone who leads with heart and is navigating uncertainty. To deepen your practice and connect live with other values-driven leaders, join our community events list — we’d love to see you in the room next time.

    21 min
  6. 10/06/2025

    Ep: 60: Everyday Mental Health Practices for Leadership and Life (with Dr. Caroline Adelman)

    In a world that increasingly feels uncertain — and at times, broken — how do we stay grounded as leaders and human beings? In this powerful conversation, LaTonya Wilkins sits down with Dr. Caroline Adelman, clinical psychologist, coach, and founder of Chicago Psychotherapy, to explore what it truly means to lead and live well amid chaos. Together, they uncover how chronic stress, disconnection, and unpredictability shape our lives — and how we can rebuild connection through everyday mental health practices that actually work. Dr. Adelman shares evidence-based techniques rooted in therapy and neuroscience that help leaders regulate emotions, create stability, and bring real compassion into the workplace. Whether you’re leading a team, a business, or just trying to stay grounded yourself, this conversation offers practical wisdom for navigating a complex, broken world — one human moment at a time. Connection — not control — is the foundation of resilience. Stress disconnects us from ourselves, others, and what matters most; awareness and intention reconnect us. Leaders don’t need to have all the answers, but they do need to show care, humility, and hope. Simple rituals — listening, check-ins, walk-and-talks — can transform workplace wellbeing. Human-centered leadership is the antidote to fear-based systems. Dr. Caroline Adelman, PhD, is a clinical psychologist, coach, and founder of Chicago Psychotherapy. She completed her PhD at the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill and fellowships at the Yale Child Study Center. She previously served on the clinical faculty at Northwestern University and has spent over fifteen years helping children, adults, and professionals navigate anxiety, trauma, and transitions. Dr. Adelman’s work integrates evidence-based therapy with compassion, humor, and authenticity. She’s a frequent speaker and consultant on resilience, wellness, and leadership. To learn more, visit ChicagoPsychotherapy.com/dr-caroline-adelman.  Resources Mentioned Leading Below the Surface (2nd Edition): leadingbelowthesurface.com LaTonya’s article “The Relationship Between Psychological Safety and Accountability”: changecoaches.io/the-relationship-between-psychological-safety-and-accountability 🎧 Listen & Subscribe: changecoaches.io/podcast 🔗 Follow LaTonya Wilkins on LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/latonyawilkins 🔗 Follow Change Coaches: linkedin.com/company/change-coaches 🌐 Learn more about our work: changecoaches.io

    44 min
  7. 09/22/2025

    Ep 59: Dominant Leadership Standards: Why They’re Failing Us

    Authoritarian, fear-based leadership might seem loud and everywhere—but that doesn’t mean it’s working. In this solo episode, LaTonya Wilkins, award-winning executive coach and author of Leading Below the Surface (second edition out Sept. 30), unpacks why dominant leadership standards—rigidity, perfectionism, and toxic meritocracy—are failing organizations today. Drawing on Chapter 2 of her book, LaTonya contrasts authoritarian and relational leadership, shares personal insights from the field, and explains why relational leadership is the future in an era of mental health challenges, AI disruption, and broken systems. She also teases upcoming guest conversations on mental health and conscious leadership. If you’ve been told to “toughen up” or “lead with fear” to get results, this episode will give you evidence, strategies, and courage to lead differently. Authoritarian leadership OwlCast episode referenced: Spotify Apple Key Insights: Dominant leadership standards (rigidity, fear, optics) are outdated and erode innovation and psychological safety. Authoritarian leadership thrives on fear and appears louder than it is—but relational leadership creates sustainable performance. Relational leadership is essential as workplaces face unprecedented challenges and employees bring their whole selves to work. Situational leadership and coaching cultures are powerful relational tools that drive inclusion, collaboration, and trust. Sticking with relational leadership—even when pressured to adopt authoritarian tactics—pays off in alignment, creativity, and resilience. Let's Stay in Touch: Subscribe/Follow: Apple Podcasts, Spotify, and Change Coaches YouTube Channel to catch every episode. Leave a Review or Share: If this episode resonated, leave a review on Apple Podcasts or Spotify, and share it with a colleague or friend. Explore More: Visit LeadingBelowTheSurface.com and ChangeCoaches.io for book updates, keynotes, workshops, and coaching. Book Talks: Want a Leading Below the Surface book talk for your team? Email info@changecoaches.io to schedule—limited slots each month. Connect with LaTonya: LinkedIn — share your thoughts or let her know how relational leadership is showing up in your world. Next Episode Preview: Don’t miss next week’s conversation on Everyday Mental Health Practices for Leadership and Life—practical ways leaders can support wellness in a world that feels broken.

    24 min
5
out of 5
6 Ratings

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Honest conversations on leadership, emotional strength, and human connection in a chaotic world. Hosted by LaTonya Wilkins—award-winning executive coach and author of Leading Below the Surface—this podcast explores inclusive leadership, psychological safety, and personal growth. Whether you’re a leader, coach, or simply navigating life with intention, you’ll walk away with real tools to lead and live more authentically. Learn more at changecoaches.io.