Learn, Make, Learn

Ernest Kim, Joachim Groeger
Learn, Make, Learn

Learn, Make, Learn is two product geeks sharing qualitative & quantitative perspectives to help you make, better. Hosted by Ernest Kim and Joachim Groeger.

  1. Off-the-Cuff Smörgåsbord

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    Off-the-Cuff Smörgåsbord

    E & J return from a spring hiatus to discuss a range of topics, from WWDC 2025 to the Era of the Business Idiot, and more. WATCHES & WONDERS – 04:09 Don DeLillo: Cosmopolis IWC Presents A Plethora Of New Ingenieur Watches How The Pursuit Of Status Shapes Our Aesthetics The Nomos Club Sport Neomatik Worldtimer NOMOS Lounge, New York City TAG Heuer Formula 1 - They got it wrong! SLATE AUTO – 22:52 Slate Auto Reveal Event Customer service satisfaction of EV owners lower than ICE vehicles Kia, Build This EV Overland Camper Van! Top Gear: The Indestructible Toyota Hilux (full episode) WWDC 2025 – 33:49 From Skeuomorphic to Liquid Glass How the Graphical User Interface was Invented WWDC 1997: Steve Jobs Q&A (tense exchange at 50:25) Bill Gates: “Internet Tidal Wave” Apple study challenges whether AI models truly “reason” DISCORD & COMPLEXITY – 54:29 How Discord Indexes Trillions of Messages Ink & Switch Quiet RECS – 01:03:28 The Era Of The Business Idiot Better Offline podcast ‘Andor’ Season 2 UConnPopCast Rebecca Solnit: Men Explain Things to Me What Makes Art ‘Left Wing’? The Rehearsal CLOSING – 01:22:00 **** Rant, rave or otherwise via email at LearnMakeLearn@gmail.com or on Threads @LearnMakeLearnShow. CREDITS Theme: Vendla / Today Is a Good Day / courtesy of www.epidemicsound.com Drum hit: PREL / Musical Element 85 / courtesy of www.epidemicsound.com

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  2. Off-the-Cuff: AI Nonsense & More!

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    Off-the-Cuff: AI Nonsense & More!

    We return from hibernation to talk AI nonsense, critique the review industrial complex, promote a return to RSS, and share a raft of recommendations! JOACHIM ON AI NONSENSE – 01:52 Previous Discussion of Humane AI (starts at 18:34) Humane Set to Brick $700 ‘AI Pins’ I outsourced my memory to an AI pin and all I got was fanfiction Ben Thompson: DeepSeek FAQ Previous Discussion on LLMs & Constraints (starts at 02:33) “Low-Resource” Text Classification ERNEST ON THE REVIEW INDUSTRIAL COMPLEX – 09:41 Motor Trend: 2021 MINI Cooper SE America’s Commute to Work Is Getting Longer (paywall) CNET: 2022 Mini Cooper SE James Hoffmann’s reviews Sigma BF Review: Beautiful Foolishness By contrast ... I took 1,000 photos with the Sigma BF GxAce YouTube channel Chris Harris on the Mercedes-AMG A45 S How Ferrari Spins IMPLICATIONS FOR PRODUCT CREATORS? – 26:07 Americans Are Obsessed With the Wrong Trucks TELO MT1 Remembering Nike’s Sandy Bodecker JOACHIM ON RSS & MORE – 31:37 Inoreader Catherine Shannon: Your phone is why you don’t feel sexy Tracy Durnell: In praise of the hundred page idea In Praise of Shadows Kenya Hara: White Timothy Snyder: On Tyranny Harry G. Frankfurt: On Bullshit Perfect Days Perfect Day (Komorebi Version) SHOULD WE START A DISCORD? – 41:22 CLOSING – 42:02 **** Rant, rave or otherwise via email at LearnMakeLearn@gmail.com or on Threads @LearnMakeLearnShow. CREDITS Theme: Vendla / Today Is a Good Day / courtesy of www.epidemicsound.com Drum hit: PREL / Musical Element 85 / courtesy of www.epidemicsound.com

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  3. Caveat Emptor?

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    Caveat Emptor?

    Ernest’s experience with a boundary-breaking headphone sparks a discussion on caveat emptor, or buyer beware, and just how much risk we, as product creators, should expect buyers to bear. FOLLOW-UPS – 01:15 MKBHD, Panels & Pricing WTF Happened in 2024?! I Love You, Man: The Male Friendship Recession Why Are Boys and Men in Trouble? CAVEAT EMPTOR? – 06:36 Caveat emptor An ode to open-back headphones—and why I’d never go (closed-)back What’s the difference between dynamic and planar magnetic drivers? Audio46 Headphones Sennheiser HD800S: Revisiting a Legend Focal Clear MG Hifiman Arya Stealth & Organic Hifiman Arya Unveiled Review—The Next Best? The most expensive headphone in the world is terrifying! Are Hifiman Unveiled Headphones Safe? With Just 8 Words, Steve Jobs Explained the Best Decision He Ever Made Man Tests Tesla Cybertruck Trunk Sensor With His Finger The Hidden Autopilot Data That Reveals Why Teslas Crash IIHS tested Tesla Autopilot safeguards: Here’s what they found Arrival or departure? The rise and fall of Britain’s EV unicorn Interview with Hifiman CEO Dr. Fang Bian ‘The Beta Test’ Director Jim Cummings Wants to Liberate Indie Filmmaking RECOMMENDATIONS – 51:07 Derek Guy: Die Workwear! J’s year-end rec: Outlier Strongworks Pants E’s year-end rec: OrSlow French Work Pants & Yamatomichi 5-Pocket Pants CLOSING – 01:07:44 **** Rant, rave or otherwise via email at LearnMakeLearn@gmail.com or on Threads @LearnMakeLearnShow. CREDITS Theme: Vendla / Today Is a Good Day / courtesy of www.epidemicsound.com Drum hit: PREL / Musical Element 85 / courtesy of www.epidemicsound.com

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  4. MKBHD, Panels & Pricing

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    MKBHD, Panels & Pricing

    A conversation triggered by MKBHD’s Panels app gets really interesting when we dig into pricing & lessons for people in the business of making products. FOLLOW-UPS – 02:23 Are Pop Lyrics Getting More Repetitive? How gamification took over the world Can't Play, Won't Play An Interview with Meta CTO Andrew Bosworth Meta Connect Keynote 2024 Meta’s big tease MKBHD, PANELS & PRICING – 07:30 Marques Brownlee MKBHD’s first review Marques Brownlee says ‘I hear you’ after fans criticize his new wallpaper app YouTubers are not your friends Why Criticism Still Matters LESSON FOR PRODUCT CREATORS – 20:02 How Nike finally hacked skateboarding ON PRICING – 23:42 Friedrich Hayek Oskar R. Lange Lange model Kanopy Taylor Swift–Ticketmaster controversy The Changing Face Of The Secondary Market: Rolex CPO and more RECOMMENDATIONS – 43:18 MUBI The Substance on MUBI The Fall on MUBI Goeff McFetridge: Drawing a Life on MUBI Thatcher had “phenomenal” impact on Britain’s cultural landscape Bedrock Sandals Creepers Socks How Did Hokas Become So Popular? (paywall) CLOSING – 56:29 **** Rant, rave or otherwise via email at LearnMakeLearn@gmail.com or on Threads @LearnMakeLearnShow. CREDITS Theme: Vendla / Today Is a Good Day / courtesy of www.epidemicsound.com Drum hit: PREL / Musical Element 85 / courtesy of www.epidemicsound.com

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  5. Why is Design So Boring? with Nate Grubbs

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    Why is Design So Boring? with Nate Grubbs

    We dive into our titular question with Nate Grubbs, who, unlike us, is a professional designer with strong views borne of decades of experience across UX, visual & product design. MEET NATE – 01:18 THE AGE OF AVERAGE – 04:19 Alex Murrell: The age of average The tyranny of the algorithm: why every coffee shop looks the same How Khruangbin’s Sound Became the New Mood Music (paywall) SOUL, FLASH & OLD MAN VIBES – 06:36 A Farewell to Adobe Flash—and the Messy, Glorious Web Donnie Darko website Félix Lapointe: Remembering Kai Power Tools Artist at Play: An e-mail exchange with Kai Krause A PERVASIVE FEAR OF FAILURE – 17:49 Please, Please Don’t A/B Test That Study finds 268% higher failure rates for Agile software projects SIGNS OF HOPE & BREAKING THROUGH – 23:27 Massimo Giunco: Nike, An Epic Saga of Value Destruction The Father of Grunge Typography Calls Out Lazy Design Paula Scher: Great design is serious (not solemn) Kintsugi CONSTRAINTS AS A CATALYST – 34:08 Why Constraints Are Good for Innovation Daft Social Start-Ups Surge in the Great Reset Gnuhr Physical music sales on course for first increase in 20 years RECOMMENDATIONS – 45:45 Nate: Yoto Ernest: A Different Man; related: The rise and rise of A24, a champion of storytelling on screen (paywall) Joachim: I Saw the TV Glow; What You Are Looking for is in the Library CLOSING – 56:57 NateGrubbs.com **** Rant, rave or otherwise via email at LearnMakeLearn@gmail.com or on Threads @LearnMakeLearnShow. CREDITS Theme: Vendla / Today Is a Good Day / courtesy of www.epidemicsound.com Drum hit: PREL / Musical Element 85 / courtesy of www.epidemicsound.com

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  6. Off-the-Cuff: Miele, Snow Peak & Ableton Live

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    Off-the-Cuff: Miele, Snow Peak & Ableton Live

    We go off-the-cuff again, sharing product learnings from Miele vacuums, Snow Peak’s modular IGT system & Ableton’s singular vision for music creation. OFF-THE-CUFF – 00:59 JOACHIM RECOMMENDS: MIELE C3 VACUUM – 01:38 Miele Complete C3 Calima PowerLine Behind Dyson’s cyclone Dyson Stick Vacuums Lose CR Recommendation We’ve Recommended Miele Canister Vacuums for Almost a Decade My Middle-Aged Miele C2 Canister Vacuum Has a Long Life Ahead of It Ernest’s now discontinued Miele Cat & Dog Vacuum James Dyson: From Brexit to Singapore Yes, Portland’s Stark’s Vacuums is still in business! ERNEST RECOMMENDS: SNOW PEAK IGT SYSTEM – 13:36 Ali George Hinkins: History of Snow Peak An Introduction to IGT Comprehensive “IGT 101” primer Live the Slow Art of Japanese Camping Examples of Korean-style Camping Tom Bihn bags Eames Storage Unit The Eames Modular House Modular Cabins Inspired by Minecraft Snow Peak’s New Portland Flagship Store Vitsœ 606 Universal Shelving System USM Haller System Legibility Framework laptop JOACHIM RECOMMENDS: ABLETON LIVE – 35:39 What is Ableton Live? The Untold Story of Ableton Live Reason’s skeuomorphic interface Eating your own dog food CLOSING – 44:31 **** Rant, rave or otherwise via email at LearnMakeLearn@gmail.com or on Threads @LearnMakeLearnShow. CREDITS Theme: Vendla / Today Is a Good Day / courtesy of www.epidemicsound.com Drum hit: PREL / Musical Element 85 / courtesy of www.epidemicsound.com

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  7. Apple’s iPhone 16 Event: Lessons & Critiques

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    Apple’s iPhone 16 Event: Lessons & Critiques

    In another short(er) format episode, we examine Apple’s recent “Glowtime” event. Please do let us know what you think of this new format at LearnMakeLearn@gmail.com or @LearnMakeLearnShow on Threads. OPENING – 00:00 Suttle Lake Suttle Lodge HELP US NAME THIS NEW FORMAT! – 03:12 APPLE’S ‘GLOWTIME’ EVENT – 05:08 Apple Event The Verge: iPhone 16 event in 16 minutes John Gruber describes his feelings after the event on Threads JOACHIM’S TAKE – 05:48 Smartphone innovation is dead, and that’s fine Revisiting the iPod Light Phone ERNEST’S TAKE – 11:07 Made by Google ’24 Steve Jobs introduces “Think Different” (intro to the campaign at 3:05) Steve Jobs introduces iPhone in 2007 (b-school 101 chart at 3:55) The Very First ‘Stevenote’ The Glorious Return of a Humble Car Feature Boomer Apple RISKS OF SHIFTING TO SERVICES – 27:31 Hilda Brainchild Why the Baby-Sitters Club was Cancelled at Netflix Alexa Is in Millions of Households—and Amazon Is Losing Billions Steve Jobs: Get Rid Of The Crappy Stuff Existential thoughts about Apple’s reliance on Services revenue Jeff Bezos Explains Why Amazon Makes No Profit (2014) The Birth of an Icon: Susan Kare Halt and Catch Fire (TV Series) Drops of God on Apple TV+ Slow Horses on Apple TV+ CLOSING – 49:00 **** Rant, rave or otherwise via email at LearnMakeLearn@gmail.com or on Threads @LearnMakeLearnShow. CREDITS Theme: Vendla / Today Is a Good Day / courtesy of www.epidemicsound.com Drum hit: PREL / Musical Element 85 / courtesy of www.epidemicsound.com

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  8. A New Episode Format!

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    A New Episode Format!

    We introduce a new, shorter, more off-the-cuff format focused on recommendations that we hope you’ll enjoy. Also, our apologies for the audio getting a bit crunchy in spots—we’re working hard to improve our audio quality. Please do let us know what you think of this new format at LearnMakeLearn@gmail.com or on Threads @LearnMakeLearnShow. ONE MILLION CHECKBOXES – 03:20 Are You a Checker or an Unchecker? (paywall) The Secret Inside One Million Checkboxes Nolan Royalty on X ‘Infinity Blade II: ClashMob’ Uses the Cloud, Crowd-Sourcing for Group-Based Gaming ON KITCHEN FAUCETS & BRAND VALUES – 12:09 Generative AI x Product with Anmol Anubhai That Much-Despised Apple Ad (paywall) Design Thinking: Failure or Fall Guy? Toolbox: How “Jobs To Be Done” Can Help You Make, Better Touch vs Touchless Faucets Are touchless faucets for the kitchen worth it? Hansgrohe Select Technology Axor Citterio Kitchen Faucet with Select Technology Why is my LG Washing Machine using 3.6GB of data/day? STEVE JOBS, CORNING & BEING UNREASONABLE – 29:07 The Science and History of the iPhone Screen Founder Mode NEUTRON JACK – 33:45 The Man Who Broke Capitalism: How Jack Welch Gutted the Heartland and Crushed the Soul of Corporate America―and How to Undo His Legacy How Jack Welch’s Reign at G.E. Gave Us Elon Musk’s Twitter Feed CLOSING – 39:14 **** Rant, rave or otherwise via email at LearnMakeLearn@gmail.com or on Threads @LearnMakeLearnShow. CREDITS Theme: Vendla / Today Is a Good Day / courtesy of www.epidemicsound.com Drum hit: PREL / Musical Element 85 / courtesy of www.epidemicsound.com

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