Learning from Trees

Shani Persson

You're allowed not to listen. In fact, if you're arriving here in chase of solutions, you probably shouldn't... Learning from Trees is a podcast hosted by Shani Persson — for anyone who wants to expand, to learn, and to be more of themselves. Or simply to be, more. For the human who wants to stop chasing knowledge and start anchoring into inner knowing and wisdom, beyond the letter. Who wants to feel. To experience. To embrace embodiment as a pathway to expansion. For the soul who wants to co-create and grow through interacting with life — with nature, with themselves, with one another. For the creator who wants to honour their creative process — making things through the friction and doubts and peaks of being human. The artist who wants to dance with change, tap into their creative power, and be of service. This is for anyone who wants to savour their humanity. And maybe also — their divinity.

  1. 13 Curious sleep: on habits, behavioural change, presence and the mysteries of the night - a conversation with Frida Rångtell

    há 3 h

    13 Curious sleep: on habits, behavioural change, presence and the mysteries of the night - a conversation with Frida Rångtell

    This episode is an invitation to reconsider what it might mean to change and to find the ways that fit us - not through discipline or force, but through noticing what's actually there, and letting that lead. I am joined by Frida, a sleep researcher and coach behind the Curious Sleep Lab, who brings to sleep the same sensibility she brings to life: curiosity, playfulness, and a willingness to test what's actually true rather than follow what's supposed to be.  From Love is blind watch-parties and writers’ gatherings, curiosity takes us into sleep. Not the optimized, data-tracked, rule-heavy version, but sleep as something with its own paradoxes, signals, and strangeness.  We move through what good sleep actually means and why one number rarely tells the whole story; through the in-between state of falling asleep that no one can quite catch; and the mysterious things that we experience at night (that are stranger and more common than we tend to admit). We talk about what our dreams seem to be made of, and why we so often sleep better next to someone even when the objective data disagrees. And through all of it, Frida keeps returning to the same notion. Not “what should I be doing to sleep better”, but “how we can learn to trust our senses and listen to the signals that our body offers” - both during the day and at night. A warm, wide-ranging conversation about sleep, rest, presence, and the surprising usefulness of not knowing the answer yet.   About Frida: Frida Rångtell, PhD, is a sleep scientist and founder of Curious Sleep Lab - a space to explore sleep with openness and curiosity, without judgement or strict rules. She works with individuals through coaching, organizations, sports clubs, and schools. Her goal is to help others create better relationships with their sleep and to find the magic of the night. Get in touch: Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/frida-rangtell-phd/  Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/slumraofsweden/  Website: www.slumra.nu    This episode in headlines: Curiosity as a compass Playful living Lazy hosting and bringing people together A curious relationship to sleep The paradox of sleep - control vs. non-judgement What is good sleep? The signals of sleep Bedtime rituals to transition into sleep The in-between sleep state Sleep mysteries Strange things that are normal Sleep as an experience Sleeping together - the impact of social connection Listening to our body Small steps that stick The value of experiments and observation Build habits first

    1h 13min
  2. 12 Freedom within the frames: on dance, honesty, and the art of being you - a conversation with Rachel McNamee

    21 de jun.

    12 Freedom within the frames: on dance, honesty, and the art of being you - a conversation with Rachel McNamee

    This episode is an invitation to consider what it might mean to be fully yourself — not as a fixed identity to protect, but as something alive and curious that shows up differently in every room. I am joined by Rachel McNamee, a dancer with eleven years in a repertory company who spent a year away -  not to leave dance, but to find herself outside the only frame she'd ever known. Together we move through what it actually feels like to return somewhere changed, and the question of how to bring a new shape back into an old space without losing it. We explore what Rachel carries from a life in dance: the discovery that freedom doesn't disappear inside structure - it often lives there. And what it actually takes to translate someone else's vision through your body. The observation, the relationship, the trust that builds between a dancer and a choreographer over time. And how much of that, it turns out, is just what it takes to truly meet someone. By seeking answers together, finding awe and laughter and surprising ourselves with what we find, we land on something neither of us expected: that receiving someone fully might be the most generous thing we can offer. A warm, unhurried conversation about expression, honesty, and what it means to actually meet each other.   About Rachel: Rachel describes herself firstly as a human - one who spends a lot of time dancing, performing, creating, writing, talking, listening, loving. She grew up in Vancouver, Canada. In 2014, she moved to Europe to start her career as a professional dancer with Nederlands Dans Theatre. She is currently based in Göteborg, Sweden, dancing with GöteborgsOperans Danskompani, amongst other things. Rachel is interested in the body in all its forms of expression - how it holds and gives.   Get in touch: Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/rachmacxx/ Substack: https://rachelmcnamee.substack.com/ This episode in headlines Stepping away from comfort and into exploration Entering old spaces in new shapes Growth moves in more directions than we think Finding improvisation and liberty inside every frame Meeting the unknown with curiosity  Translating vision into movement Languages - what do we really understand? Feeling fully expressed What the body gives and what the body holds Taking up space when you're wired to adapt Performance is honesty Receiving as giving, giving as receiving

    1h 19min
  3. 11 Becoming your own guide: on intuition, nature and slowing down enough to trust - a conversation with Amanda Parker

    7 de jun.

    11 Becoming your own guide: on intuition, nature and slowing down enough to trust - a conversation with Amanda Parker

    This episode is an invitation to slow down — not as a productivity hack, but as an act of trust in your own knowing. I am joined by Amanda Parker - the Untamed Oracle, certified coach and reiki master healer - and together we follow the soft whispers and loud messages that we receive through life. Through nature, burnout, career reinvention, and the body's own signals, we explore what it actually takes to hear yourself in a world designed to drown you out - and why the answer is rarely more information, but more willingness to trust what is already there. We move through creative overwhelm and the relief (and friction) of committing to our visions and nudges, the slow and sometimes naive accumulation of bravery that leads people out of lives that no longer fit, and the difference between intuition and anxiety when both show up as feeling in the body.  And we close with a practice - hands on bark, to actually learn from trees. To ask questions and listen for what speaks back. It's a conversation for anyone who already knows, somewhere, what they need and desire, and wants to start following that calling instead of denying it.   About Amanda: Amanda Parker, The Untamed Oracle, is a certified coach, reiki master healer, and Inner Authority Guide who helps high-achieving, heart-led founders stop overthinking and start trusting what they already know. Through Oracle Readings, deep coaching journeys, and her signature Inner Authority Lab, she guides founders from overthinking and paralyzed to clear, grounded, and aligned — so they can build businesses that fit around their lives, not the other way around. Get in touch: Linkedin - https://www.linkedin.com/in/amandamparker/ Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/amandaparker.co/ Podcast: www.dontsteponthebluebells.com  Website - www.amandaparker.co    This episode in headlines Nature as a teacher Be our own guide Slowing down to listen Committing to our ideas Interrupting our patterns of overwhelm Tiny steps forward Receiving over chasing Why we seek inner wisdom Leaving corporate behind Building the bravery to leap Outgrowing our choices - and places Rebound jobs and boundaries Learning to hear our intuition Building faith and trust in ourselves Visions without urgency Letting dreams evolve Perfection and creative surrender How to talk to trees Intuition or anxiety?

    1h 13min
  4. 10 From hustle to creative living: Peace, aligned action and being vessels for the ripples we create - a conversation with Innocent Mugenga

    24 de mai.

    10 From hustle to creative living: Peace, aligned action and being vessels for the ripples we create - a conversation with Innocent Mugenga

    This episode is an invitation to explore what it truly means to live creatively - not (only) as an artistic pursuit, but as a way of being in the world.  I am joined by Innocent Mugenga, creative, seeker and multidisciplinary entrepreneur - together we move through the landscapes of peace, surrender, and what it can really look like to take aligned action. We get curious about stepping out of hustle and into something more honest. Where working less can mean creating more, where procrastination might actually be incubation, and where ambition becomes less about pushing and more about becoming a vessel for what wants to move through you. Through our personal reflections and lived experiences, we explore how the relationship we cultivate with our own inner landscape can give us access to both more peace and more creative power. And how we treat ourselves and approach our creative process - or our process of growth - can ripple to become impact and beauty in the world around us. It's a conversation for anyone drawn to the deeper currents of self-development and conscious living. For those who sense that the most beautiful patterns in life emerge not from force, but from presence, surrender, and trust in the process. And that the most intimate way they can be with themselves is through creation.   About Innocent: Multidisciplinary Entrepreneur, avid reader, boxer and health aficionado who moved from Sweden to Rwanda, currently developing real estate and health concepts for the growing country - and the conscious human.   Get in touch: Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/magnifi.centi/  LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/innocentmugenga  This episode in headlines: Landing in the present: A new chapter of peace Values need practice — from principles to daily life Working less, creating more value Ambition, ego, and becoming a vessel for service Procrastination as incubation — reframing the waiting Creativity as an operating system Surrender and accountability — holding both at once Choosing from enrichment rather than lack The other side of optimism - grief as perspective  The flip the coin exercise - imagining hopeful futures

    1h 37min
  5. 09 Loving ourselves: On self-touch, curiosity and the permission to play - a conversation with Caroline Oskarsson

    10 de mai.

    09 Loving ourselves: On self-touch, curiosity and the permission to play - a conversation with Caroline Oskarsson

    This episode is an invitation to explore what it truly means to be in a committed relationship — not with another person, but with yourself. I am joined by Caroline Oskarsson - a brand creative and practitioner for holistic wellbeing - together we move through the landscapes of self-touch, body wisdom, and the courage it takes to stop bypassing your own physical experience. We explore what it looks like to turn toward the body rather than away from it — and why learning to touch yourself with care and curiosity may be one of the most quietly radical acts of healing available to us. And perhaps the most overlooked. Through sharing personal reflection and lived experiences, we venture into how the relationship we cultivate with our own bodies — through massage, self-massage, breathwork, and play — can give us access to both more softness and more aliveness in the face of life's harder seasons. It's an exploration for anyone drawn to the deeper currents of somatic healing and embodied self-development — and for those who are ready to move from self-love as a concept to self-acceptance as a lived, felt experience in the body.   About Caroline: Caroline Oscarsson is a manifesting generator in essence and creative witch who merges the worlds of holistic wellbeing and supportive sessions (that includes heart and body work) with supporting brands in building a stronger relationship to their audience by way of storytelling and creative expression.   Get in touch: Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/wholistically/ Email directly: hello@wholistically.se   This episode in headlines: Rethinking Self-Love: From Idea to Relationship The Body as Bridge: Including Physical Sensation in Healing A Simple Self-Touch Practice to Start Dreaming After Divorce: Reclaiming Joy and Play Play as a Life Practice — Not a Reward Reclaiming the Inner Rascal Why Joy Needs Community Touch, Massage, and the Nervous System The Roots of Self-Massage: Ayurveda and Mayan Abdominal Therapy Face, Belly, and What the Body Is Telling You Breathwork, Release, and Choosing Kindness The Off-Brand Seasons — When You Don't Feel Like Yourself Curiosity Over Judgment: An Invitation to Meet Yourself Differently From Self-Touch to Self-Acceptance: The Full Circle

    1h 1min
  6. 08 Creating change by loving our humanity - a conversation with JJ Vega

    26 de abr.

    08 Creating change by loving our humanity - a conversation with JJ Vega

    This episode is an invitation to explore what it truly means to lead — not from the outside in, but from the inside out. Together with JJ Vega, leadership coach and facilitator, we move through the landscapes of inner healing, conscious leadership, and the quiet revolution of taking responsibility for your own experience. We explore what it looks like to stop trying to fix the world around you — and instead turn toward what is alive and true within you. And why that shift may be one of the most quietly radical things a leader, or a human, can do. Through personal reflection and hard-won insight, we venture into how the relationship we cultivate with our own pain, doubt, and ego can give us access to both more depth and more integrity in how we show up — for ourselves, for the people we lead, and for the structures we are part of. It's an exploration for anyone drawn to the deeper currents of self-development and embodied healing — and for those who sense that real change in organizations and the structures we are part of begins not with better systems, but with humans who are able to lead themselves in new ways.   About JJ: JJ Vega is a leadership coach, facilitator, and founder of Art of Unfolding, an organizational development firm for mission-focused technology companies. With over 20 years in leadership roles in diverse fields from software startups to the military, JJ's coaching practice focuses on leaders navigating significant life transitions: career pivots, relationship changes, identity shifts, and the quiet unraveling that often follows periods of high achievement. His approach to coaching integrates developmental psychology, Internal Family Systems (IFS), somatic awareness, and presence-based methodology from his training in the Aletheia Advanced Coaching Program. Rather than treating clients as problems to be solved, JJ operates from the premise that people are already whole—and that transformation happens through revealing what's been blocked, not adding what's missing. Beyond his coaching practice, JJ is active in the self-organization and regenerative business communities, including cocreation.loft, a Berlin-based collective exploring new ways of working and belonging together. He's particularly interested in how organizations can move beyond command-and-control structures toward emergent, trust-based collaboration—and the inner development leaders need to steward that transition. Originally from Richmond, Virginia, JJ relocated to Berlin, Germany in pursuit of a different rhythm of life. When he's not coaching, he's likely exploring the city's music and creative scenes, practicing yoga, or engaging in the kind of deep conversations that make life feel meaningful.   Get in touch: Art of Unfolding Website: artofunfolding.org Cocreation.loft Website: https://www.cocreationloft.com/ LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jj-vega/   This episode in headlines: Arriving and meeting ourselves Embracing joy and fun — beyond the pursuit of positivity Practicing inquiry — the art of listening inward Turning toward pain - what does it mean? Beyond optimization — choosing attunement Exploring mastery as commitment, not arrival How healing and work intertwine Inside-out leadership — taking responsibility for inner experience The challenges of being humans and leaders at work Ownership versus stewardship — reframing what we hold Ego, relevance, and why we need both Final thoughts and invitations

    1h 33min
  7. 07 Courage to connect - a conversation with Carina Modéus

    12 de abr.

    07 Courage to connect - a conversation with Carina Modéus

    This episode is an invitation to explore what it truly means to connect — with ourselves, with the people we love, and with something larger than our own lives. I am joined by Carina Modéus, and together we move through the landscapes of presence, service, and the beauty and weight of being human together. We explore what it looks like to show up fully to life and relationships — and why the quality of our presence may be one of the most quietly radical things we can offer in a fragmented world. And perhaps the most necessary. Through our own experiences and reflections, we venture into how the relationship we cultivate — with our senses, with other humans, with our faith(s) — can give us access to both more grace and more grit in the face of life’s challenges.    It's an exploration for anyone drawn to the deeper currents of human connection — and for those who find their sense of purpose in being there for and with others, without neglecting themselves.   About Carina: Daughter of farmers in the deep forests of Småland, in the south of Sweden. She grew up in a big family - three siblings and 75 cousins. Moved to Lund. Met and fell in love with a tenor and theologist, married him and now had the grace of sharing 35 years together (and counting).  Mother of three grown up children. While also taking a winding way through professional life - always mirroring grace and grit: Biologist, physician, both oncologist and psychiatric, the last ten years working mainly in palliative care. Deeply committed to the exploration of existential perspectives and questions, and their impact on our well-being.   Get in touch: Carina says: “In person actually. I am striving to be as analog as reasonably possible. Meeting physical human beings in physical rooms is more and more my preferred way of living. I have an account on LinkedIn, but I am not at all good at keeping it updated, so I do not dare to promise anyone to be answered there but it is the best channel I have”. LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/carinamodeus   This episode in headlines: Morning rituals - a foundation for presence What true presence means and how we cultivate it Analog and digital - the push and pull of human connection The Power of Human Connection The courage to reach out and face rejection Caring for others without losing yourself Intention and Small Steps as a guiding light Letting grace and grit guide you Finding Comfort in Imperfection Reflections on Life, Death, and Connectedness Final Thoughts and Invitations

    1h 18min
  8. 06 Evolving with playful compassion - a conversation with Maria Sundell

    29 de mar.

    06 Evolving with playful compassion - a conversation with Maria Sundell

    This episode is an invitation to play with our uniqueness - and the imprints that life has left on our brains. An honest conversation about how we can approach our self-discovery and growth with curiosity instead of judgement.    I am joined by Maria Sundell, physician and specialist in neurology. Together we venture into the brain - how it develops and shapes our perspectives and the ways in which we can reframe our experiences for better self-understanding, compassion and - if we want it - growth. And we talk about how a playful mind can enhance our ability to adapt and learn.   Through our own rabbit-holes and experiences we explore what it can look like to approach our evolution with kindness. Each offering our lenses to what it means to make sure we have the resources and support we need to actually be able to evolve.   It’s an exploration for anyone wanting to release the pressures of societal expectations and find their unique paths to self-discovery and fulfilment. About Maria: Maria is a specialist in neurology, research physician, podcast host and professional speaker. She has a deep interest in the neuroscience behind personal and professional development and loves educating others on this topic.   Get in touch: LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/maria-sundell-05b56a57 Website: https://brainobservations.com/    This episode in headlines: Connecting to the moment Fixed vs. Growth Mindset Understanding Brain Filters Self-help and privilege Peeling onions - welcoming our growth layer by layer Brain Differences: Nature vs. Nurture Childhood Choices and Adult Patterns The Role of Play in Adult Life Exploring Playfulness and Creativity The Power of Compassion and Kindness Embracing Change and Individuality Final Thoughts: Compassionate Playfulness

    59 min

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You're allowed not to listen. In fact, if you're arriving here in chase of solutions, you probably shouldn't... Learning from Trees is a podcast hosted by Shani Persson — for anyone who wants to expand, to learn, and to be more of themselves. Or simply to be, more. For the human who wants to stop chasing knowledge and start anchoring into inner knowing and wisdom, beyond the letter. Who wants to feel. To experience. To embrace embodiment as a pathway to expansion. For the soul who wants to co-create and grow through interacting with life — with nature, with themselves, with one another. For the creator who wants to honour their creative process — making things through the friction and doubts and peaks of being human. The artist who wants to dance with change, tap into their creative power, and be of service. This is for anyone who wants to savour their humanity. And maybe also — their divinity.