This episode explores what it really means to “listen to understand” — especially when conversations are difficult, emotional, or deeply tied to identity and belief. Through a powerful discussion with Dr. Tal Ben-Shahar, the conversation challenges the instinct to prove we’re right and instead invites a shift toward curiosity, openness, and growth. Dr. Tal Ben-Shahar is a bestselling author and a leading voice in positive psychology. He taught at Harvard University, where his courses on Positive Psychology and The Psychology of Leadership became some of the most popular classes in the university’s history. He is also the co-founder of the Happiness Studies Academy, where he continues to teach and share practical tools for well-being, resilience, and leadership. At the core of this episode is his concept of “permission to be human” — allowing ourselves and others to feel uncomfortable emotions without suppressing or judging them. Rather than avoiding conflict, the episode reframes disagreement as a necessary and even healthy part of growth, emphasizing that many of today’s toughest issues are not right vs. wrong, but right vs. right. The conversation dives into how to approach moments where beliefs feel non-negotiable — from religion and identity to family dynamics and societal divides. It highlights the importance of entering dialogue with intention: are we trying to win, or are we trying to understand? Through real-life examples and psychological insight, listeners are given a practical framework for having more empathetic, grounded, and meaningful conversations. Ultimately, this episode is about creating space — for others to speak, for ourselves to reflect, and for something deeper to emerge. Not necessarily agreement, but connection, clarity, and the possibility of bridging even the widest gaps — one conversation at a time. Join us on Whatsapp: Click here to join the Listening to Understand WhatsApp community where we share exclusive information about episodes and topics discussed on the show. Click here to listen to us on iTunes Comments or Suggestions? We’d love to hear from you. Email us at: listeningtounderstandshow@gmail.com Sponsored by: SwagMyGear.com Get your custom printed & promotional swag, logo t-shirts, hoodies, hats, bottles and other gear, perfect for business & corporate branding & events, family gatherings, Bar & Bat Mitzvas, parties and weddings all printed with your logo or message. Click here & Get $55.00 off your order today with coupon code MATANA
