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Welcome to Loitering, the occasional but lovable traveling mini pod I am currently testing in newsletter format.


Loitering Sonia Paul

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Welcome to Loitering, the occasional but lovable traveling mini pod I am currently testing in newsletter format.


    Loitering in L.A. With Latif Nasser 🌳

    Loitering in L.A. With Latif Nasser 🌳

    Hello! This episode of Loitering is a brief one, so no transcript. Hope you enjoy!

    Here is a picture of the trees discussed in the episode. According to the app PlantSnap, they are Ceiba speciosa, otherwise known as silk floss trees.

    From front to back: Breezy Treezy, Cheesy Treezy, and Weezy Treezy.

    Here is a portrait of Latif with Breezy Treezy.

    Listen to Radiolab here.

    Listen to Latif’s award-winning podcast, “The Other Latif,” about a detainee at Guantanamo Bay who shares his name, and what 9/11 and the War on Terror have brought us 20 years later.

    Check out Latif on the Netflix show “Connected” here.

    Read this affecting piece by Niha Masih about covering India’s devastating surge of coronavirus while the pandemic also infected everyone in her entire family.

    And check out “Dreamland: The Burning of Black Wall Street,” directed and produced by Salima Koroma, with Adam Perez serving as director of photography (and a host of other talented team members supporting the production, as is the case with most other podcasts and documentaries you consume)! Here’s some info on how to watch from the CNN Press Room: “Beginning Tuesday, June 1, the film will be available on demand via cable/satellite systems, CNNgo platforms, and CNN mobile apps.  DREAMLAND will encore Saturday, June 5 at 9:00pm Eastern.  HBO Max will offer the film for subscribers at a later date.”

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    • 5 min
    Loitering on 🔥 Imposter Syndrome🔥 With Ruchika Tulshyan and Jodi-Ann Burey

    Loitering on 🔥 Imposter Syndrome🔥 With Ruchika Tulshyan and Jodi-Ann Burey

    Heylo!!! It’s been quite a while since the last episode… and now, 2021 is certainly upon us. There’s much to update on, but first, here’s an episode of Loitering recorded about a month ago… that stems from this article by Ruchika Tulshyan and Jodi-Ann Burey I read a couple of months before that, about a phenomenon that might ring a bell to many listeners — 🔥 imposter syndrome🔥.

    As you’ll hear, there are burning flames around this term for a reason. Enjoy! Also, please scroll ahead to the links below the transcript for some updates from me. :)

    Sonia Paul  00:11

    Hello, everyone, welcome to Loitering, the occasional but lovable traveling mini pod I am currently testing in newsletter format. And today I am loitering with two very special guests. Can you please introduce yourself?

    Ruchika Tulshyan  00:27

    Sure, I'm Ruchika Tulshyan, I'm a former journalist. And currently, I write about gender diversity and racial equity in the workplace for Harvard Business Review. I also run an inclusion strategy practice called Candour.

    Jodi-Ann Burey  00:43

    Hi, and I am Jodi-Ann Burey. I'm a speaker, writer, I call myself a disrupter because we have to do things differently if we want to achieve social change. I speak and write at the intersections of race, culture, and health equity. I also created and host the podcast Black Cancer, which is about the lives of people of color told through their cancer journeys. Also have a TED talk titled “The myth of bringing your full, authentic self to work,” where I really try to disrupt what we think of how racism shows up in the workplace.

    Sonia Paul  01:16

    Cool, thank you both so much for making the time to talk. And the two of you both co-authored an article recently for the Harvard Business Review, titled “Stop Telling Women They Have Imposter Syndrome.” And I was just wondering, you know, first of all, can we just define what do we mean when we say imposter syndrome? Because I also feel like it has become a catch-all term for a lot of different things that maybe have the same source, and how are you defining it?

    Jodi-Ann Burey  01:47

    So imposter syndrome is defined as not having an internal sense of success, despite probably having what other people might call success, right. So whether it's the degrees that you've had, the accolades that you've had, you know, whatever area in your professional life where you are, quote, unquote, high achieving, that sense of achievement isn't felt internally. So the short for that is having this feeling like you're a fraud, or a high level of self-doubt in your, you know, whatever your work environment is, or whatever the context is.

    Ruchika Tulshyan  02:25

    And while feelings of self-doubt, and largely, you know, this, this diagnosis of imposter syndrome can really impact anyone where they may be doubting their self-worth, or their abilities or their successes, it definitely is much more prevalent in women, in terms of the way the research has been done. And it is also sort of a syndrome that's really, you know, placed upon women. And so often women get diagnosed with imposter syndrome, we're invited to a lot of events, women's events, conferences, where women are essentially being taught how to overcome their imposter syndrome. So even though feelings of self-doubt and feeling like, you know, maybe you question whether you belong in a place, or whether you really are a fraud, those feelings might be fairly universal by gender and race, there is a very gendered aspect to how it shows up in our society.

    Sonia Paul  03:23

    Yeah, and, you know, something that I was just like, very curious about is just this notion of being a fraud, and how essential that is to the definition of imposter syndrome, because I think — I personally think, for example, that there is a lot of maybe the influence of humility in fueling imposter syndrome, just, you know, women who wouldn't boast about themselves, who do acknowledge that t

    • 46 min
    Loitering With Tracie Hunte

    Loitering With Tracie Hunte

    Hi everyone,

    I hope you all are staying safe and well, despite the pandemic and attempted coup... That being said, this episode of Loitering with Tracie Hunte was recorded just over a week ago at the tail end of 2020 but already feels like a lifetime ago. There’s no transcript, but there is some useful listening that’ll offer context to the discussion (namely this piece about protests and this piece about Nina Simone). I should also mention that while there’s been some radio drama recently, this was pure radio joy.

    On another note, one of Loitering’s favorite listeners, Chris Turillo, reminded me of this piece recently, and I thought it was worth sharing with all of you.

    Thanks to Tracie for loitering. :) Here’s to staying strong in 2021.


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    • 37 min
    Loitering in Fort Greene with Avery Trufelman

    Loitering in Fort Greene with Avery Trufelman

    Sonia Paul  00:13

    Hello, everyone, welcome to Loitering, the occasional, but lovable traveling mini pod I am currently testing in newsletter format. And today I am loitering in Fort Greene — 

    Avery Trufelman  00:24

    Watch out!

    Sonia Paul  00:25

    Oh my gosh. I very nearly stepped on poop. And today, I am loitering in Fort Greene Park and walking around Fort Greene with a very special guest. Can you please introduce yourself?

    Avery Trufelman  00:38

    Sure. Hi, I'm Avery Trufelman. I make podcasts. And now I live in Brooklyn and I moved here during the pandemic. It's weird.

    Sonia Paul  00:48

    And where were you before, Avery?

    Avery Trufelman  00:50

    In the Bay Area, where you live, and so it's very weird to be walking with Sonia on the other side of the country now.

    Sonia Paul  00:58

    Or not so weird at all.

    Avery Trufelman  01:00

    Right. Like, no weirder than anything else that has happened this year. Like, who knows, right? Anything could happen.

    Sonia Paul  01:05

    Exactly. Okay, Avery. Um, tell us a little bit about your time since being back in New York. What has been the most memorable aspect for you in the last few months?

    Avery Trufelman  01:20

    It's weird, in this moment of extreme nothing, right. Like, I can't go to bars, and I can't really meet people, like, I can't do anything. I can't go to people's homes. It does feel like so much is happening. Like every week bring some sort of little fresh, tiny crisis. And oh, God, was it two weeks ago? I waited in line. It's funny, now that I live in New York have to go back to saying "on line," like, New Yorkers say, like, I waited on line. And I used to say that when I moved to California, and everyone was like, what does that mean? Like, the internet? But now that I'm back, I have to untrain my — like, get back to my New Yorker-ism of waiting on line. So I was waiting on line for a test. And the line was so long —

    Sonia Paul

    Wait, a test for what?

    Avery Trufelman

    A COVID test, a COVID test, which like, we all have to do all the time now. And it takes forever, and it's freezing. It's like, totally hellish. And um, I did a rapid test. And that day, they called me. And they're like, you've, you tested positive. I was like, oh, oh, I had no symptoms at all. I was shocked. And um.

    Sonia Paul  02:00

    Why, what prompted you to get a test in the first place?

    Avery Trufelman  02:25

    Oh, because it was like, Thanksgiving, and I was about to go home. So it was 10 days before Thanksgiving. And I was like, you know, it's the thing to do, like take a test and then quarantine. I was like, make sure I'm negative and then quarantine. And I was not expecting the test to come back positive. It was super — it was super weird. And um, it was kind of fascinating because I watched the mechanisms of New York State sort of snap into gear. The contact tracers called me, they called me every day. I got sent this pack of like, masks and hand sanitizer. And I mean, the amenities here are kind of amazing. They'll put you up in a hotel if you need it. They asked me to list every business I had interacted with, every person I'd interacted with. I had to go and call everyone and be like, "Hey, I just want to let you know that I tested positive for COVID." And it was a total nightmare. It was like, oh, this is what it must have felt like during the AIDS crisis, to call everyone up and be like, "Hey, I have this thing." And a lot of people were really understanding. Some people were furious.

    Sonia Paul  03:29

    Can I ask, like, this rapid test. I mean, given that you had no known exposures, no known symptoms… Like, how confident, how certain were you about these results? Like, were you in disbelief at all? 

    Avery Trufelman  03:44

    Oh, well I mean, it seems likely, like, there are a lot of asymptomatic carriers. And also like, I'm not a scientist. I don't know. I feel like there's so much of a doctrine of healthy skepticism now. Like, Leticia Wright just posted that

    • 11 min

    The election is less than two weeks away. What’s on your mind?

    The election is less than two weeks away. What’s on your mind?

    I’d love to know. And if you’re willing, I’d love to share your thoughts on an upcoming episode of Loitering.

    Just record a voice memo on your phone — any voice recording app you have should work — and email it directly back to me. Please include your name and where you’re located. If you’d rather not reveal your name, that’s fine. AND, if you’re not in the U.S., that’s also ok. But tell us, what does it look like from afar?

    Recording voice memos is super easy. In fact, it’s what I did to record this episode. :)

    Please forward this note along to your friends and networks who might be interested. I’m not looking for any particular political views, but I am interested in stitching together an aural snapshot of our thoughts at this moment in history, whatever they may be.

    Also, if you follow me on social media, you may have seen that I’m currently doing some research for a story I’m developing on self-care. What exactly is the story? Well, that’s what I’m trying to find out! If you’re willing to fill out this simple Google form, I’d super appreciate it.

    Thanks so much & be well,


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