Making Strides

Stefanie Flippin and Carolyn Su
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‘Making Strides’ is a space to share the experiences of underrepresented and marginalized communities in the sport of running. Join Stefanie Flippin and Carolyn Su in discussions on navigating microaggressions and policing, sponsorship negotiations, mental health, current events, and more. We hope this podcast serves to fill in the gaps of what might not typically be covered in running industry media, and we hope that through our conversations here, we can be a safe space for learning and a launching pad for making the sport more equitable and inclusive for everyone.

  1. 20.11.2025

    Episode 24 - Catching Up!

    We’re back! In this episode, we catch up on our summer activities and personal lives, including family trips abroad and ultra races. We also discuss our evolving perspectives on training, as well as the rapidly-changing running culture. Carolyn talks about a food-run-tour she led through Boston’s Chinatown, and the ancestral connection she discovered through that experience, and Stef shares about an exciting upcoming project in the works that is also tied to their Asian American ancestry. As always, we are so grateful that all of you are here in this space, in the sport, and in this world! #Keepshowingup and keep making strides in being the change we wish to see! Special thanks to our Audio Engineer, ⁠⁠Mark Kalagayan⁠⁠, from the non-profit, ⁠⁠SPARC Worldwide⁠⁠. Don't forget to grab your ⁠Pen & Paces⁠ Custom Bib Kit for any of your upcoming races and get 20% off when you use code MAKINGSTRIDES at checkout! The Making Strides Podcast is about building representation and about changing the ways we expect ourselves and others to show up in the running world. If you enjoy this convo please share about us with your friends! And of course, we would appreciate you subscribing and leaving a rating and review. #MakingStridesPod #letsFlippindothis #diversewerun

    1 ч. 6 мин.

  2. 18.07.2025

    Episode 23 - The Great Power of Representation

    “I think the experience I had is what EVERY straight, white male has at EVERY race.”  Consider this convo as a part-two follow up to our most listened-to episode, "Allyship, Intention, and Impact" (episode 12), as we parse out what exactly made the ‘We Out Here’ Trail Fest so incredibly special.  In a time when there’s constant pushback and criticism of what DEI actually means or looks like, we hope this conversation gives practical examples of how create events and spaces that move beyond tokenizing to celebrating the diversity of excellence that already exists in our sport!  “It doesn’t have to be: we choose representation and inclusivity OR we choose excellence and competitiveness. There can be overlap!” Have you ever been to a race or running event where you felt fully seen, celebrated, and free to be your authentic self? What factors do you think helped make that happen? Drop a comment here or send a message to let us know!  Special thanks to our Audio Engineer, ⁠⁠Mark Kalagayan⁠⁠, from the non-profit, ⁠⁠SPARC Worldwide⁠⁠. The Making Strides Podcast is about building representation and changing the ways we expect ourselves and others to show up in the running world. If you enjoy this convo please share about us with your friends! And of course, we appreciate your subscribing and leaving a rating and review. #MakingStridesPod #letsFlippindothis #diversewerun Show Notes: 05:50 - Stef’s upcoming racing plans 12:00 - takeaways from the We Out Here Trail Fest: the excellence displayed and the power of representation! 33:15 - the role representation plays in helping others understand different lived-experiences 38:10 - what led Carolyn to create a trail event with her local lululemon team, in the Boston area 56:25 - Stef’s athletes who ran Western States 100 this year 1:09:20 - shoutout to our ongoing sponsor, Pen & Paces! Links: David Jaewon Oh Photography OtterPawz Native, family-owned design company who made the custom medals for the We Out Here Trail Fest Rubato HK Cafe Gyee O’Malley, Train Ambassador for Boston lululemon Don't forget to grab your Pen & Paces Custom Bib Kit for any of your upcoming races and get 20% off when you use code MAKINGSTRIDES at checkout! Find Stef ⁠⁠⁠here⁠⁠⁠ Find Carolyn ⁠⁠⁠here⁠⁠⁠ and ⁠⁠⁠here⁠⁠⁠

    1 ч. 12 мин.

  3. 24.06.2025

    Episode 22 - LIVE from the We Out Here Trail Fest!

    “We hope that this trail race shows that it is possible to welcome new people to the sport, that trail running doesn't have to be rooted in white culture, that we can show up as our authentic selves.” - Alison Desir This is a special episode that is near and dear to our hearts, as we got to not only record a live show with our friends, but also be a part of the inaugural trail festival, We Out Here, that was specifically centered on and powered by the BIPOC community! Our conversation is on the topic of DEFIANCE, as defined by professor and author, Dr. Sunita Sah: to defy is to act in accordance to one's values when there's pressure to do otherwise.  With this definition, a trail event specifically designed for BIPOC athletes is in itself an act of defiance against the status quo, expectations, and gate-keeping around the sport, and of course, the ways that each of us show up in our various spheres each day are also daily acts of defiance in a world that expects (and often demands) our compliance.  We truly hope this conversation resonates and speaks to you in many ways. #Keepshowingup in your various spheres of influence, and keep making strides in being the change we wish to see! Special thanks to our Audio Engineer, ⁠⁠Mark Kalagayan⁠⁠, from the non-profit, ⁠⁠SPARC Worldwide⁠⁠. The Making Strides Podcast is about building representation and about changing the ways we expect ourselves and others to show up in the running world. If you enjoy this convo please share about us with your friends! And of course, we appreciate your subscribing and leaving a rating and review. #MakingStridesPod #letsFlippindothis #diversewerun Show Notes: 01:30 - intro: Aaliyah Earvin 02:10 - intro: Alison Desir 03:45 - intro: Kayla Jeter 04:25 - intro: Mirna Valerio 05:55 - topic and definition of DEFIANCE 07:30 - what inspired Aaliyah to create the ‘We Out Here’ Trail Festival weekend 13:15 - what Alison’s goals are for the future of this race event 15:40 - what practicing defiance looked like for Mirna, growing up, and how it shapes the way she lives in the day to day 19:35 - who inspired Kayla to prioritize self care and wellness for herself, and what drives her to bring this message to her community 25:10 - how can all of us practice acts of defiance on a daily basis? 32:20 - Q&A Links: Grab your Pen & Paces Custom Bib Kit for any of your upcoming races and get 20% off when you use code MAKINGSTRIDES at checkout! Find Aaliyah here Find Alison here Find Kayla here Find Mirna here Find Stef ⁠⁠⁠here⁠⁠⁠ Find Carolyn ⁠⁠⁠here⁠⁠⁠ and ⁠⁠⁠here⁠⁠⁠

    47 мин.

  4. 14.05.2025

    Episode 21 - Boston and Beyond!

    Fresh off the Boston Marathon weekend, we talk about EVERYTHING that happened from Thursday to Marathon Monday, including seeing Kara Goucher and Alysia Montaño, fawning over senior penguins, and getting to bring in the final finishers at the 26.True Marathon! We are also excited to share our FIRST SPONSOR, Pen & Paces! A local, AAPI-woman-owned small business, Pen & Paces is all about supporting every runner in their own, unique running journey.  Check out the bestselling, Custom Bib Kit, which Stef and I wore at the 2024 New York City Marathon!  We saw hundreds of runners sporting them out on the course at both the Boston Marathon and the 26.True Marathon this year! The bib kits make it super easy for loved ones and spectators to call out your name and cheer for you! Grab your Pen & Paces Custom Bib Kit for any of your upcoming Spring races, and get 20% off when you use code MAKINGSTRIDES at checkout! We hope you enjoy our Boston Marathon weekend recap, and, as always, we are so grateful that all of you are here! #Keepshowingup and keep making strides in being the change we wish to see! Special thanks to our Audio Engineer, ⁠⁠Mark Kalagayan⁠⁠, from the non-profit, ⁠⁠SPARC Worldwide⁠⁠. The Making Strides Podcast is about building representation and about changing the ways we expect ourselves and others to show up in the running world. If you enjoy this convo please share about us with your friends! And of course, we appreciate your subscribing and leaving a rating and review. #MakingStridesPod #letsFlippindothis #diversewerun Show Notes: 01:00 - how Carolyn has been since marathon weekend 03:40 - how Stef has been 05:50 - Stef’s upcoming Spring race plans 09:25 - significance of how the marathon weekend overlapped with the 250th anniversary of the start of the Revolutionary War 10:35 - Boston Marathon Wreath Ceremony! 20:00 - Boston Marathon Expo! 24:50 - Stef getting to see the burial site of her 12th-great-ancestor, who was one of the original settlers of the United States 42:00 - BAA 5K and the 26.True Marathon 58:10 - lululemon Shakeout Run 1:02:40 - why we visited the New England Aquarium 1:07:50 - Carolyn’s morbid pre-marathon tradition 1:15:50 - Marathon Monday! 1:33:30 - our first SPONSOR announcement! Links: Pen & Paces code MAKINGSTRIDES for 20% off Find Stef ⁠⁠⁠here⁠⁠⁠ Find Carolyn ⁠⁠⁠here⁠⁠⁠ and ⁠⁠⁠here⁠⁠⁠

    1 ч. 38 мин.

  5. 29.04.2025

    Episode 20 - Where Do We Go From Here? (part 2)

    “We are teaching and showing the next generation that our democracy is important and that it is worth fighting for.” In this episode, we wrestle with how to continue carrying on in running and racing, while also staying informed and taking action amidst the uncertain and scary times. We are still asking,  “where do we go from here?” Carolyn shares about what it was like for her to bring her family to a local protest-rally and how it gave her hope. She and Stef also talk about how change will require all of us to take on risk. As we prepped for the whirlwind of the Boston Marathon weekend, we did so in recognition of how it is truly a privilege to get to run and to race with the freedoms we have.  We are so grateful for your presence here in this sport! Remember that you are not alone, and thanks for being here. #Keepshowingup and keep making strides in being the change we wish to see. Special thanks to our Audio Engineer, ⁠⁠Mark Kalagayan⁠⁠, from the non-profit, ⁠⁠SPARC Worldwide⁠⁠. The Making Strides Podcast is about building representation and about changing the ways we expect ourselves and others to show up in the running world. If you enjoy this convo, please share about us with your friends! Of course, we always appreciate you subscribing and leaving a positive rating and review. #MakingStridesPod #letsFlippindothis #diversewerun Show Notes: 01:05 - plans for the Boston Marathon weekend! 02:40 - this year’s plans with the 26.True Marathon 07:00 - Carolyn’s current perspective and routine in running and exercise 08:30 - Stef’s recent trip to Arizona with GU Energy Labs and what she gained from her time with the people there 24:40 - the ‘Hand’s Off’ Rally in Boston, and Carolyn’s experience bringing her family to participate 45:30 - “We all have to risk something, in order to make meaningful change.” 46:30 - where are we finding hope Additional Links: support the Denver Gay Men's Chorus

    57 мин.

  6. 12.04.2025

    Episode 19 - Where Do We Go From Here? (part 1)

    “This is bigger than democrat or republican; we’re all connected. This is about taking care of each other and about the promises we’ve made to each other.” This was an emotionally heavy episode, though we spend the first half talking about our new hobbies (aka, our coping mechanisms). As policies and politics continue to impact our lives, we have been asking the questions, “where do we go from here? How do we move forward?” If you’re also feeling the weight of current events in our nation right now, we hope you know you are not alone. We hope that you are taking actions to take care of yourself, as well as to care for your community. As Stef says in this episode, “we agreed to take care of each other and to have and preserve freedoms here," and for as long as it takes, we will keep doing so, however we can. We are grateful for you all! #Keepshowingup and keep making strides in being the change we wish to see. Special thanks to our Audio Engineer, ⁠⁠Mark Kalagayan⁠⁠, from the non-profit, ⁠⁠SPARC Worldwide⁠⁠. The Making Strides Podcast is about building representation and about changing the ways we expect ourselves and others to show up in the running world. If you enjoy this convo, please share about us with your friends! Of course, we always your subscribing and leaving a positive rating and review. #MakingStridesPod #letsFlippindothis #diversewerun Show Notes: 01:15 - Carolyn’s new hobby 14:20 - Stef’s current relationship with running 33:50 - the current state of the nation and its impact on our mental health and wellness 49:20 - Stef’s reflections on the Bernie & AOC rally in Denver Find Stef ⁠⁠⁠here⁠⁠⁠ Find Carolyn ⁠⁠⁠here⁠⁠⁠ and ⁠⁠⁠here⁠⁠⁠

    1 ч. 19 мин.

  7. 31.03.2025

    Episode 18 - Happy Women's History Month!

    “As someone who grew up in a time when girls were pitted against each other and seen as competition, I love that we’re in this era where, just being in each other’s corners is celebrated!” This is the GIVE HER FLOWERS episode! We talk about the women who inspire us, the women who have moved us to action, and the young women we are raising. In light of Women’s History Month (March) and in recognition of International Women’s Day (March 8th), we want to specifically thank every female here for all the ways you show up in your spheres of influence, everyday. We know that you do so while juggling the needs of those who depend on you and while navigating the various biases and stereotypes that others places upon you; and yet you continue to show up, day after day, with strength, courage, grace, and wisdom. We see you, and we celebrate you! As always, we are so grateful that all of you are here in this space, in the sport, and in this world! #Keepshowingup and keep making strides in being the change we wish to see! Special thanks to our Audio Engineer, ⁠⁠Mark Kalagayan⁠⁠, from the non-profit, ⁠⁠SPARC Worldwide⁠⁠. The Making Strides Podcast is about building representation and about changing the ways we expect ourselves and others to show up in the running world. If you enjoy this convo please share about us with your friends! And of course, we would appreciate you subscribing and leaving a rating and review. #MakingStridesPod #letsFlippindothis #diversewerun Show Notes: 00:45 - Happy International Women’s Day! What does Women’s History Month mean to you? 02:50 - flowers for everyone 06:15 - Joy and Jo Banner, sisters who are reclaiming American history through the Descendants Project 13:40 - the legacy of Connie Chung, who broke barriers for women and Asian Americans in journalism and news broadcasting  17:20 - the advocacy and representation led by NCAA runner, Ali Upshaw, of Northern Arizona University 27:35 - the realities of safety that we still deal with in running 42:15 - looking to build up the next generation of young women Links: The Descendants Project (IG) Connie: A Memoir, by Connie Chung Ali Upshaw (IG) Raising Worry-Free Girls, by Sissy Goff Liz Rock (IG), co-founder of the TrailBlazHers Ashley Mitchell (IG), founder of The Courage Campaign Find Stef ⁠⁠⁠here⁠⁠⁠ Find Carolyn ⁠⁠⁠here⁠⁠⁠ and ⁠⁠⁠here⁠⁠⁠

    53 мин.
  8. Episode 17 - Running and Defiance

    07.03.2025

    Episode 17 - Running and Defiance

    “We want to believe that, when seeing harm being done, we will rise to the level of our expectations, but the reality is, most of us will fall to the level of our training.” - Stefanie In this episode, Carolyn and Stef talk about Stef’s newest addition to the family (spoiler: she has four paws and gives lots of kisses!), Carolyn’s new fitness endeavors, and the intersection of race, politics, and running.  “As women who are also People of Color, there is no way we can separate politics from running or from life. All of our lives are affected by policy.” - Carolyn It’s a conversation you don’t want to miss! We are so grateful you’re here in this space, in the sport, and in this world! #Keepshowingup and keep making strides in being the change we wish to see! Special thanks to our Audio Engineer, ⁠⁠Mark Kalagayan⁠⁠, from the non-profit, ⁠⁠SPARC Worldwide⁠⁠. The Making Strides Podcast is about building representation and about changing the ways we expect ourselves and others to show up in the running world. We hope you enjoy this convo (take us with you on your next run!), and if you do, please subscribe and leave a rating and review! #MakingStridesPod #letsFlippindothis #diversewerun Show Notes: 00:15 - Stef’s new family addition! 11:00 - Carolyn’s foray into OrangeTheory Fitness! 21:45 - thoughts on the current running boom 28:10 - the audiobook, James, by Percival Everett 31:15 - connection to Ra’Shaude Kenney, the co-founder of the Space City Elite Running Team, and his experience as a Black runner 33:00 - the stigma of running 39:30 - the book, Defy: the Power of No in a World That Demands Yes, by Sunita Sat 47:30 - the consequences and cost of defiance that Carolyn experienced, speaking up with Tracksmith Running 55:20 - Stef’s example of struggling with defiance, while practicing medicine Links: James, by Percival Everett (also available here) Audiobook version (which Carolyn highly recommends!) Ra’Shaude Kenney’s story on the 26.2 Foundation Defy: The Power of No in a World That Demands Yes, by Sunita Sah (also available here) Find Stef ⁠⁠⁠here⁠⁠⁠ Find Carolyn ⁠⁠⁠here⁠⁠⁠ and ⁠⁠⁠here⁠⁠⁠

    1 ч. 1 мин.
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‘Making Strides’ is a space to share the experiences of underrepresented and marginalized communities in the sport of running. Join Stefanie Flippin and Carolyn Su in discussions on navigating microaggressions and policing, sponsorship negotiations, mental health, current events, and more. We hope this podcast serves to fill in the gaps of what might not typically be covered in running industry media, and we hope that through our conversations here, we can be a safe space for learning and a launching pad for making the sport more equitable and inclusive for everyone.

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  • Автор
    Stefanie Flippin and Carolyn Su
  • Годы выхода
    2023 - 2025
  • Выпуски
    24
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