Masking For It

Masking for it by SNOWE Ltd

A podcast born from clinical insight and lived experience. From invisible to undeniable: join us to explore the world of high-masking neurodivergent adults. In 2018, Clinical Psychologist - Lesley Taylor, Speech Therapist - Gail Kane and their patient - Alexandra Greening, came together in the clinic and found a startling gap: adult presentations of Autism, ADHD, and PDA, particularly in women, were poorly understood and poorly supported. Conversations that began as clinical follow-ups grew into long-term collaboration, transforming Alexandra from patient to peer - pooling academic, anthropological and epigenetic research with clinical practice and the sharp clarity of lived experience. We want to make the conversation LOUDER and we want you to join us! With an array of Guests, we explore the lived reality of people who mask extensively - including the cost to identity and mental health whilst access to diagnosis and understanding of neurodivergence remains problematic, and the systemic change needed across education, work and healthcare. We dispel myths and confront stereotypes that deny correct diagnosis and worsen the national mental health crisis, unemployment rates, and school to prison pipeline. This isn't for the 'minority' - this affects society as a whole, so we invite everyone to listen and take action with us.

Episodes

  1. 12/02/2025

    The One Where We Tackle Therapy

    Alexandra, Lesley and Gail explore the complexities of therapy for neurodivergent individuals, emphasizing the importance of understanding identity, being aware of differences in communication, and the need for tailored therapeutic approaches. The speakers discuss the significance of energy management, the risks of misdiagnosis, and the necessity of finding the right therapist who understands neurodivergence. Alexandra explains how understanding your neurotype allows for more success with self care strategies, and Lesley and Gail tell us why compassion-based therapies can be more effective for neurodivergent individuals than CBT. Masking For It advocates for acceptance and self-advocacy, highlighting that therapy should focus on personal growth rather than fixing perceived deficits. Chapters 00:00 Introduction and Context Setting 04:03 Understanding Neurodivergent Therapy 09:30 The Importance of Identity in Therapy 13:36 Communication Challenges in Therapy 15:03 Understanding Humour and Masking in Autism 17:44 The Importance of Diagnosis and Self-Awareness 20:50 Energy Accounting and Its Impact on Well-Being 24:26 Misdiagnosis: Trauma vs. Neurodivergence 27:28 Celebrating Neurodivergence and Finding Balance 32:40 The Role of Executive Function in Therapy 35:48 Finding the Right Therapy for Neurodivergent Individuals 43:42 Reassurance and Acceptance in Therapy 45:02 Thank Yous 45:31 Contact Us 45:57 Outro Help is available and we advise you speak to your GP or Psychological Clinician if you have been affected by any of the subject matter in this conversation, or would just like to know more about finding some support. Some other resources can be found at: The National Autistic Society https://www.autism.org.uk/ Mind https://www.mind.org.uk/ For urgent support Call NHS: 111 For text based support text: SHOUT to 85258 Or to speak to a specialist about diagnosis or ongoing support: https://spectrumnorthwest.org/

    46 min
  2. Halloween Special: The One Where Being Different Can Be Deadly - Or Magical

    10/30/2025

    Halloween Special: The One Where Being Different Can Be Deadly - Or Magical

    In this Halloween Special, Alexandra, Lesley & Gail beckon you to join their Coven as they explore the intersection of neurodivergence and historical perceptions of women and witchcraft. They discuss how societal fears of difference led to the persecution of individuals, in this case, particularly women, who do not necessarily meet social norms. They draw parallels between historical witch hunts and the modern-day stigma, and barriers, faced by neurodivergent individuals, emphasizing the need for understanding, kindness, and community support. Their discussion highlights the importance of celebrating differences and learning from history to create a more inclusive society. Chapters 00:00 Witchcraft and the Role of Power 02:05 The Impact of Fear on Society 04:40 Neurodivergence and Historical Parallels 07:16 The Psychology of Fear and Othering 11:19 The Historical Context of Othering 12:14 Fear of Difference and Conformity 13:38 The Impact of Labels and Stigmas 14:06 School Dynamics and Pack Mentality 16:23 Historical Perceptions of Danger 18:07 Women, Knowledge, and Vulnerability 19:31 The Role of Women in Society 21:04 Language and Gendered Perceptions 23:17 Systemic Issues and Change 24:36 Rituals, Wellbeing, and Neurodivergence 26:40 Modern Witchcraft and Community 30:51 The Future of Neurodivergence Acceptance 32:12 Empathy, Kindness, and Systemic Change 35:39 Thank you 36:09 Get in touch 36:34 Outro

    37 min
  3. 10/21/2025

    The One Where We Decode Diagnosis - Part One

    The first of a special trilogy introducing the diagnostic process, from both sides of the experience, in preparation for Masking For It's upcoming feature episodes: The Diagnosis Diaries. With widespread discussion surrounding assessment and Autism and ADHD diagnoses on the rise (with some being told there is a 10+ year waiting list!), we want to familiarise people with the process and highlight some of the pros and cons of the current tools and systems we're working within. Alexandra, Lesley and Gail also take a look at the evolution of our understanding around neurodivergent conditions and mental health, giving perspective of just how much what we know is in its infancy, and identifying how easy it has been for outdated stereotypes to stick...as they emphasise that conversation and research around neurodivergence must keep evolving if the systems in place for diagnosis are to catch up with the reality of these neurotypes as different, not deficient. Don't forget to tune in for the following two parts, for some more deeply personal revelations, as well as the dissection of the elements that make up the tools which have been introduced to you in this episode. There's so much to unpack and we're thrilled you've joined us, so we can make it make sense and work out the next steps we need - together. Books mentioned: The Psychopath Tests - Jon Ronson Neurotribes - Steve Silberman Chapters 00:00 Introduction and Personal Updates 04:43 Understanding Neurodivergence and Systems 09:18 Exploring the DSM-5 and Diagnostic Criteria 13:33 The Evolution of Diagnostic Labels 17:40 Neurodivergence and Identity 28:04 Understanding the Stigma of Autism vs. ADHD 32:30 Navigating the Spectrum: High-Masking and Its Challenges 38:38 Thank You 39:07 Contact Details 39:31 Outro Get in touch: Socials - @maskingforitpodcast Email - contact@maskingforit.com Website - www.maskingforit.com

    40 min

About

A podcast born from clinical insight and lived experience. From invisible to undeniable: join us to explore the world of high-masking neurodivergent adults. In 2018, Clinical Psychologist - Lesley Taylor, Speech Therapist - Gail Kane and their patient - Alexandra Greening, came together in the clinic and found a startling gap: adult presentations of Autism, ADHD, and PDA, particularly in women, were poorly understood and poorly supported. Conversations that began as clinical follow-ups grew into long-term collaboration, transforming Alexandra from patient to peer - pooling academic, anthropological and epigenetic research with clinical practice and the sharp clarity of lived experience. We want to make the conversation LOUDER and we want you to join us! With an array of Guests, we explore the lived reality of people who mask extensively - including the cost to identity and mental health whilst access to diagnosis and understanding of neurodivergence remains problematic, and the systemic change needed across education, work and healthcare. We dispel myths and confront stereotypes that deny correct diagnosis and worsen the national mental health crisis, unemployment rates, and school to prison pipeline. This isn't for the 'minority' - this affects society as a whole, so we invite everyone to listen and take action with us.