Mess Makes Meaning

Joy and Raenelle
  • 5.0 (15)
  • Christianity
  • Updated Weekly

Caring for young children's spirituality is a delicate balance and can often be made more difficult when we grown-ups don't care for ourselves. Struggling through religious or church related trauma or even feelings of inadequacy when it comes to answering our children's big questions. At Mess Makes Meaning we are here to equip the parents/caregivers to remind them and their children they are deeply loved by interviewing some guests who are professionals in this vital work. With relatable humor from hosts and guests alike, this podcast is for you and created by Godly Play®  

  1. 6d ago

    Empathy VS Compassion with Dr. Noga Zerubavel

    Join Joy and Raenelle as they interview Dr. Noga Zerubavel (Find her incredible Bio Here) on the differences between empathy and compassion and how they can make a difference for parents and caregivers doing their best to support their children.  Takeaways Empathy involves sharing in another's pain, activating the same neural networks as personal pain. Compassion is a concern that motivates action to alleviate suffering, distinct from empathy. Excessive empathy can lead to empathic strain, which causes withdrawal and disconnection. Practicing compassion can replenish emotional resources and prevent burnout. Modeling compassion teaches children resilience and kindness without emotional overload. Mess Makes Meaning is a podcast about making meaning in the messy and beautiful journey of parenting. Hosted by Joy Studer and Raenelle Tauro, we explore children’s spirituality, wonder, story, rhythm, and play—and the ways we can nurture our children’s spiritual lives in the midst of ordinary, everyday moments. Follow Mess Makes Meaning wherever you listen to podcasts, and join us as we make meaning together.

  2. Jul 1

    Attunement Over Achievement with Ruth Lin Nakai

    In a world that constantly measures our worth by what we accomplish, how do we learn to slow down and listen to what is happening within us? This week on Mess Makes Meaning, Joy and Raenelle welcome spiritual director Ruth Lin Nakai for a thoughtful conversation about rest, creativity, faith, and the courage to live beyond productivity. Together, they explore why so many parents and caregivers find themselves exhausted even when they are getting enough sleep, the difference between achievement and attunement, and how silence, play, and wonder can reconnect us to ourselves, our children, and God. Ruth invites us to consider that our spiritual lives are not problems to solve but sacred processes to tend. Through stories, gentle wisdom, and practical encouragement, she offers a compassionate invitation to notice what makes us come alive, embrace rest as a sacred practice, and create space for delight in the midst of busy lives. Whether you are feeling overwhelmed, stretched thin, or simply longing for a more spacious way of being, this conversation offers a breath of fresh air and a reminder that you do not have to earn your worth through productivity. Join us as we explore what it means to choose attunement over achievement and discover the freedom to simply be. Mess Makes Meaning is a podcast about making meaning in the messy and beautiful journey of parenting. Hosted by Joy Studer and Raenelle Tauro, we explore children’s spirituality, wonder, story, rhythm, and play—and the ways we can nurture our children’s spiritual lives in the midst of ordinary, everyday moments. Follow Mess Makes Meaning wherever you listen to podcasts, and join us as we make meaning together.

  3. May 1

    Summer Blessing with Joy and Raenelle

    As your fellow parents in this messy yet meaningful journey, we understand and notice how stressful the last month has been for so many. As we all enter into summer, may we take a moment to slow down and simply "be".  Enjoy this Summer Blessing. Mess Makes Meaning is a podcast about making meaning in the messy and beautiful journey of parenting. Hosted by Joy Studer and Raenelle Tauro, we explore children’s spirituality, wonder, story, rhythm, and play—and the ways we can nurture our children’s spiritual lives in the midst of ordinary, everyday moments. Follow Mess Makes Meaning wherever you listen to podcasts, and join us as we make meaning together.

  4. May 1

    Talking with Children about Violence, Fear, and Peace with Hannah Rose Martin

    A sometimes difficult subject, discussing the harsh realities of violence in our world, Joy and Raenelle talk with Hannah Rose Martin, one of the founders of RAWtools and the co-author of Sparking Peace. Learn more about this incredible organization and the beautiful movement of transformation, lifting the importance of language, honesty, and hope. Mess Makes Meaning is a podcast about making meaning in the messy and beautiful journey of parenting. Hosted by Joy Studer and Raenelle Tauro, we explore children’s spirituality, wonder, story, rhythm, and play—and the ways we can nurture our children’s spiritual lives in the midst of ordinary, everyday moments. Follow Mess Makes Meaning wherever you listen to podcasts, and join us as we make meaning together.

  5. Apr 1

    Connection Through Play with Child Life Specialist Brittany Luther

    In this episode of Mess Makes Meaning, hosts Joy Studer and Raenelle Tauro explore the meaning we can find in the messiness of play, and how children use play as a powerful language for processing life’s deepest joys, questions, and challenges. Joy opens the conversation by reflecting on the heart of the podcast—making meaning out of messy and beautiful life while nurturing children’s spirituality through wonder, story, rhythm, and play. Raenelle introduces today’s focus on play and the ways it helps children communicate and make sense of their inner worlds. Their guest, Brittany Luther, a Certified Child Life Specialist with nearly 20 years of experience working with infants, children, adolescents, and families in hospital settings—including emergency care and oncology—joins the conversation to share her expertise on the role of play in healing and connection. Together, they explore what a child life specialist does and how play becomes a vital tool for helping children express what they cannot always put into words. Brittany reflects on what first drew her to this work and how she came to understand play as a language for healing, especially in medical environments where children are navigating fear, grief, and uncertainty. The conversation also turns toward caregivers themselves—how adults can stay grounded while witnessing a child’s pain, how to care for their own emotional wellbeing, and what it means to be a “conduit” rather than a container for others’ experiences. Brittany offers gentle, practical ways for parents and caregivers to check in with themselves and remain present without becoming overwhelmed. Finally, the group discusses how parents can foster meaningful play at home—not as therapy, but as connection—and how families can use play to move through grief, suffering, and existential questions together. The episode closes with a blessing from Brittany, offering words of care and encouragement for all who are walking alongside children through both joy and struggle. Mess Makes Meaning is a podcast about making meaning in the messy and beautiful journey of parenting. Hosted by Joy Studer and Raenelle Tauro, we explore children’s spirituality, wonder, story, rhythm, and play—and the ways we can nurture our children’s spiritual lives in the midst of ordinary, everyday moments. Follow Mess Makes Meaning wherever you listen to podcasts, and join us as we make meaning together.

  6. Mar 1

    "Wonder" with Meredith Miller

    In this episode of Mess Makes Meaning, hosts Joy and Raenelle welcome back Meredith Miller, a pastor and author, to discuss her new book 'Wonder: 52 Conversations to Help Kids Fall in Love with Scripture '. The conversation explores the importance of nurturing children's spirituality through presence, storytelling, and curiosity. Meredith emphasizes the shift from being an expert to a guide in faith formation, encouraging parents to engage with their children's questions and doubts in the form of curiosity, not perfection. The discussion also highlights the significance of God-centered storytelling and how it can help children navigate difficult biblical narratives. Ultimately, the episode offers practical insights for parents to foster a deeper connection with their children's spiritual journeys. Check out Meredith's newest book TODAY!  Wonder: 52 Conversations to Help Kids Fall in Love with Scripture  Mess Makes Meaning is a podcast about making meaning in the messy and beautiful journey of parenting. Hosted by Joy Studer and Raenelle Tauro, we explore children’s spirituality, wonder, story, rhythm, and play—and the ways we can nurture our children’s spiritual lives in the midst of ordinary, everyday moments. Follow Mess Makes Meaning wherever you listen to podcasts, and join us as we make meaning together.

  7. Feb 1

    "Sacred Parenthood" with Aizaiah and Nereyda Yong

    Joy and Raenelle have a wonderful conversation with Rev. Dr. Aizaiah Yong and Rev. Nereyda (Neddy) Yong about their book, "Sacred Parenthood: Spiritual Practices for the HIGHS and LOWS of Parenting".  Find the book HERE "Authors and life partners Aizaiah G. Yong and Nereyda Yong contend that social healing and world peace start at home. As the parents of four young children in an interracial and intercultural family, they offer stories and spiritual practices for the inner and communal lives of parents in a beautifully diverse world. Sacred Parenthood invites readers into creative spiritual expression in everyday family life. We can find new ways to hold the vulnerable lives around us with a bit more tenderness. As we do so, we can experience anew the gift and sacredness of parenting." Mess Makes Meaning is a podcast about making meaning in the messy and beautiful journey of parenting. Hosted by Joy Studer and Raenelle Tauro, we explore children’s spirituality, wonder, story, rhythm, and play—and the ways we can nurture our children’s spiritual lives in the midst of ordinary, everyday moments. Follow Mess Makes Meaning wherever you listen to podcasts, and join us as we make meaning together.

  8. Jan 1

    "God Didn't Make Us to Hate Us" with Rev. Lizzie

    Welcome, Reverend Lizzie, to Mess Makes Meaning as she discusses parents and caregivers' journey of deconstructing/reconstructing while caring for our children's spirituality.   Reverend Lizzie McManus-Dail, author of "God Didn't Make Us to Hate Us," is the vicar of Jubilee Episcopal Church in Austin, Texas. She has been using her social media platforms to unravel toxic theology and reveal the abiding love of a joyful God. Rev. Lizzie lives with her husband, Rev. Jonathan, and their two beloved daughters, who are often found on Rev. Lizzie’s hip or underfoot while she preaches.  Mess Makes Meaning is a podcast about making meaning in the messy and beautiful journey of parenting. Hosted by Joy Studer and Raenelle Tauro, we explore children’s spirituality, wonder, story, rhythm, and play—and the ways we can nurture our children’s spiritual lives in the midst of ordinary, everyday moments. Follow Mess Makes Meaning wherever you listen to podcasts, and join us as we make meaning together.

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5
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15 Ratings

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Caring for young children's spirituality is a delicate balance and can often be made more difficult when we grown-ups don't care for ourselves. Struggling through religious or church related trauma or even feelings of inadequacy when it comes to answering our children's big questions. At Mess Makes Meaning we are here to equip the parents/caregivers to remind them and their children they are deeply loved by interviewing some guests who are professionals in this vital work. With relatable humor from hosts and guests alike, this podcast is for you and created by Godly Play®  

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  • Creator
    Joy and Raenelle
  • Years Active
    2023 - 2026
  • Episodes
    35
  • Rating
    Clean
  • Copyright
    © 2026 Mess Makes Meaning
  • Show Website
    Mess Makes Meaning

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