Mocktails Or Messy

Ryan Frankowski & Kelly Mizgorski

We've had a messy past and we'd liked to talk about. We're talking about the debauchery and the train wrecks 🤪  that led us to get out of the cycles we get stuck in 🙏 .  Let's have happy 🥂 hour with mocktails, accompanied by traditional cocktails. Hosts, Ryan & Kelly explore the world of non-alcoholic innovative mocktail beverages and dive deep into finding the best brands on the market with a taste test to compare it to the real-deal cocktail. Kelly is a drinker and Ryan is a Mocktail'er. After a hiatus of 10 years these Ex's who couldn't  stand each lived in different cities, now have reconnected back in their hometown. Kelly got married 💒  to Ryan's best friend, another Polish-American 🇵🇱 "Ryan" wtf. Now these untraditional  friends Kelly & Ryan revisit college times, their messy 20's, pre & post children, describing the  unforgettable moments such as troubles with the law. Now in their 30s, they blend  past with present including Ryan's new journey of 5 months completely dry of everything. Ryan been taking a pause from the sauce + green. Kelly’s comedic escapades as a fun-loving mom continues to enjoys her wine 🍷  nights. They team up to get messy with their interviews indulging in drinks while laughing with drinkers and non-drinkers alike, all over some innovative Mocktails or even the real deal C**k 🍸 . Will you be drinking "Mocktails" OR "Messy" cocktail? No judgment either way Ryan the "Dry Bi Guy" wants to prove to the curious ones, that having a mocktail in a fancy glass + garnish 🍃 , you can get that "Placebo Effect Tipsy" feeling.  Of course you would want to be accompanied by your wild, fun drinking friends such as Kelly the "Mistful 🚿 Mrs. Messy".  Whether you’re sober-curious, a mindful drinker, a messy boozehound (no judgments) or just looking for a laugh, we’re here to get MESSY with a NEW happy 🍻  hour experience for everyone! So, grab a drink—alcoholic or Mock—and get ready for a wild, sexy, hilarious , yet mindful ride with “Mocktails Or Messy”! 🍸/🤪 Let's  relive the good old or MESSY days.

  1. FEB 4

    #62: I Got Sober While Building a Wine Company

    A blackout, a parked car, and the sentence that rewired everything with Jason B. Grant of Medici Importers Global. “You’re never going to be alone again.” That line broke through the static in Jason B. Grant’s head and marked the final day he wanted to drink. From there, everything changed, his purpose, his business, and his peace. We sit with Jason, a five-plus-year sober entrepreneur who runs Medici Importers Global, to unpack what it really takes to rewire a life. He explains why he never had “just a drinking problem,” but a thinking problem, and how metacognition—stepping outside your thought to ask why it’s there—became his everyday tool. We dig into the food-and-beverage grind, the spiritual experience that ended cravings, and the surprising edge sobriety gave him curating wines by aroma and story. He talks boundaries in dating, recognizing the moment people “switch,” and how to leave without apology. You’ll also hear a clear, practical meditation routine that delivers a better high than any buzz: harmony between thoughts and actions. We explore culture shifts, Gen Z cutting back, mocktails rising while being honest about triggers, sugar bombs, and why some non-alcoholic spirits can pull you toward old patterns. Jason shares a cautionary tale about a “virgin” drink that wasn’t and why venues must protect newcomers. Through it all runs a throughline of service, presence, and language used precisely to tell the truth. If you’re sober, sober curious, or simply ready to stop letting your thoughts run you, this conversation offers tools you can use today: pause in the moment, ask the harder question, and choose again. Subscribe, share with a friend who needs hope, and leave a review with the one mindset shift you’re taking into your week. Send us a text Mocktails Or Messy podcast IG: @mocktailsormessy | TikTok: @mockmess Watch | YouTube Mocktails Or Messy Listen | Apple, Spotify, or wherever you listen to podcasts. Featured | #11 of Best Local Podcasts: FeedSpot

    1h 8m
  2. JAN 28

    #61: Jonathan Anzaldi | Dreamers, Discipline, And Doing The Work

    What if the hustle finally felt aligned? We sit down with personal trainer and accountability coach Jonathan Ryan Anzaldi to unpack how two lifelong dreamers traded New York’s weekend warrior cycle for a sustainable blend of strength, clarity, and self-made momentum. From first jobs and comparison traps to Laguna Beach mornings and a thriving coaching business, this is a honest look at reinvention, friendship, and the habits that stick. Jonathan opens up about rejecting the nine-to-five, building a single-person brand through social media, and turning a quarantine ghost kitchen into a six-figure win without compromising quality. We get practical about fitness after 30—why strength training beats aesthetic chasing, how to program push, pull, squat, hinge, carry, and press, and what realistic progress looks like when life gets busy. On nutrition, Jonathan’s Italian roots shine: imported pasta over ultra-processed options, portion control over restriction, and flavor-forward tweaks that keep you consistent. Accountability coaching ties it together with clear plans, macro awareness, and permission to enjoy the foods you love. We also go deep on sobriety as a keystone habit. Honest conversations, hard boundaries, and long-term support reshaped finances, skin, sleep, and focus. Friendship plays a defining role—calling out the truth with care, riding out messy seasons, and celebrating growth without judgment. If you’re navigating a career pivot, craving a calmer nervous system, or ready to build routines that compound, you’ll find practical, human advice you can use today. Want guided structure to start strong? Jonathan is offering $100 off his eight-week strength training program with code mocktails at thatsalu life.com. If this conversation gave you a spark, follow the show, share it with a friend who’s reinventing, and leave a quick review so more people can find it. Send us a text Mocktails Or Messy podcast IG: @mocktailsormessy | TikTok: @mockmess Watch | YouTube Mocktails Or Messy Listen | Apple, Spotify, or wherever you listen to podcasts. Featured | #11 of Best Local Podcasts: FeedSpot

    53 min

Ratings & Reviews

4.4
out of 5
7 Ratings

About

We've had a messy past and we'd liked to talk about. We're talking about the debauchery and the train wrecks 🤪  that led us to get out of the cycles we get stuck in 🙏 .  Let's have happy 🥂 hour with mocktails, accompanied by traditional cocktails. Hosts, Ryan & Kelly explore the world of non-alcoholic innovative mocktail beverages and dive deep into finding the best brands on the market with a taste test to compare it to the real-deal cocktail. Kelly is a drinker and Ryan is a Mocktail'er. After a hiatus of 10 years these Ex's who couldn't  stand each lived in different cities, now have reconnected back in their hometown. Kelly got married 💒  to Ryan's best friend, another Polish-American 🇵🇱 "Ryan" wtf. Now these untraditional  friends Kelly & Ryan revisit college times, their messy 20's, pre & post children, describing the  unforgettable moments such as troubles with the law. Now in their 30s, they blend  past with present including Ryan's new journey of 5 months completely dry of everything. Ryan been taking a pause from the sauce + green. Kelly’s comedic escapades as a fun-loving mom continues to enjoys her wine 🍷  nights. They team up to get messy with their interviews indulging in drinks while laughing with drinkers and non-drinkers alike, all over some innovative Mocktails or even the real deal C**k 🍸 . Will you be drinking "Mocktails" OR "Messy" cocktail? No judgment either way Ryan the "Dry Bi Guy" wants to prove to the curious ones, that having a mocktail in a fancy glass + garnish 🍃 , you can get that "Placebo Effect Tipsy" feeling.  Of course you would want to be accompanied by your wild, fun drinking friends such as Kelly the "Mistful 🚿 Mrs. Messy".  Whether you’re sober-curious, a mindful drinker, a messy boozehound (no judgments) or just looking for a laugh, we’re here to get MESSY with a NEW happy 🍻  hour experience for everyone! So, grab a drink—alcoholic or Mock—and get ready for a wild, sexy, hilarious , yet mindful ride with “Mocktails Or Messy”! 🍸/🤪 Let's  relive the good old or MESSY days.